Disstevefan1
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Yes.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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LittleBuford
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Just know that (as with all AI) it can generate incorrect information. It's always best to check a few (reliable) websites to verify whatever it's told you. Contrary to popular opinion, Wikipedia is for the most part a helpful and reliable source, and therefore a good first port of call.
Disney Irish
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No, just be aware that like all things AI generated it is not 100% accurate. Always verify what it gives you with the actual sources it pulls from. Don't take anything provided as being 100% accurate.
As they tell you in school, always research and verify. Think of it like doing a report.
Minnesota disney fan
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I am older than you and was out on the town boogeying my way through the 70's, and I don't remember it being quite as bleak as that.
Off the top of my head, I can think of several major network prime-time TV shows that had very positive and normalized gay representation starting around 1973 or so.... The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Maude, Soap, and I'm sure there were some others.
The references stick in my mind 50 years later because it was done so well then, and presented us as normal and routine parts of society. Sure, there were still a lot of gay jokes and gay double entendre going around in some adult-themed shows, but the early and mid 70's were also when gay folks could be on prime time networks and be shown as just average, normal Americans. It was a huge change, and we were thrilled. After all, you can't go from segregated drinking fountains to President Obama in only two years time; big societal change requires individual steps and subtle progression.
And then of course there's every single damn episode of The Hollywood Squares in the 1970's with Paul Lynde in the center square. That was always a good time!
I remember those shows from the 70's and you stated this exactly as I would, only better lol.
Gays were worked into the shows naturally. Noone thought anything of it. You were right, they were just shown as average people and accepted as such. Now, it seems to be a big deal. I was in high school in the 60's and we had gay kids, and who cared? We all treated each other the same. No one teased them, no comments were made. I guess times they have a changed!
LittleBuford
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Sodomy wasn't fully decriminalised in the US until 2003. Gay marriage wasn't federally recognised until 2015. I'm not sure how you can possibly assert that gay people were treated "the same" as everyone else in the '60s. That's just an untenable claim on its face.
TP2000
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For a casual side conversation on a discussion board? That seems excessive.
I could see if I was making a point about something involved and inherently on topic, like the name changes to the spinner ride in Tomorrowland and why (Which I don't need Google for because I naturally excel at Disneyland trivia; 1956-63 Astrojets, 1964-1966 Tomorrowland Jets, existing ride renamed due to sponsorship complaints, 1967-1997 Rocket Jets, 1998-Present Astro Orbitor. And yes, I'm a huge hit at parties!).
But I'm supposed to not trust Google any longer when I ask a quick trivia question or minor bit of info? And how much follow up time is required for each Google search to verify it's correct? And what tool do you use to double check Google? Is Yahoo! still around?
Agent H
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To be fair I think he means exclusively in tv shows
LittleBuford
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They also referred to their high school. The whole point of the comment was to contrast the situation today with an ideal(ised) past in which people supposedly didn't care about sexuality.
Disney Irish
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Well maybe spend more than 8 seconds, like maybe actually a few minutes or god-forbid like 10 or 15 minutes to actually research a topic before just making a snap judgement opinion. When I say research I'm not talking about like spending hours or days learning about something like you're trying to write an actual report. But do some verification and research on the results being given, don't just trust them outright.
By the way, I was putting it into a context the poster could understand, they are 17 after all.
TP2000
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I believe, and read it as such, that she was discussing her own family and social circle, not the legality of it all.
Hillary Clinton didn't support gay marriage when she ran for President in 2008, nor did Barack Obama when he ran for both his first and second terms. It was only after he was re-elected a second time in 2012 that he declared he had "evolved" on the issue and now suddenly supported gay marriage. During that timeframe, things were going swimmingly for gays and Lesbians otherwise.
I would agree with her recollection on that for the most part. I had a few cases in the 70's and 80's when my bosses had no problem passing me by for a promotion and told me it was because "they wanted a family man" to take the job instead of me. That was code for "We know you're gay, and we like you professionally, but we need to promote family men like Steve instead".
Otherwise, between a bunch of old church ladies who outed me and kicked me out of my family's longtime congregation, most of the 70's and 80's and into the 90's was no big deal for me or my friends. No segregated drinking fountains, no separate waiting rooms, no different schools or neighborhoods, etc. I honestly can't complain, but then I'm not Gen Z.
Tony the Tigger
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Just saw a video of a guy fact-checking Dave Grohl’s Super Bowl “Thank Canada” ad for Crown Royal. He would initially use ChatGPT and several times the response would be that X was invented in America. He would then ask, “Are you sure?” and get the correct answer. Sometimes he had to Google to confirm. The AI was pretty unreliable all around.
Minnesota disney fan
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I'm not talking about the entire world here, lol. I am commenting on my area of knowledge as having lived in the 60's going to high school and actually seeing how they were treated, that's all.
LittleBuford
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OK, but you framed it in terms of times having changed, as if referring to some generally observable social/cultural shift that has turned sexuality from a non-issue into an issue. If that wasn't what you meant, I'm not sure what the point of your post was.
Chi84
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I lived in the 60’s too and that’s not at all what I saw. You are fortunate to have gone to a school with kind and accepting students.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I'm not going to speak for the gay community here, but I'll just say that you two must have either lived in very accepting communities or aren't remembering or maybe aren't being truthful about that time period.
TalkingHead
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Really wondering how much less this movie would’ve made without Harrison Ford in the cast.
Disney Irish
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Does it matter, he's in it so brings whatever star power he still has to the movie.
LittleBuford
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I went to school in the '80s and '90s and was insulted for being gay on multiple occasions (even though I was deeply closeted at the time, including to myself). Only the other month, my partner and I were walking down the street (our hands not held together) and someone rolled down their car window to call us f_gs.
LittleBuford
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I mean, he just acknowledged that he was passed over for promotion because he was gay, which makes the denialism even more surreal!
TalkingHead
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Obviously it speaks to the franchise’s branding issues. This feature was tied closely to a D+ series just like The Marvels was. Neither one came storming out of the gates. The next Star Wars feature is following the same series-feature game plan. Bad idea.