Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

I think redemption is earned over time, eventually people will forgive and forget, as long as someone’s actions mirror their words, but simply saying oops, my bad, is meaningless without follow through.

I agree that someone should follow through on their apology and prove they mean it. But I don’t see that as a barrier to accepting an apology, even if only provisionally, when it is initially offered.

 

[coffeefan]

 

[LittleBuford]

See above.

I emphasised “after”. She can’t turn back time, so what should she have done following her mistake? To make my question more relatable perhaps, what should a poster here who says something inappropriate do to make up for it? Or is redemption impossible?

 

[Disney Irish]

She didn’t evolve a single thing. She was forced to issue an apology and did.

Forced? You have any proof of that or is this just an assumption on your part? How do you know she didn't come to terms with it herself and retracted what she said after thinking about it. This is called personal growth. Or do you think personal growth is not possible for a 23 year old?

 

[Disney Irish]

If I wish harm on half the country I don’t expect anyone to forgive me. Especially when I’m being forced to apologize.

I really wish people would learn that there is another meaning to what she said besides that she wished harm. Such as having to wrestle with ones decisions is also known as not knowing peace.

 

[Tha Realest]

I emphasised “after”. She can’t turn back time, so what should she have done following her mistake? To make my question more relatable perhaps, what should a poster here who says something inappropriate do to make up for it? Or is redemption impossible?

A few things:

One, there seems to be certain sins that one can be redeemed from (eg., ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel and Ted Danson appearing in black face in recent years) and those who cannot (Megyn Kelly asking what the issue is with blackface). Second, there does seem to be some calculus as to how sincere the apology or attempt to remedy the “sin” is - was the attempt to recompense sincere, or is it a marketing/PR driven directive? Third, at least with the “free Palestine” comment, it seemed very oddly timed and, absent any other history of her supporting that cause prior to that, was viewed as a pretty explicit demonstration of her being an ally to those who were demonizing her co-star at the time (the first trailer had just dropped and Gadot was catching a lot of anti-Semitic hate in comments and social media). To the last point: has Zegler apologized publicly (or privately) for the pain she may have inflicted upon her costar?

 

[erasure fan1]

I commented on a specific post—the post I quoted. I stand by my characterisation.

Yes, thank you I know that. The point is you are doing what you scold so many for doing. Taking something without full context and using that to try and make a point.

I do not “support Zegler”. I am totally indifferent to her as a person.

Then why try and misrepresent what I'm saying in the conversation? Your posts and thoughts on her are the definition of support. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to take things out of contex to defend her.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Well, “dwarfs” if we’re sticking with Disney’s own terminology. I believe they’re supposed to be understood as little men (Snow White call them such) in the original film rather than mythical beings.

Interesting! I always thought it was the latter, consistent with German folklore. I believe that’s what they were in the original fairytale as well. I know she calls them little men, but I figured that was just the best way she knew to describe them

 

[Tha Realest]

Imagine if Zegler had done something nuts like call people she disagrees with “vermin.”

I didn’t vote for such a person, and I won’t be voting with my feet (or wallet) by seeing Snow White in the theater. Happy now?

I also believe Alec Baldwin should have won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role in The Departed at a time he was routinely excoriating someone with my sort of political beliefs (at the time) and was behaving abhorrently towards his daughter. Despite all that, he is a brilliant actor and it was a travesty he was charged in the Rust shooting. See how easy that is?

 

[LittleBuford]

Interesting! I always thought it was the latter, consistent with German folklore. I believe that’s what they were in the original fairytale as well. I know she calls them little men, but I figured that was just the best way she knew to describe them

I think they are magical in the original fairytale. I never took them to be so in Disney's version.

 

[Willmark]

I emphasised “after”. She can’t turn back time, so what should she have done following her mistake? To make my question more relatable perhaps, what should a poster here who says something inappropriate do to make up for it? Or is redemption impossible?

We heard for a number of years that “free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of your speech.” I’m fairly sure that was one sided as to who was using that statement. If that’s the standard than it should come as no surprise when one is “hoisted via their own petard.” No?

If that’s the standard, shouldn’t she be judged by that?

I’m likely the biggest proponent of free speech around here. I don’t usually quote movies, but ironically there is a swathe of the country that should read this quote (in part) till it sinks in:

"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

The irony of who the director of the American President is not lost on me.

I’m of the opinion of speech not being censored or people using it to punish those we disagree with. In a perfect world the marketplace of ideas would win out.

