Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I gotta give this one to you.
Fact is, the only stock in my portfolio in the green at the moment is Disney.

And the fact is, the reason I keep Disney is because I am a fan of the company even though I disagree a lot with what they do at WDW and in the movies.

I do think Disney is too big to fail.
It's not too big to be corporate raided.

  • Wendy Darling: And what's so terribly important about your terribly important business?
  • Jack: Well, you see, when a big company's in trouble, Dad sails in, and if there's *any* resistance...
  • Peter Banning: Well, he's exaggerating. I'm still into mergers and acquisitions. And I'm dabbling in some land development.
  • Jack: Any resistance - and he *blows* them out of the water.
  • Wendy Darling: So, Peter, you've become a pirate.
 

Farerb

Well-Known Member
Sorry deleted my original post by accident. Anyway that’s an interesting way of looking at it but I don’t see why that would majorly the view of someone who thinks that the end of the movie is “weird” I don’t even share that view myself but a good amount of people do.
No one thought that it was like that 20 years ago. It only started in the early 2010s when shallow faux feminist buzzfeed articles decided to have a vendetta against the Princess films, all of them including Beauty and the Beast and Mulan, and that only happened because of the popularization of the Princess franchise in the early 2000s and the Shrek films crapping on Disney. No one thought that it was off that Barbara Streisand sang "Someday My Prince Will Come" and no one thought that the idea of true love (even if unrealistic) was terrible. People have become more cynical. Guys gets to enjoy their fantasies without people picking them apart, why not women?, hence why there's a severe lack of romcoms and chick flick. Hollywood rarely makes fun movies for women anymore.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
I gotta give this one to you.
Fact is, the only stock in my portfolio in the green at the moment is Disney.

And the fact is, the reason I keep Disney is because I am a fan of the company even though I disagree a lot with what they do at WDW and in the movies.

I do think Disney is too big to fail.
It’s impressive to be green on Disney.

The stock is basically where it was 10 years ago.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
It only started in the early 2010s when shallow faux feminist buzzfeed articles decided to have a vendetta against the Princess films
What?! Where was I when this happened? I've always loved all the princess films including live remakes.

Maybe I wasn't reading the same articles. It's possible you're giving them way too much credit.

Hollywood doesn't make fun movies for women? Where are you getting all of this?
 

Farerb

Well-Known Member
What?! Where was I when this happened? I've always loved all the princess films including live remakes.

Maybe I wasn't reading the same articles. It's possible you're giving them way too much credit.
Not just articles, even YouTube videos. It was extremely trendy back then:

 

Chi84

Premium Member
Yes, it's a clause that prohibits one or more parties from revealing certain information.
Right, but it's a confidentiality agreement. If Disney puts an actor in front of the press and tells her to answer questions about the movie, any confidentiality is waived. And that's only the first reason a non-disclosure agreement makes no sense here.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
No one thought that it was like that 20 years ago. It only started in the early 2010s when shallow faux feminist buzzfeed articles decided to have a vendetta against the Princess films, all of them including Beauty and the Beast and Mulan, and that only happened because of the popularization of the Princess franchise in the early 2000s and the Shrek films crapping on Disney. No one thought that it was off that Barbara Streisand sang "Someday My Prince Will Come" and no one thought that the idea of true love (even if unrealistic) was terrible. People have become more cynical. Guys gets to enjoy their fantasies without people picking them apart, why not women?, hence why there's a severe lack of romcoms and chick flick. Hollywood rarely makes fun movies for women anymore.
I think you missed the point of those articles if you indeed read them. The passive "damsel in distress princess needs rescue" trope is what was being discussed, and its not a vendetta, its was to say that these characters don't have to be one dimensional and need to be saved all the time, they can have more agency. And Disney themselves tried to move away from using this type of princess trope way before the 2010s. Its why you started to see Mulan, Belle, Rapunzel and many other strong female princess characters emerge.

Society and times changes, and so does views on old tropes that are no longer popular.
 

WorldExplorer

Well-Known Member
I don’t know? Ask my wife. Why do many women love that scene? What makes it so iconic?

People dueting is romantic. Being serenaded is romantic. Snow White is embarrassed by her rags, but despite him being a prince he doesn't care she's wearing rags: it's sweet (note the Queen specifically put her in those to try and make her ugly). She sends a dove to kiss him: it's sweet. She sings his song to herself later: she's thinking about him, she liked the encounter, it's sweet.

