Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Wendy Pleakley

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Unsurprisingly, current events may impact box office returns:


“We will follow market rules, respect the audience’s choice, and moderately reduce the number of American films imported. China is the world’s second-largest film market. We have always adhered to a high level of opening up to the outside world and will introduce more excellent films from the world to meet market demand.”
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
It will send Studios a message of hey we don’t even have to try anymore

To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.
Is it good stories though if its just a retelling of the latest popular video game?

I agree that there is nothing wrong with "dumb" movies from time-to-time, but when that becomes most of the output being pushed to theaters, well that isn't a good thing in the long run in my opinion.

We hear cries from fans that they want more originality, but when that original content that gets pushed out isn't getting an audience studios just pump out more of what makes money, the dumb stuff with no real stories.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Is it good stories though if its just a retelling of the latest popular video game?

Probably not, but could be.

But the same could be said from Fairytales. Specifically made by the same studio...hmmm.

and good stories are not mutually exclusive. It is not originality that matters as much as how well a story is told. Originality of theme is a nice bonus. It just tends to win when it has a slant.
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.
I Wii be more then fine with with movies based on games…I think there is good stories to be mined there… I have enjoyed some media based on video games such as Last of Us and Falliut

I do think some Studios may try to create a social media trend…. As they already did with the Morbius rerelease and it’s Morbin time and failed

I also don’t want to see a trend of people yelling lines and throwing popcorn at the screen…. If that happened in a screening I attended I would be very annoyed
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
I do think some Studios may try to create a social media trend…. As they already did with the Morbius rerelease and it’s Morbin time and failed

I also don’t want to see a trend of people yelling lines and throwing popcorn at the screen…. If that happened in a screening I attended I would be very annoyed

Yeah. I think that is an unfortunate social media crap of disrespect and a very loud five percent (or probably a lot less)
They can't set out to make it a cult classic so fast, that is what it feels like they tried to do, and a theater definitely is not on board for obvious reasons in most cases.

Influence is a dangerous thing sometimes.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Probably not, but could be.

But the same could be said from Fairytales. Specifically made by the same studio...hmmm.

and good stories are not mutually exclusive. It is not originality that matters as much as how well a story is told. Originality of theme is a nice bonus. It just tends to win when it has a slant.
Just my opinion but if its a video game story just told on the big screen, that isn't a "good" story, that is a "meme" story. And that is what I consider the Minecraft movie, a meme movie. Its told for the lolz.

Original stories, even if based on another property, is more a rarity these days and its a shame.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Just my opinion but if its a video game story just told on the big screen, that isn't a "good" story, that is a "meme" story. And that is what I consider the Minecraft movie, a meme movie. Its told for the lolz.

Original stories, even if based on another property, is more a rarity these days and its a shame.

I can say the same at about a board game or popular toys from pop culture. It depends on what is done with it. I get the concern.
It had a story of a creative kid going to a creative world. It could have been done much better, but it was not like it did not have any story. It was just the odd Jared Hess movie humor(I thought the real world was more entertaining because of this, funny enough)
Quality will out. Even with nasty inbetween.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Just my opinion but if its a video game story just told on the big screen, that isn't a "good" story, that is a "meme" story. And that is what I consider the Minecraft movie, a meme movie. Its told for the lolz.

Original stories, even if based on another property, is more a rarity these days and it’s a shame.
So The Last of Us, produced by the team that gave us Chernobyl, is a “meme” story? So too is Fallout?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I can say the same at about a board game or popular toys from pop culture. It depends on what is done with it. I get the concern.
It had a story of a creative kid going to a creative world. It could have been done much better, but it was not like it did not have any story. It was just the odd Jared Hess movie humor(I thought the real world was more entertaining because of this, funny enough)
Quality will out. Even with nasty inbetween.
Unfortunately I fear we are heading toward an Idiocracy type of situation with entertainment here in the near future.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So The Last of Us, produced by the team that gave us Chernobyl, is a “meme” story? So too is Fallout?
There are obviously outliers, especially on the small screen, but the now three biggest video game movies in the last 5 years, Mario, Sonic, and now Minecraft, have 100% been "meme" movies.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Ebb and flow for me.

The 70s was filled with mindless Disaster movies, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Airplane.

