Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[wdisney9000]

You can always start.
Create a youtube channel and your own blog.. then open your wallet to TWDC.
If a "mommy blogger" of less than 100 views can get such support from TWDC.. I'm pretty sure that other people can get in too(and probably with way better results).

Ya, it only costs you your dignity and ability to objectively view your favorite vacation destination. Lol. That's worth a few free meals and a button for parking your car first at a new garage!

 

[Cesar R M]

button for parking your car first at a new garage!

I remember this.!

 

[danlb_2000]

Many understand Frozen was inspired by Norway. They just don't agree turning the pavilion of a real country into a fictional one....

Yeah, but he likes to pretend that no one understands that, he brings it up every time we have this debate.

 

[Phicinfan]

You instantly lost points for 3 something very important parts:
A)You instantly went into the defensive.
B) yet didn't get my comment.
C) You outright went to insult me like a spoiled child.

To explain:
There is a HUGE difference between "happy and satisfied" and rabid fanboyism.

The happy and Satisfied will say how they were happy with X thing and they will say they got something good.

Rabid fanboyism in the other hand.. (or a lifestyler); will ramble, attack, lie, disregard and ignore ANYTHING WRONG that happens with their favourite product/company (regardless if the place is falling apart or the product was beyond mediocre). And will defend the product/company like their life depended on it.
Also in some cases.. they HAVE to do this, because they are PAID (or they get POINTS) by the company they defend(like some bloggers who get free stuff).

one is logical, the other is completely bonkers illogical and bat crazy insane.
and trust me, we've had plenty of the second type.

Also, thanks for confirming you own Disney Stock.

No, I answered your questions.
yes that is why I don't consider myself as a lifestyler, Fanboy...as I am not everything Disney does is great. I do believe if you actually read more of my posts, you would see where I acknowledge everyone's point of view, I just don't agree with the "purist" angle. As pointed out above by one, WS is a shopping mall, not a real representative world site.

That being said, we all can agree to disagree. I for one HOPE beyond HOPE that they do this right, that the ride is fixed, and done with real zeal, and makes it a draw for more folks, and this is the first step in money invested to improve this park. Fixing Innovations and fixing Imagination would help, but if all we get is one more Soarin theater and the M&G and Frozen Flume ride...they missed a huge opportunity.

 

[wdisney9000]

I for one HOPE beyond HOPE that they do this right,

Doing it "right" would have meant CREATING a new ride in MK. They started out wrong and your hopes were dashed the moment Norway pavilion was targeted.

 

[spacemt354]

I dont think WS was ever intended to be an educational journey through countries. Its a "showcase" to display a culture and its history. All of the pavilions are stereotypical representations of their countries. Pick any pavilion and you can apply what you said about Norway. Germany isnt actual beer stands, buffets, and candy shops. Mexico isnt tequila bars and dining with volcanoes in the distance. You dont see fife and drum corps in the USA. But at least these stereo types were truly "inspired" by the culture, not an animated film.

I agree that anyone who walks away from one of the pavilions feeling they know everything they need to know about that country is just plain wrong. And yes, they are window dressings for F&B/retail sales but they have a cohesive theme. Many people have walked around WS and not bought anything. Its a great environment to be in. Its different than MK, HS, and AK. The more they add fantasy to it, it just blurs the lines. I sincerely respect your views and your post was based in reality and not just grasping at straws to explain why Frozen is great. I thank your sir, for making a valid rebuttal.

I disagree that WS wasn't ever intended to be an educational journey through the countries. For many years I believe it was actually. It was a classy environment where people could sit down, have a nice dinner and be immersed in the country. Education doesn't mean that they are sitting in a classroom and taking notes on each nation. It could be as simply as learning some of the language from a native, or learning about the culture from the entertainment options (that have been diminished) The American Adventure is great. Some of the 360 shows are good too. That used to be the focus in my view.

The reality of WS now though is much different. The average guest doesn't see 11 countries to learn from. The average guest sees 11 bars to drink at and a few character M&Gs/Kiddie fun spots for the kids to occupy themselves while the adults drink some more.

I think that's the sad reality of our times, and I think Disney has simply bought into this as a cop out to being unique and different. Instead of a classy and somewhat educational experience, Disney is catering to bar hopping and ignoring cultural values.

To clarify, I'm not completely against the inclusion of characters. We usually stay in the Epcot resort area and walk in via the International Gateway. When we pass by the UK and see Mary Poppins, I have no problem with it. It's not out of context with the country, and it's done subtly as to not draw too much attention away from the country itself. Also while I preferred El Rio del Tiempo, the Donald ride is not too bad. It's not great, but that's about my limit of character inclusion in WS.

Frozen is on a whole other level. That's where I draw the line. You're taking an actual nation and expanding on it with a fictitious nation. I mean what next? If they ever build a 12th nation, I have to wonder whether or not it's going to be real or fake? Is that what World Showcase has come to?

 

[spacemt354]

Doing it "right" would have meant CREATING a new ride in MK. They started out wrong and your hopes were dashed the moment Norway pavilion was targeted.

