Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

flynnibus

flynnibus

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Sped2424 said:
The three caballero's aren't as popular as frozen. Therefore the negative attention on it is not as much. Even though to me the day that El río del tiempo became the grand fiesta tour was the day the world showcase had it's fate sealed.
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I think its largly the same. The attraction was pretty bad... people were upset about the loss of direction... but after the ride was done... IN ISOLATION... the ride is arguably an improvement. People move on.. the damage is done and the bad ride is still a bad ride that is marginally more enjoyable by the masses.

Here, I expect a similar outcome... a bad ride will be improved, that taken in ISOLATION will be seen as an improvement. Those that only care about the ride will not be bothered by the loss of cohesion of the pavilion. Just like a parent who wants their kids to meet Belle doesn't really consider what the damage her posse has done to the pavilion.

The damage is on the grander, slower scale... and most people only see what is right in front of their face. The grander pieces that make the sum of the whole better... are usually overlooked because they are not directly understood or recognized by guests.

Take something as simple as background music in the parks. We just expect that now and are generally blind to it's manipulative influences. Guests focused on just their own vacation don't have much interest in understanding the how/why... but someone who is interested in design or creative would be.

Disney is different than many entertainment businesses because there is such a large group of people interested in the 'how/why' vs simply those who consume.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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flynnibus said:
I think its largly the same. The attraction was pretty bad... people were upset about the loss of direction... but after the ride was done... IN ISOLATION... the ride is arguably an improvement. People move on.. the damage is done and the bad ride is still a bad ride that is marginally more enjoyable by the masses.

Here, I expect a similar outcome... a bad ride will be improved, that taken in ISOLATION will be seen as an improvement. Those that only care about the ride will not be bothered by the loss of cohesion of the pavilion. Just like a parent who wants their kids to meet Belle doesn't really consider what the damage her posse has done to the pavilion.

The damage is on the grander, slower scale... and most people only see what is right in front of their face. The grander pieces that make the sum of the whole better... are usually overlooked because they are not directly understood or recognized by guests.

Take something as simple as background music in the parks. We just expect that now and are generally blind to it's manipulative influences. Guests focused on just their own vacation don't have much interest in understanding the how/why... but someone who is interested in design or creative would be.

Disney is different than many entertainment businesses because there is such a large group of people interested in the 'how/why' vs simply those who consume.
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Its a pigeon holing effect that if continued, it will be years down the road when guests who are not concerned about the cohesion and sum of all parts will be shaking their head wondering, "what happened to that magical feeling I used to get"? Or perhaps in a twist of irony, they will be asking why Disney does not have a park with a more cultural/worldly theme instead of two Magic Kingdoms.
 
Jon81uk

Jon81uk

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Magenta Panther said:
I completely agree. It would be much more popular and it certainly would fit into AK better than Cameron's concoction. It's interesting that out of all the recent 3-D theatrical re-releases, only The Lion King, an "old" traditionally-animated film, was an unqualified hit. It even triumphed over the Pixar 3-D offerings. People flat-out LOVE the Lion King, and yet there's no dark ride, just an overrated (IMO) stage show. If anything deserves its own land in AK, The Lion King does. But of course Iger doesn't realize that, because he has little regard for Disney classics. He thinks they're old-hat and not popular enough, which is why he looked outside of the studio for a Potter-swatter. The idiot.
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But what would you do for a Lion King ride? It lends itself to a show quite well but I can't think how to do a ride based on it. Maybe they just need a new show?
 
orlando678-

orlando678-

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Jon81uk said:
But what would you do for a Lion King ride? It lends itself to a show quite well but I can't think how to do a ride based on it. Maybe they just need a new show?
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Tree trunk ride maybe

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orlando678-

orlando678-

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I think this is a better way of displaying Lion King, sure the show is really good but I think it deserves more. people thought of dark rides with jeep vehicles or boat vehicles, but in the movie I really liked the fact that there were no humans involved, that's why I think this is the best way of displaying lion king. sure other small rides or a coaster around the elephant graveyard or so could be fun
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Hula Popper said:
The stupid Norwegians think there is actually a relationship between their country and the setting for the Frozen. They need the folks on this board to edumucate them.

http://en.trondelag.com/disneys-frozen-inspired-by-trondelag-central-norway/

http://www.nordnorge.com/en/frozen/?News=405

http://campaign.visitnorway.com/en/us/Disney-Frozen/Discover-Norway-in-the-footsteps-of-Frozen/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-25982656

It's awful what Disney is doing to the Norwegians. Because of this movie, and the EPCOT attraction, no one will learn anything about real Norwegian culture, topography, architecture, climate, etc. . . if only there was some way for Disney to be forced to compensate Norway for all the damage it is causing them . . .

http://www.ibtimes.com/frozen-norway-disney-hit-brings-blizzard-tourists-1590853

http://time.com/2827339/frozen-tourism-norway/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/behind-norways-frozen-windfall-from-disney/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...n-sparks-web-search-increase-tips-Norway.html
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No Norwegian will call Frozen a product of Norwegian culture. Disney has also already said it will be a ride through the movie, not an educational tour is inspirational landscapes.

ssaamm said:
To be honest I have a problem with Aladdin meeting in Morocco. Morocco isn't Agrabah.

Would the backlash be as big if Disney built an Aladdin ride in Morocco? It fits as well as Arendelle does in Norway.
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Culture and setting are not the same thing. One Thousand and One Nights is part of Islamic culture, and the larger Islamic community and identity is supposed to take precedence over political and ethnic distinctions.

ssaamm said:
Scrutinizing it even more, you could argue Belle, Aurora and Snow White shouldn't really be meeting in World Showcase, the time period of the pavilions are way out of the characters timelines. There was definitely no Eiffel tower in Sleeping Beauty.
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The World Showcase pavilions are not chronologically set. They exist across all times associated with the represented country.
 

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