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News Disney CEO Bob Iger Addresses Disney Parks Crowding and Pricing Concerns
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el_super
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This is part of that "tremendous value" calculation. You would think, if they raised prices on a skip the line system from $0 to ... any number, the number of users would decline to the point that most people are waiting in line (ie - fixing the problem with Fastpass). That isn't happening though, and more and more people are opting to just pay the price to skip the lines.
Either the price of the LL needs to go up, or the admission prices still need to go up, or both. The place still feels too crowded.
erasure fan1
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Except monsters is replacing Muppets so that's a wash. And let's not forget things like stitch and body wars that they never replaced with anything. And we lost backlot and lights motor action with star wars. And there's many shows we've lost too. It's really much worse than many want to admit from a capacity gain standpoint.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Wrong, Junior
Paths not crowded…ride waits were inflated consistently…and their line skips weren’t exactly selling - as hardly anyone were flowing through the left lanes over the last 4 days
But don’t believe me…it was my first time ever observing the crowds in Orlando…I’m
Usually running with my popcorn bucket and pin lanyard to get to mine train like a trained dog.
Sirwalterraleigh
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This
It’s the “alamo” of dusters and they are intent on dying within it.
…that being that the math does not support that every time they do these stupid convention announcements and snippets for years about “exciting new WDI one of a kind, breathtaking experiences”…it helps to fix the problem.
They do not by design…in many cases…because frequency of travel overall has increased in a steady curve.
Some things add. Ratatouille was an add…tron was an add. Straight up. But that doesn’t mean Bob isn’t lying his @$& off…because he shut wonder of life down for zero reason…and prior to Tron…the last net “add” to Magic kingdom was magic carpets of Aladdin in 2002…and prior to that splash in 1992. So from 13,000,000 visitors (estimated) a year to 18-20,000,000 a year in that span.
Math isn’t a matter of opinion.
Nor is the reality that they don’t adjust hours based on the travel volume and chop up days for special ticket events far too much.
Magic kingdom on a “peak” week…like during spring breaks…would be 8-12,1,2 based on the forecasts…
This Saturday it was 8-10
…anyone notice the difference?
LSLS
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But did you factor in the max capacity based on paper for Star Wars? Or are we using the capacity of what they normally run at, along with the down times per day as compared to what it was?
Sirwalterraleigh
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That makes the numbers far worse if you’re defending the Emperor…
Probably something Len would have the best info on
John park hopper
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Don't forget Stitch replaced Alien encounter that was excellent
Kamikaze
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It WAS excellent. At Guest Relations it was also the most complained about attraction ever.
MickeyLuv'r
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LLMP is kind of a sad product.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Which was replaced by minimal cost savings for the last 10 years
Well since bars aren’t for everyone…never really agreed with the argument that everything else had to be for everyone. Read the signs
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
Because guests suddenly developed an inability to interpret prominent warnings in the queue, stating it was a frightening theatrical experience with loud noises, darkness, and confined spaces, potentially too intense for children and some adults
Sirwalterraleigh
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I agree…everything they offer is sad…because they don’t have the seat capacity to let any of them look advantageous or a good value…
However…LLMP is as close to max pass as wdw has ever gotten…which now has the blessed (stupid) fastpass+ prebooking that a lot have cried about for 5 years going for it…
Multipass can be used if you’re savvy and do split days/park hop.
You can do your tour in one of the smaller parks in the am and then back up the day at magic kingdom or Epcot
It’s feasible…which is better than most of their recent ideas
Kamikaze
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You guys are correct, but people are big dumb. Disney's fix was to replace it rather than deal with all the complaints. Because those people aren't going to magically get smarter.
Lights Motor Action at MGM had big operating costs to include what we learned during Q&A with the stunt drivers. $125K per week was spent just on tires.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Here here on the stupidity of tourists
erasure fan1
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It was just attractions vs attractions. When all is said and done, the capacity increase isn't what it needs to be for the attendance increases. It's all a guessing game really. In theory muppets has a near 2400 people per hour. But we all know it's not running at capacity. The last few trips, we're huge Muppet fans so go a few times per visit, the theater is at least half full in summer. I'm not sure what the door coaster will have. Will it be close to something like slinky? If so that would make it a wash at the low end and and a few hundred more per hour on the high end.
I would guess most of the new attractions will see a higher per hour capacity. But how much of an hourly bump do we see overall when you factor all the shuttered attractions and the replacement differential? It doesn't seem that it would be enough for the attendance they get, to make any real difference. It's why I've argued monsters and cars should just go into the open spots they have.
MickeyLuv'r
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Yes to park hopping to get value from it. As much as I thought G+ was not great, I had better booking results. It was nice to have 4 passes booked for my 2nd park. G+ also seemed to continuously spit out (now) passes for rides with low waits.
What's annoying though is that return times often can't be modified. There currently appears to be a soft allowance on using a LLMP pass late (up to 2 hours past expiration?) but otherwise if you want to modify most of the good passes, your only recourse is to beg mercy from a blue tent CM, which is a bit humiliating, IMO. (It kinda makes me think of Oliver Twist asking for more gruel.)
That's just one of the annoying aspects.
There's also still the problem of phantom passes, where it looks like the system is offering say a 9:30am pass, but when you go to book it the return time randomly jumps to some very different time, like 2pm.
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John park hopper
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I remember clearly the warning sign prior to entering AE it's a shame people can't read and then complain and ruin it for those of us who can read.
I did say it was "languishing."