Disney and Universal: Two very different paths

WDWDad13

WDWDad13

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Disneyhead'71 said:
I don't think anyone will argue that WDW has more options for the under 6 crowd. But for my family (me 49, DD 17, DD 13) Universal has a LOT more stuff that appeals to us. My kids would rather have a root canal than go to Disney.
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That's one thing that you hit that both parks (WDW and UNI) could do to attract more in my opinion

While I know there are many exceptions...

Uni is more teen to young adult centric with thrill rides

WDW is more of a family experience with lots of kid and whole family rides


Uni needs more kid and family style rides while WDW needs more thrill rides

Hmmm that Villainsland in DHS idea sure could be the place for WDW to attract more of that crowd
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Goofyernmost said:
I cannot pinpoint exactly what they are doing any more then I ever could when Disney was the leader in "magic". I can tell you this as a 30 year plus fan of WDW, there must have been a strong wind from the south that blew it up to Universal, because with my visit there in January 2013, Uni had it and WDW was only wishing that they tied it down before the wind blew. It wasn't about specific rides it was about atmosphere. Believe me no one hates to say this more then me, but Disney needs to make some changes if they ever expect the full force Magic to return. For those that are new visitors now and you are feeling that magic, all I can say is you cannot even imagine what it used to be like.
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Agreed - The 'World is STILL magic but it is a pale shadow of itself and the magic is in imminent danger of going away entirely.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Prock3 said:
Its heavy because its huge, they wouldn't overbuild it, that would just be stupid of them. To make it lighter other than rebuilding it out of Carbon Fiber, which would never ever ever ever ever ever ever be worth the cost, you would have to start removing the internal components that are responsible for motion and result in a loss of motion. And yes the fur is way too heavy, maybe they could remove the fur from the unseen side of the yeti, saving maybe a ton. If you want to lose weight from the yeti you will end up with a loss of motion, thats really the only way to do it. Shedding weight from an incredibly complex machine isn't as easy as unzipping the fur and just ripping things out. And reducing the weight isn't guaranteed to keep the base from cracking anymore.
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It's the culture of abandonment and TDO's cheap out at all costs mentality, Momentum is what is caused base to crack but momemtum is Mass X Velocity SQUARED - Yeti should have been built from Aluminum rather than steel however that would have forced TDO to hire welders skilled in GMAW and GTAW instead of stick welding, Material cost would have been higher and painting frame would have required Al painting techniques instead of simply hiring day laborers from the local Home Depot to scrape away rust and slap on some rustoleum.

The benefit would have been, A functional attraction with substantially lower OPEX because the mechanism would not have been pounding itself to bits and the power savings would have been substantial also contributing to lower OPEX.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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WDWDad13 said:
That's one thing that you hit that both parks (WDW and UNI) could do to attract more in my opinion

While I know there are many exceptions...

Uni is more teen to young adult centric with thrill rides

WDW is more of a family experience with lots of kid and whole family rides


Uni needs more kid and family style rides while WDW needs more thrill rides

Hmmm that Villainsland in DHS idea sure could be the place for WDW to attract more of that crowd
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Gosh, I have to disagree with that intensely. Disney never has and I hope never will have to give into to the spin and puke set. That would be against every possible mission that they ever had. They are an entertainment venue, that was to be done with fun, technology and the constant question of "how did they do that"! Anyone can scare the crap out of someone, the trick is to make them enjoy a more docile form of entertainment. When people talk about Disney adding thrill rides all I can ever think of is Burger King, McDonalds and Wendy's. All different names and that's where it ends. It's what separates them from other chain venues like Olive Garden, Red Lobster and others. They have their own purpose and draw. Disney didn't get to be the biggest in theme parks because they installed thrill rides all over. Let Disney be Disney and feel free to go to other places for the nausea. :hungover:
 
1023

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Friday, October 1st, 2021

A day that is very important. Mark it on your digital calendar. It will be the deciding point for all these arguments. That's 8 years, and 16 days from today. It's a total of 2938 days.

What pray tell is Friday, October 1st, 2021? It is the 50th anniversary of the Walt Disney World Resort. This is a very key day in the resort's history. When you look across the country at the Disneyland Resort, they went all out celebrating the park for it's 50th year. Special events, new shows, new attractions, and massive refurbishments with "plus-ing" were all a part of a year long celebration.

The period of time leading up to this date for the Walt Disney World Resort will be very telling. Will we see massive refurbishment at MK? Will Star Wars be a large addition of attractions in the "Studios"? Will AK finally have some Blue Eco Terrorists experiences and eliminate the three o'clock problem? The final question, will EPCOT finally recover it's soul a fill out the areas that held much promise?

