brideck
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For sure. Mostly just trying to point out that TP is an inadequate Googler, which doesn't surprise me.
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For sure. Mostly just trying to point out that TP is an inadequate Googler, which doesn't surprise me.
Disney Irish
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Make sure? I'm sorry but what impact do you think you have on anything here? You pontificate about how this no nothing backwater site has no impact on anything in the Nielsen thread, but then make statements like this.
Those things are not necessarily incongruent of each other. One can course correct while still being able to tell progressive stories.
I think the grave digging on some of these movies has been way too premature, as seen by the recent performance of Mufasa (which by the way is just a stones throw away from $700M). So maybe slow your roll (as the kids say).The damage done to the Star Wars franchise is nearly criminal. And Marvel seems to be coasting on fumes now.
We've still got to get through Snow White next month and the horrendous PR its star created for herself repeatedly, and Captain America's box office is not at all promising so far. But I think by Christmas, 2025 and onward we'll start seeing the fruits of Bob's course correction at the box office.
Things aren't totally bleak. I mean, my gosh, I lived through the Herbie Goes Bananas era from Ron Miller!
LittleBuford
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The figures he gave are those generated by AI Overview. It’s a horrible feature, and I really hate that Google has imposed it on us (which doesn’t excuse his sloppy “research”, of course).
TP2000
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You're right. It gets tricky depending on how you type in the question to Google. I've now gotten 3 different answers with different phrasing, and gave up. I just did a hand count on the Wikipedia page and there were 110 players who were either Black or mixed race Black since 1958. When you back out the mixed race players, it dwindles fast.
Right now this season there's a Swedish-African mixed race player playing for the LA Kings. He was born in Sweden with one African parent. Fascinating! As a Swedish-American myself, I wonder if he escaped the childhood of Lutefisk dinners?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yep, the early part of this year has been bleak for releases. Makes you wonder why other studios didn't try to release more during the first 3 months of the year.
brideck
Well-Known Member
For sure. I just had it try to tell me the other day that the Fast & Furious franchise has won a bunch of acting Oscars when it meant to say that actors who have won Oscars also star in some of those movies.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I guess we should be grateful that it isn't yet as smart as us human beings. If the robots are going to take over one day, I hope it'll be after my time!
TP2000
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I have no impact on the actual product. I'm just here to discuss it on what we call a "Discussion Forum". It's a fun hobby!
Sure, but you need to tell the "progressive" story for its own sake. Not shoehorn in "progressive" stuff just to virtue signal and stick it to your audience who you apparently dislike and don't trust. (Warning: Just a random comment not referencing any one person, just a broader example based on several leaked Zoom meetings and interviews from Disney studio execs, and that hilariously stupid Bud Light exec who got fired after she pulled the Dylan Mulvaney stunt, bragged how much she disliked her core customers, and thus tanked the entire and once iconic brand, etc.)
Which is why I used the wording "not at all promising so far".
I think in two weeks we'll know for sure on Captain America.
Is that what's going on with Google now? I've noticed the search results have a different format lately, and this most recent search was a great example of changing results. After getting the first result of "26", I typed it again a different way and got a new number different from the first. Then a third time using past tense gave me something else entirely.
I finally just had to count to 110 my damn self on a Wikipedia page.
Yikes. What's the punishment for an unclear Google search here? I can't be the only one who occasionally goes to Google when its a topic I'm not naturally familiar with. The topic of "How many Black players are in the NHL" was new to me, so I Googled it.
Is that 3 Demerits? Or has it already gone straight to a First Verbal Warning? I'll want to know for my records.
I do find it curious that the same people that want Disney to keep Rachel Zegler quiet…. Lament that Gina Caramo had her first amendments rights trampled on( they weren’t)
TP2000
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I'm not sure who Gina Caramo is, and now I'm suddenly leery of going to Google.
But the Rachel Zegler thing, spread over several different interviews and planned statements over several years, is a textbook way to damage not just your own brand, but the product you are being paid to shill for. It's a PR firms worst nightmare from Miss Zegler.
I'm going to be really interested to see how they market Snow White next month, and how they use Miss Zegler to do that.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
So you aren't actually "making sure" on anything then, got it.