Unfortunately, we don’t live in that world.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Interesting! I always thought it was the latter, consistent with German folklore. I believe that’s what they were in the original fairytale as well. I know she calls them little men, but I figured that was just the best way she knew to describe them

I never thought of them as humans either, they always looked more like gnomes to me than people.

 

[LittleBuford]

A few things:

One, there seems to be certain sins that one can be redeemed from (eg., ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel and Ted Danson appearing in black face in recent years) and those who cannot (Megyn Kelly asking what the issue is with blackface). Second, there does seem to be some calculus as to how sincere the apology or attempt to remedy the “sin” is - was the attempt to recompense sincere, or is it a marketing/PR driven directive? Third, at least with the “free Palestine” comment, it seemed very oddly timed and, absent any other history of her supporting that cause prior to that, was viewed as a pretty explicit demonstration of her being an ally to those who were demonizing her co-star at the time (the first trailer had just dropped and Gadot was catching a lot of anti-Semitic hate in comments and social media). To the last point: has Zegler apologized publicly (or privately) for the pain she may have inflicted upon her costar?

I believe that forgiveness can be sought by, and should be given to, anyone who is sincerely sorry. My stance is underpinned in part by my faith, which, like Christianity, holds forgiveness as a central tenet.

Zegler has a long history of supporting the Palestinian cause (going back to 2021 at least), so the bolded is erroneous. I have already made clear that her apparent swipe at Gadot was entirely inappropriate. Recognising that and criticising her for it need not (and should not) entail slurring her as a supporter of terrorism.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I didn’t vote for such a person, and I won’t be voting with my feet (or wallet) by seeing Snow White in the theater. Happy now?

I also believe Alec Baldwin should have won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role in The Departed at a time he was routinely excoriating someone with my sort of political beliefs (at the time) and was behaving abhorrently towards his daughter. Despite all that, he is a brilliant actor and it was a travesty he was charged in the Rust shooting. See how easy that is?

I disagree about Baldwin. I never found him particularly compelling and I prefer the original Infernal Affairs to the remake.

As I said, I think Gadot has been unfairly attacked, often in very ugly ways. The problem is that I just don’t think she’s a very good actor.

 

[LittleBuford]

Then why try and misrepresent what I'm saying in the conversation?

I have not misrepresented anything. Others can decide for themselves.

Your posts and thoughts on her are the definition of support. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to take things out of contex to defend her.

I disagree, but you are free to think as you wish.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Let’s fight about actors!

I’ve liked some stuff Meryl Streep has been in, but I think she’s enormously overrated.

Chris Pratt is a great comedic actor, but he tries to be a conventional action hero and he’s not good at it.

 

[Trauma]

Forced? You have any proof of that or is this just an assumption on your part? How do you know she didn't come to terms with it herself and retracted what she said after thinking about it. This is called personal growth. Or do you think personal growth is not possible for a 23 year old?

Do you have any proof it wasn’t forced?

Do you think Disney doing everything it can to protect its film is not possible ?

 

[brideck]

Screening information is out for this weekend in my area, and Snow White is getting more at open than Mufasa, but less than Captain America: BNW.

Some recentish numbers for comparison (incomplete because I purge my records when I see movies, so now you can see what big movies I haven't seen in theaters):
97 - Captain America: BNW
93 - Quantumania
91 - The Little Mermaid
81 - Snow White
81 - The Marvels
79 - Sonic 3
73 - Mufasa

In Disney-adjacent news, Magazine Dreams also opens this weekend. This was the Searchlight release starring Jonathan Majors that Disney dropped in the wake of his trial and conviction.

 

[LittleBuford]

We heard for a number of years that “free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of your speech.” I’m fairly sure that was one sided as to who was using that statement. If that’s the standard than it should come as no surprise when one is “hoisted via their own petard.” No?

If that’s the standard, shouldn’t she be judged by that?

I’m likely the biggest proponent of free speech around here. I don’t usually quote movies, but ironically there is a swathe of the country that should read this quote (in part) till it sinks in:

"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

The irony of who the director of the American President is not lost on me.

I’m of the opinion of speech not being censored or people using it to punish those we disagree with. In a perfect world the marketplace of ideas would win out.

Unfortunately, we don’t live in that world.

I don't know what any of this has to do with my question. I asked what someone—anyone, not just Zegler—who says something inappropriate should do to make amends. My answer is that they should begin by reflecting on their mistake and offering an apology for it. What is your answer?

 

[easyrowrdw]

I think they are magical in the original fairytale. I never took them to be so in Disney's version.

I never thought of them as humans either, they always looked more like gnomes to me than people.

See, who says Snow White is dated? Even 88 years later, the movie is still spurring discussion!