And all are entertaining and fun times in their own ways.
I don't think you can really compare the "mindless" movies from the 70s or even 80s to the "meme" "mindless" stuff today, as even Towering Inferno had more story to it than most of the mindless stuff today.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
There are obviously outliers, especially on the small screen, but the now three biggest video game movies in the last 5 years, Mario, Sonic, and now Minecraft, have 100% been "meme" movies.
Good to know. Now that you’re done bemoaning the unoriginality of “video game” productions, you can now resume with telling us how excited you are for the success of Thunderbolts*, the 36th MCU theatrical release
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
I don't think you can really compare the "mindless" movies from the 70s or even 80s to the "meme" "mindless" stuff today, as even Towering Inferno had more story to it than most of the mindless stuff today.

Every generation says this. It does not compare directly, nor should it.

Barbie was a better story than Towering Inferno and Poseidon Adventure. All fun and "dumb" for different reasons of course.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Good to know. Now that you’re done bemoaning the unoriginality of “video game” productions, you can now resume with telling us how excited you are for the success of Thunderbolts*, the 36th MCU theatrical release
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the MCU is wholly original either, whether I'm excited for a particular movie or not. My point was that there needs to be more of a balance, and unfortunately it seems like the pendulum is swinging too far into the unoriginal "meme" type movies direction. Hopefully it'll swing back in the other direction soon, I just fear it won't because studios see too much profit from the "meme" movies.
 

Casper Gutman

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I’ll start off by restating the obvious - almost no one on these boards would be defending Minecraft and the reaction if it were a Disney product.

And the point isn’t that this is a “dumb” movie. “Dumb” movies, movies like Minions that rely on silly plots and physical humor, can be great. That’s not the point.

This also isn’t simply about audience engagement. This isn’t cheering at Endgame when the portal opens and you hear “on your left,” or crying when Peter Parker turns to dust in Infinity Wars. Those are shared reactions to emotional engagement with stories and characters - that’s how storytelling is meant to work.

The reactions to Minecraft are different. They are hoots and hollers of mere recognition, engagement with images without content. That’s the true meaning of calling it a “meme movie.” I’ve seen reactions compared to those found at a Rocky Horror showing, but that seems to miss the mark. Those reactions were born from an emotional engagement with the content of the film on earlier viewings and formed a vital role of community formation among often marginalized individuals. At first blush the reaction to Minecraft seems more akin to reactions to a sporting event, but I hesitate to give it even that much credit. It’s performative consumption, separate from any storytelling the film might even lazily attempt. The relationship between audience and media would be much the same if the screen flashed up still images or 5 second videos with no narrative or thematic throughline. In this way, it mirrors addiction to social media and outlets like Tik Tok.

There’s been conversation in this thread about what constitutes “art.” I’m very broad in my understanding of the term. I think that most forms that were once disdained - comics, video games, cartoons, theme park rides - are “art,” and that such “pop art” is just as if not more meaningful then most “high art.” But I’d draw a line here. Minecraft is “art” - crass, cynical, of little value - but the film itself is “art.” What we are seeing in the audience reactions, however, is that it is not being engaged with on those terms. And the films that follow Minecraft’s success are likely to eschew emotion and storytelling more and more.

If this keeps theaters alive, is it bad? In isolation, it’s regrettable but could be overlooked. The danger is that studios chase this reaction, letting it push out a focus on storytelling and emotional investment and fundamentally altering blockbuster cinema. Whatever Scorsese may believe, Endgame and Goodfellas have a lot more in common then either film does with the “meme movies” Minecraft may spawn.

Minecraft is also particularly insidious because it targets children. There is an emerging problem of young people unable to engage with art - even silly “pop art” - because their diet has been restricted to exploitative meme content like Tik Tok and Mr Beast. This is part of a much larger and more complex conversation about the ways changes in media consumption have changed behavior.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Good to know. Now that you’re done bemoaning the unoriginality of “video game” productions, you can now resume with telling us how excited you are for the success of Thunderbolts*, the 36th MCU theatrical release
Minecraft is an entirely different beast from Mario and Sonic, both of which I saw in theaters and enjoyed to some degree.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
I think the interactive trend is a negative tiktok thing is not as common as people are thinking.

I saw the theater with a packed house first weekend and saw none of that.

But Hate watching is also nothing new and plenty of movies would have lower numbers if not for a chunk being that too.


I saw the Minecraft movie, it has a plot. It is not an hour and a half of no story. About the same level of story as Jumanji's sequels. Not great, but not void.
 

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