This date will be the time to put a measuring stick to these two companies. We will plainly see if Disney's slow play strategy pays off or if Universal's aggressive expansion was winning. There are going to be hundreds of discussions hosted here between now and then. Will those who say Disney is on the verge of doing great things in Florida be right? This day should be their answer.

I wonder, will we all be here still debating then?

*1023*
 
jensenrick

jensenrick

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Oh, I thought that was the projected Grand Opening date of Universal's 3rd gate.
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OMG, wouldn't that be something else? :eek::jawdrop:

Geez, 8 years away- UO could have a 3rd gate built by then, at the pace they go. Good gravy, if UO opened a 3rd gate during the same year that WDW was handing out cupcakes and pins for it's 50th- :jawdrop: I'd have second hand embarrasment. :in pain:

Don't jump me- I'm not saying it'll happen. but if it did :in pain:

For the first time, I'm really hoping Avatar is a big success.
 
Pumbas Nakasak

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Goofyernmost said:
Gosh, I have to disagree with that intensely. Disney never has and I hope never will have to give into to the spin and puke set. That would be against every possible mission that they ever had. They are an entertainment venue, that was to be done with fun, technology and the constant question of "how did they do that"! Anyone can scare the crap out of someone, the trick is to make them enjoy a more docile form of entertainment. When people talk about Disney adding thrill rides all I can ever think of is Burger King, McDonalds and Wendy's. All different names and that's where it ends. It's what separates them from other chain venues like Olive Garden, Red Lobster and others. They have their own purpose and draw. Disney didn't get to be the biggest in theme parks because they installed thrill rides all over. Let Disney be Disney and feel free to go to other places for the nausea. :hungover:
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Remind me again what Disneys most popular attractions are in each park.
 
WDWDad13

WDWDad13

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Goofyernmost said:
Gosh, I have to disagree with that intensely. Disney never has and I hope never will have to give into to the spin and puke set. That would be against every possible mission that they ever had. They are an entertainment venue, that was to be done with fun, technology and the constant question of "how did they do that"! Anyone can scare the crap out of someone, the trick is to make them enjoy a more docile form of entertainment. When people talk about Disney adding thrill rides all I can ever think of is Burger King, McDonalds and Wendy's. All different names and that's where it ends. It's what separates them from other chain venues like Olive Garden, Red Lobster and others. They have their own purpose and draw. Disney didn't get to be the biggest in theme parks because they installed thrill rides all over. Let Disney be Disney and feel free to go to other places for the nausea. :hungover:
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Point well taken...I guess I should have mentioned thrill rides such as tower of terror like. Not exposed outdoor coasters will no theming but I agree with what you were saying too
 
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Prock3

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ford91exploder said:
It's the culture of abandonment and TDO's cheap out at all costs mentality, Momentum is what is caused base to crack but momemtum is Mass X Velocity SQUARED - Yeti should have been built from Aluminum rather than steel however that would have forced TDO to hire welders skilled in GMAW and GTAW instead of stick welding, Material cost would have been higher and painting frame would have required Al painting techniques instead of simply hiring day laborers from the local Home Depot to scrape away rust and slap on some rustoleum.

The benefit would have been, A functional attraction with substantially lower OPEX because the mechanism would not have been pounding itself to bits and the power savings would have been substantial also contributing to lower OPEX.
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Do we know for sure its made from steel? I mean you'd have to be an idiot to not make it out of aluminum. I also wonder how much the vibration from the yeti has damaged the base.

I think that they are over exaggerating the difficulty of fixing the problem, yes to fix it the ride has to be closed for a decent amount of time. But instead of having to cut a hole through the mountain like they've said they should be able to raise the yeti a foot or two, remove the base and construct a properly designed one in its place.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Prock3 said:
Do we know for sure its made from steel? I mean you'd have to be an idiot to not make it out of aluminum. I also wonder how much the vibration from the yeti has damaged the base.

I think that they are over exaggerating the difficulty of fixing the problem, yes to fix it the ride has to be closed for a decent amount of time. But instead of having to cut a hole through the mountain like they've said they should be able to raise the yeti a foot or two, remove the base and construct a properly designed one in its place.
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I'm NOT sure it's steel but everything else at WDW is constructed from steel even AA's so I am making the natural assumption that it is and if you look at the pictures from some of the behind the scenes with Tony Baxter videos the material certainly LOOK's like steel. Also they note that the Yeti while in full motion has roughly the equivalent of 8,000HP so steel is a logical material.
 

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