MK or even DHS for that matter. Just not Norway my goodness. Pinocchio Village Haus is German however it's in MK Fantasyland, and not part of the German Pavilion. Not even characters in real nations are all in World Showcase.

But fake nations? Oh yeah those fit right in....

 

[JEANYLASER]

I'm still anxious to see some concept art for the ride also!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again, I get WS was not meant to be MK, nor any other park. I also get why those who love WS want this not to have happened. I also understand why some feel this is a rushed ride and just stuck somewhere, and thus won't be best quality. I get it. I just don't agree with it. I like change, I don't like status quo, status quo means stagnation, which most here feel has been happening in the parks. Adding some links to Disney IP to WS to help draw,and then hopefully give impetus to expand and add to Epcot can be a win/win.

A kick in the shin is a change in the status quo, but not many people would celebrate its occurrence.

 

[Brer Panther]

Frozen is on a whole other level. That's where I draw the line. You're taking an actual nation and expanding on it with a fictitious nation. I mean what next? If they ever build a 12th nation, I have to wonder whether or not it's going to be real or fake? Is that what World Showcase has come to?

Or, better yet, instead of building another nation, why don't they convert the other nations into fictional nations, too? Morocco could be replaced by Agrabah, with the only ride being a clone of the Magic Carpets from Adventureland and a meet-and-greet that takes up half the area! Germany could become the Kingdom of Corona from "Tangled"! And Japan could be converted into San Fransokyo... Oh wait, no, they'd never do that because Disney doesn't care about "Big Hero 6"!

 

[wdisney9000]

Adding some links to Disney IP to WS to help draw

Help draw what exactly? People away from MK or HS, people already in Epcot? This another excuse trotted out for some odd reason. Are you excited for a Frozen ride or are you excited for MK crowd control? Either way, more excuses is all I see.

 

[wdisney9000]

I'm still anxious to see some concept art for the ride also!

Of all the people in this thread that are in favor of the Frozen ride, I think you are by far the most honest and just have pure excitement for a movie you love. I really think thats awesome! Your the only one that makes sense to me and your excitement is great. I would truly love to the ride and enjoy new Frozen attraction with you.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

Many understand Frozen was inspired by Norway. They just don't agree turning the pavilion of a real country into a fictional one....

Yes. I understand that most people understand how Frozen was inspired by Norway. And some of those people think the Frozen ride where it is is a good idea and others do not. That's simply a difference of opinion and I have no issue with either of those viewpoints. It's the very few people who keep making the argument that the Frozen and Norway have nothing to do with each other that I find ridiculous.

And if you go back and look at the post that I made today, you will see it had nothing to do with this argument. Someone else decided to revist the issue.

 

[spacemt354]

I wasn't trying to revisit that conversation. I know that you and others do not see any connection whatsoever between Frozen and Norway. I accept that and have no reason to debate that with you again. My point was that Disney saw some sort of connection when they chose Norway as the location for this Frozen attraction.

If I was a betting man, based on Disney management logic the "connection" is a synonym for "cheapest" way to include frozen in the parks.

Look at what they did this summer at DHS with frozen and compare that to what's happening in Tokyo with frozen. Sinply two different management objectives.

They are really stretching the "connection"of a fictitious nation to an actual nation. And if you look beyond the propaganda, you'll see what's really going on.

 

[FigmentJedi]

And Japan could be converted into San Fransokyo... Oh wait, no, they'd never do that because Disney doesn't care about "Big Hero 6"!

I don't think they can get away with that period. San Fransokyo is officially just San Francisco in an alternate reality where Japanese immigrants lead the reconstruction efforts after the 1906 Earthquake and the resulting mixed architecture lead to a rename.

 

[Matt_Black]

I don't think they can get away with that period. San Fransokyo is officially just San Francisco in an alternate reality where Japanese immigrants lead the reconstruction efforts after the 1906 Earthquake and the resulting mixed architecture lead to a rename.

You put way too much thought into that little head-canon.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't think they can get away with that period. San Fransokyo is officially just San Francisco in an alternate reality where Japanese immigrants lead the reconstruction efforts after the 1906 Earthquake and the resulting mixed architecture lead to a rename.

So? Arendelle isn't in Norway either. San Fransokyo is INSPIRED by Japan.

 

[DisDan]

This thread could just go on forever. Because the FACT of the matter is both sides of this argument will never see eye-to-eye. There are just too many passionate feelings involved for any reasonable conclusion to this discussion/debate or whatever you want to call it. We can't simply agree to disagree because inevitably someone will comment on this project and another opinion will be shared and debated ad nauseam.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

They are really stretching the "connection"of a fictitious nation to an actual nation. And if you look beyond the propaganda, you'll see what's really going on.

Case in point.

 

[FigmentJedi]

You put way too much thought into that little head-canon.

Straight from the Art of Big Hero 6 and the novelization bro.

So? Arendelle isn't in Norway either. San Fransokyo is INSPIRED by Japan.

Arendelle is just fantasy Norway with a name that's just a mispelled version of an actual Norwegian town.