Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My example The Nice Guys was not ”indie”…. it was distributed by Warner Brothers… but then again maybe you also consider Lethal Weapon, The Last Boy Scout, and Iron Man indie

…I gotta give you points for the last boyscout reference

Anyway…different target/audience..no matter the distributor.

Let’s not do this thing where we infer that somehow Disney making garbage nobody is paying to see less of a foul. It is

 

[erasure fan1]

Not to be confused with the people from the opposite side of the coin who take any opportunity to remind us they hated a movie that came out in 2016.

Ghostbusters 2016 was extremely bad. There's always going to be lists and talks of the worst movies ever, biggest flops... This is unique because I don't see other unanimously panned movies get the, everyone was wrong, it was actually not bad, treatment all the time. And I'm not talking about the YouTube vloggers, it's major sites.

 

[DKampy]

…I gotta give you points for the last boyscout reference

Anyway…different target/audience..no matter the distributor.

Let’s not do this thing where we infer that somehow Disney making garbage nobody is paying to see less of a foul. It is

As @Disney Irish pointed out all film is subjective… Even critics are just giving their opinion which is why I still like Rotten Tomatoes…it gives a consensus… as well as having a few critics I give more weight too than others as our opinions tend to gel better… but you tend to state that your opinion is fact and if others opinions differ than you… they must be wrong

Even if we take out my The Nice Guys example… as it is also an example of why studios are nervous about taking chances on original stories… I still disagree with your original comment that only good movies will do well… we do live in a universe where Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland film made over a billion dollars

 

[DKampy]

Ghostbusters 2016 was extremely bad. There's always going to be lists and talks of the worst movies ever, biggest flops... This is unique because I don't see other unanimously panned movies get the, everyone was wrong, it was actually not bad, treatment all the time. And I'm not talking about the YouTube vloggers, it's major sites.

I agree the 2016 Ghostbusters was bad…it’s the reasoning that some people complain that film was bad that I have issues with… at it’s core…the original Ghostbusters was a comedy before anything else…it is the direction I wish they would go in… just smarter and not so juvenile… at least the 2016 version tried to be a comedy… it just unfortunately was not funny… but they did try to follow the template of the original just with SNL females instead of SNL males

 

[Casper Gutman]

Robert Downey Jr. Would ‘Happily’ Return to Marvel After Oscar Win; Gwyneth Paltrow Says He’d Throw Out ‘Iron Man’ Lines and Go: ‘I’m Not F—ing Saying These’

Robert Downey Jr. would "happily" return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe because "it's too integral a part of my DNA."

variety.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Robert Downey Jr. Would ‘Happily’ Return to Marvel After Oscar Win; Gwyneth Paltrow Says He’d Throw Out ‘Iron Man’ Lines and Go: ‘I’m Not F—ing Saying These’

Robert Downey Jr. would "happily" return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe because "it's too integral a part of my DNA."

variety.com

He got his Oscar, he accomplished what he wanted to do. So yeah why not come back to the franchise that made him really popular again. Look for at least a cameo in Secret Wars. However we're still waiting for Sherlock 3, so who knows whats going to happen longer term.

 

[erasure fan1]

I agree the 2016 Ghostbusters was bad…it’s the reasoning that some people complain that film was bad that I have issues with… at it’s core…the original Ghostbusters was a comedy before anything else…it is the direction I wish they would go in… just smarter and not so juvenile… at least the 2016 version tried to be a comedy… it just unfortunately was not funny… but they did try to follow the template of the original just with SNL females instead of SNL males

It was a big deal for a lot of people that it was all female, that's for sure. But for a lot of those people who were upset with it. It wasn't as much about females as it was about the original people were trying to make a 3rd film for years. They could have used the original cast that they had left. Then add in 2 new female Ghostbusters, it wouldn't have been a big deal. It was also billed as continuation in early promo. They tried to sell it as something it wasn't. I agree that they tried to make it a comedy, same as the original. But if you're going to abandon such a beloved original, you absolutely need to make sure it's top quality. 2016 felt more like a spoof movie rather than a legitimate Ghostbusters film.

 

[TP2000]

Finalized Box Office is out for The First Omen in its debut weekend globally.

US ticket sales were revised down slightly to $8,353,710.

It made $9.1 Million overseas, with a few countries already reporting exact debut weekend tallies; Australia got $194,058 in box office, United Kingdom got $658,152 this weekend. It has yet to open in France and the BeNeLux group, but is open everywhere else already. I wonder what the Italians think of this sort of Vatican horror stuff?

 

[BuddyThomas]

Why does every 20th Century or Searchlight movie have to be disgusting nowadays?

The above statement is a little something known as an opinion, one that many do not share with you.

 

[BuddyThomas]

We saw The First Omen over the weekend, based on the reviews alone, and we thought it was fantastic. Soooo much better than we expected. However, I have one major problem/concern/question for those who have seen it and it’s a spoiler, so…..

Spoiler

The movie goes right up to the start of the original Omen, so this film is taking place in that universe. However, in this movie, Damien is birthed by Margaret, and we know from the original movie that Damien was birthed by a jackal. This is a major error, unless I missed something. Can anyone shed some light on this?