Problem with that is that these days something that is organic and natural to many may seem like virtue signaling and shoehorned to a minority of others. So damned if you do and damned if you don't. Which is why you just have to tell the stories the filmmakers want to tell and let the chips fall where they may.
As it has a clear run of the theaters for the next month it'll be longer than 2 weeks before we know. Again using the example of Mufasa, if you called it just 2 weeks after release you'd have been dead wrong. Which is why you can't just say after x amount of time we'll know. You have to stick with the entire theatrical run, not just a certain time frame within it.
Google has always adjusted their results based on a number of factors including putting paid results to the top. Its why you cannot just rely on a Google search to tell you something, you actually have to do research to know if its accurate or not.
Or maybe do actual research and not just an 8 second Google search and assume you know everything about a topic.
TP2000
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I still really don't know much about the Black men who have played in the NHL in the past 100 years. But at least I do know now that there have been 110 of them, so far.
Other than that, I made no claims to know "everything" about that topic. I was quite clear that I am not a hockey fan, rarely attend hockey games (but when I do, it's with Lesbians wearing flannel), and I had no idea about it and thus had to go check Google for some more info on it.
I'm sure you've used Google here in your discussions and commentary.
TP2000
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Quoting for posterity, as this just made my whole day! I needed that one, thank you.
You've inspired me to change my signature line, in fact.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yes we know, you went to some game in the 1990s in Portland and think that still represents the NHL fan community globally.I still really don't know much about the Black men who have played in the NHL in the past 100 years. But at least I do know now that there have been 110 of them, so far.
Other than that, I made no claims to know "everything" about that topic. I was quite clear that I am not a hockey fan, rarely attend hockey games (but when I do, it's with Lesbians wearing flannel), and I had no idea about it and thus had to go check Google for some more info on it.
I'm sure you've used Google here in your discussions and commentary.
As for Google, even if I use it I do more than just take 8 seconds on whatever results it gives me to form an opinion. I actually research the results, verify with multiple sources, and check to see if those can be verified as accurate. I don't just accept the first result it gives and think that is the answer.
LittleBuford
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Before the introduction of AI Overview, the top result would be a featured snippet of an actual website. That snippet wasn't always correct, of course, but it tended to be more useful than whatever (mis)information is being spewed out now. But yes, I agree that it's never been enough just to rely on a quick search result without bothering to verify its accuracy.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Exactly, most people don't even realize how Google actually curates its results. Especially not even aware that the first results are usually the sites that pay to have their site listed first. So you theoretically could be getting purposely inaccurate information all because someone paid to have that result first. Now you'd hope that Google would be a good citizen and ensure this doesn't happen, but they are a business and make money off it, almighty dollar rules everything.
Bottom line, never just trust the results outright. Research and verify.
TP2000
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Well, when you work from home like you do, there's apparently plenty of time in the day. Enjoy that luxury!
I'm retired, and will be heading to the supermarket soon as my day's big activity, so I can only dedicate about 8 seconds to find out how many Black men have played in the NHL. Only so many hours in the day, unfortunately.
BRAIN SPARK! I just remembered, I attended several (at least two, maybe three?) Ducks games in Anaheim during the 2000's, perhaps even early 2010's. I don't remember much of the game, but I remember who I was with and that I was enthralled with this remote controlled blimp they sent out over the crowd to drop gift certificates to Ralph's supermarket. That was far more exciting for me than the actual games, but I wasn't able to catch one of the gift certificates.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
My work location has nothing to do with my ability to know that you don't just trust the Google search results outright. I get more done in one hour than most do all day while in an office setting, all while still posting on this site. So don't play that crap with me, we've had this discussion before and it didn't fly then and it won't now.Well, when you work from home like you do, there's apparently plenty of time in the day. Enjoy that luxury!
I'm retired, and will be heading to the supermarket soon as my day's big activity, so I can only dedicate about 8 seconds to find out how many Black men have played in the NHL. Only so many hours in the day, unfortunately.
Also as someone who is retired you have more free time than anyone on this site to do proper research if you wanted to. So this "only so many hours in the day" crap doesn't fly with me, sir.
Chi84
Premium Member
You’re assuming proper research and accuracy are some kind of goals here.
Doesn’t the fact that this thread has devolved into a discussion about how many black people play or watch NFL hockey point to a different goal altogether?
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