Wouldn't it be nice if life was so simple: you look at someone and know immediately you would spend a happy life together? Wouldn't it be great if you also happened to both be royalty and good looking with excellent singing voices? Yes it would be!

It's a fantasy. It's escapism. Many women are adults who understand what a fantasy and escapism is. We can understand that Snow White was made during a time before we became obsessed with over explaining everything and we can understand the sweetness and romanticism of the scene without being aware that prior to this they had three dates and the first was kinda awkward but now they're feeling pretty good about this whole thing, not ready to move in quite yet though.


But hey, anyone who thinks the Prince is a flat character, good news: Walt Disney agreed. There's tons of cut content for this character left on the cutting floor (seemingly all after the initial meet) because the movie was notoriously troubled and they felt he was the hardest to animate. You would think this would be the time to dive into the archives and use the material already made up for them; it even included him being captured and accidentally screwing up his attempt to rescue Snow White because he can't do something she can (understand the animals).

But no. Flynn Rider knock off. What did that Walt guy know, anyway?
 
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Farerb

Well-Known Member
I think you missed the point of the articles if you indeed read them. The passive "damsel in distress princess needs rescue" trope is what was being discussed, and its not a vendetta, its was to say that these characters aren't on dimensional and need to be save, they can have more agency. And Disney themselves tried to move away from using this type of princess trope way before the 2010s. Its why you started to see Mulan, Belle, Rapunzel and many other strong female princess character emerge.

Society and times changes, and so does views on old tropes that are no longer popular.
All the 90s princesses got criticized. All of them. Belle got Stockholm Syndrome remember? And she ends up with a guy at the end. Same with Mulan, same with Rapunzel.

Don't misconstrue what I said. I never said there was anything wrong with these kind of characters. I love Moana. But Disney stopped doing romances because of these types of articles and media that criticized the "focus on love stories".
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
So weird how many "Disney fans" are just okay trashing the film that literally made Disney what it is just to prop up a lousy remake that will be completely forgotten in a few months.
I don’t agree with them, but they’re entitled to feel as they do. The main sections of the forum have many posts expressing dislike of what I consider timeless Disney attractions like the Jungle Cruise, it’s a small world, and the Tiki Room. Much as I disagree with the people expressing such sentiments, it isn’t my place to question their fandom. Disney is a big tent, and there’s plenty of room for different tastes and opinions.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
All the 90s princesses got criticized. All of them. Belle got Stockholm Syndrome remember? And she ends up with a guy at the end. Same with Mulan, same with Rapunzel.

Don't misconstrue what I said. I never said there was anything wrong with these kind of characters. I love Moana. But Disney stopped doing romances because of these types of articles and media that criticized the "focus on love stories".
I can’t imagine that video influencing anyone. Maybe the men here who have such an issue with young female stars because it might explain some things.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
All the 90s princesses got criticized. All of them. Belle got Stockholm Syndrome remember? And she ends up with a guy at the end. Same with Mulan, same with Rapunzel.
Those are different criticisms however than the traditional "Disney princess" trope criticisms which were the focus of many of those articles from the early 00s/10s that you're talking about. And those criticisms are also fair. The idea was that the traditional "Disney Princess" was just there as a set piece waiting for the prince to save her, ie she was a one dimensional character with no agency nothing more than a prop to advance a "love story".

Don't misconstrue what I said. I never said there was anything wrong with these kind of characters. I love Moana. But Disney stopped doing romances because of these types of articles and media that criticized the "focus on love stories".
Disney stopped doing romances for a variety of reasons, including the fact that they weren't guaranteed box office hits any more, such as Princess and the Frog.

Again times change, audiences want different things. They don't always want the same old sappy one dimensional princess character that constantly needs to be saved.
 

Farerb

Well-Known Member
I can’t imagine that video influencing anyone. Maybe the men here who have such an issue with young female stars because it might explain some things.
So tiring.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE VIDEO. IT'S ABOUT THE TREND

why are you being purposefully disingenuous? Everyone can see how their sensibility changed during the 2010s. A film like Tangled would never be made today.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
So tiring.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE VIDEO. IT'S ABOUT THE TREND

why are you being purposefully disingenuous? Everyone can see how their sensibility changed during the 2010s. A film like Tangled would never be made today.
No I’m not. But the video is so hideously over-the-top that it’s hard to talk about anything else.

I do agree that people have changed and that films are less about romance than they were, especially films directed at young kids.
 

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