 

[Disney Irish]

We saw The First Omen over the weekend, based on the reviews alone, and we thought it was fantastic. Soooo much better than we expected. However, I have one major problem/concern/question for those who have seen it and it’s a spoiler, so…..

Spoiler

The movie goes right up to the start of the original Omen, so this film is taking place in that universe. However, in this movie, Damien is birthed by Margaret, and we know from the original movie that Damien was birthed by a jackal. This is a major error, unless I missed something. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Here is my view after having seen it...

Spoiler: Omen

In the original Omen they find the grave of the birth mother and it has the burned dead body of a jackal and the murdered baby that Damien replaced. So its just "assumed" the jackal body was the mother. But the jackal body was actually the father, as seen in The First Omen, that died in the fire and the mother Margaret actually escaped and disappeared.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Here is my view after having seen it...

Spoiler: Omen

In the original Omen they find the grave of the birth mother and it has the burned dead body of a jackal and the murdered baby that Damien replaced. So its just "assumed" the jackal body was the mother. But the jackal body was actually the father, as seen in The First Omen, that died in the fire and the mother Margaret actually escaped and disappeared.

That makes sense. Thanks!

 

[BuddyThomas]

Finalized Box Office is out for The First Omen in its debut weekend globally.

US ticket sales were revised down slightly to $8,353,710.

It made $9.1 Million overseas, with a few countries already reporting exact debut weekend tallies; Australia got $194,058 in box office, United Kingdom got $658,152 this weekend. It has yet to open in France and the BeNeLux group, but is open everywhere else already. I wonder what the Italians think of this sort of Vatican horror stuff?

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They’ve been doing “Vatican horror stuff” since at least the 1970’s, as you are very clearly aware. Calm down.

 

[TP2000]

They’ve been doing “Vatican horror stuff” since at least the 1970’s, as you are very clearly aware. Calm down.

Yes, but what do Italians think of that genre I wonder?

The box office for Italy is now available as of an hour or so ago, and it did $401,520 in its debut weekend. There's about 60 Million people in Italy, and if tickets cost $10 or so, then about 40,100 Italians went to see The First Omen this past weekend.

40,100 Italians is 0.06% of the total population of 60 Million.

Not a huge market in Italy for Vatican Horror Gore, apparently. I'm not surprised, but the box office is proof of that I guess.

The First Omen (2024) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of The First Omen (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

www.the-numbers.com

 

[BuddyThomas]

Yes, but what do Italians think of that genre I wonder?

The box office for Italy is now available as of an hour or so ago, and it did $401,520 in its debut weekend. There's about 60 Million people in Italy, and if tickets cost $10 or so, then about 40,100 Italians went to see The First Omen this past weekend.

40,100 Italians is 0.06% of the total population of 60 Million.

Not a huge market in Italy for Vatican Horror Gore, apparently. I'm not surprised, but the box office is proof of that I guess.

The First Omen (2024) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of The First Omen (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

www.the-numbers.com

Oh my god.

 

[DKampy]

We saw The First Omen over the weekend, based on the reviews alone, and we thought it was fantastic. Soooo much better than we expected. However, I have one major problem/concern/question for those who have seen it and it’s a spoiler, so…..

Spoiler

The movie goes right up to the start of the original Omen, so this film is taking place in that universe. However, in this movie, Damien is birthed by Margaret, and we know from the original movie that Damien was birthed by a jackal. This is a major error, unless I missed something. Can anyone shed some light on this?

I saw it also and agree with you on the spoiler

 

[DKampy]

It was a big deal for a lot of people that it was all female, that's for sure. But for a lot of those people who were upset with it. It wasn't as much about females as it was about the original people were trying to make a 3rd film for years.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Bill Murray one of the holdouts…It would be odd to have a Ghostbusters 3 with the original cast, but without Murray…I am sure the studio would have moved forward if the entire cast was interested…sometimes people need to move on

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Bill Murray one of the holdouts…It would be odd to have a Ghostbusters 3 with the original cast, but without Murray…I am sure the studio would have moved forward if the entire cast was interested…sometimes people need to move on

That is apparently the case. I know he had a falling out with Harold Ramis which may have been a factor.

When the original cast all cameoed in GB 2016 I did think at the time, why not do an in universe sequel if the OG cast was willing to participate?

However, it's still possible Murray didn't want to reprise the role at the time. He said he did the cameo because he didn't want people to think he was opposed to the new incarnation in some way.

I also understand why they wanted to start fresh in order to do an origin story.

 

[erasure fan1]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Bill Murray one of the holdouts…It would be odd to have a Ghostbusters 3 with the original cast, but without Murray…I am sure the studio would have moved forward if the entire cast was interested…sometimes people need to move on

I remember hearing that. I never really looked into how true or why. I find that most of the time when an actor isn't on board, it's because they just haven't hit the price tag. He obviously was willing to do it because he was in the new ones. So either it was money or a creative issue. The other two made cameos in the 2016 film. So I don't think it would have to unrealistic to have them team up and "pass the torch" to a new crew.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

He got his Oscar, he accomplished what he wanted to do. So yeah why not come back to the franchise that made him really popular again. Look for at least a cameo in Secret Wars. However we're still waiting for Sherlock 3, so who knows whats going to happen longer term.

We loved the Sherlock Holmes series. I really hope they do a third movie.
We also liked the Iron Man series, so there's hope for that one too??