Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[DKampy]

I noticed 1 in particular that hijacked the thread incessantly…post after post saying the same things with the same graphs and numbers…he made it impossible to have any civil discussion… many people that started in the thread left… I stayed…. As someone who goes to the theater every weekend I am very interested in the box office… it made it nearly impossible to have any normal discussion with someone who continues to post who does not understand or is interested in movies… he has been suspiciously quiet now that Disney is successful

I don’t understand why others feel so defensive on the matter

 

[TP2000]

This thread is not the same without TP2000.

That's kind, but I've just been quite busy the past few weeks hosting a few big parties (that sounded like a good idea at the time) and being generally sociable. Then when I broke away a bit to check the forums, I was slapped in the face with the idiocy coming out of D23 Expo and had to fire off a few thoughts over in those threads before I went back to my busy August schedule.

I'm way behind on those threads too! I haven't even had a chance to post in the Coco Boat Ride thread, or the Avatar Land stuff either. I'm hoping to catch up on all the DCA stuff announced at D23 by next week over in the Disneyland forum, plus do a fun Summer Box Office Wrap Up for us here as well!

Agreed… this thread is not the same now that Disney is the top performing studio at the box office

I too am mourning the loss of Buddy. It's just not the same without him. I hope he's okay, and just has a busy summer schedule to attend to.

In the meantime, here's the box office update going into this weekend! The way Disney's two blockbusters are still performing into the third weekend in August, it might be premature to try and do a Summer Box Office Wrap Up even by Labor Day weekend!

The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Sunday December 22, 2024

Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Sunday December 22, 2024

www.the-numbers.com

 

[Chi84]

Anyways, back to our regularly scheduled program.

With these numbers out for Preview Thursday, other than maybe flipping which Disney movie is #1 and #2, I don't see much being different this weekend -

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Honestly, it is nice to see them having so much success lately. It’s been a rough few years for the box office; good to see people supporting theaters.

 

[TP2000]

I noticed 1 in particular that hijacked the thread incessantly…post after post saying the same things with the same graphs and numbers…he made it impossible to have any civil discussion…

Hard facts and data about Box Office get you down?

In defense of the data, it changes every week for newer films so it's helpful to update it as it changes. And then in retrospect, it paints a very clear picture of the response by global audiences in a free market once the films leave theaters.

I find that type of data and factual box office information interesting in general, which is why this thread was created by someone else, to discuss box office facts and data. That leaves the individual movie threads open for discussions about plots and artistic opinions of the various movies.

 

[erasure fan1]

When did I say everyone? I was quite specific in my characterisation, and I stand by it.

You missed the point. I'm not saying you said everyone. My point is, there have been people who have said bad things. But inevitably it turns into, the thread was all about political hate stuff. It wasn't. That's how this part of the conversation started. "It was used for xyz agenda..." Sure, some did, but not the majority. So I get it, you don't want to let ignorance "win". Just because you don't acknowledge them and you engage with the people who are arguing in good faith, doesn't mean you lost and the troll wins. That's all. We should ALL be able to argue in good faith no matter the side. That's the point of the forums. And when a dill hole tries to go disrespectful, let the mods take care of it.

 

[Chi84]

You missed the point. I'm not saying you said everyone. My point is, there have been people who have said bad things. But inevitably it turns into, the thread was all about political hate stuff. It wasn't. That's how this part of the conversation started. "It was used for xyz agenda..." Sure, some did, but not the majority. So I get it, you don't want to let ignorance "win". Just because you don't acknowledge them and you engage with the people who are arguing in good faith, doesn't mean you lost and the troll wins. That's all. We should ALL be able to argue in good faith no matter the side. That's the point of the forums. And when a dill hole tries to go disrespectful, let the mods take care of it.

They’re good at handling disrespectful, but it’s hard to handle the kind of repetitious nonsense that drove a lot of people away. I’m a huge advocate of using the ignore button but not everyone agrees.

 

[erasure fan1]

Sorry, but that didn’t happen. Pretty much all of us have left negative assessments of one film or other in these threads, and no-one has been told off or chased out because of it.

It absolutely did. It was said, and I believe mom said it too, take the box office to a different thread. So we did. The main thread was two pages back within a couple days. And the you just hate Disney then followed us to the other thread.

If your idea is to leave a thread to not to follow the "negative" talk that you disagree with, well then you might as well just not post on this site at all then.

Totally agree, every thread has negativity. But my examples were of threads that took the negative talk elsewhere. So you can choose to engage, sure, I'm not saying not too. I'm saying why engage if it was a problem in the other thread?

and the only reason it quieted down over here is because Disney is doing better at the box office.

As it should have been expected by anyone paying attention. Again it was a thread started because of the negative box office. Like what @Vegas Disney Fan said. We were talking about the why. So of course when they are doing better there's not nearly as much to say about it. Most is being said in the actual threads.

 

[Disney Irish]

Hard facts and data about Box Office get you down?

In defense of the data, it changes every week for newer films so it's helpful to update it as it changes. And then in retrospect, it paints a very clear picture of the response by global audiences in a free market once the films leave theaters.

I find that type of data and factual box office information interesting in general, which is why this thread was created by someone else, to discuss box office facts and data. That leaves the individual movie threads open for discussions about plots and artistic opinions of the various movies.

No one here has issues with the box office data, as long as it allowed to stand on its own when its posted. Its the commentary used to frame that data into a narrative that goes along with the posting of the box office data that many had issues with.

A good example of posting data and allowing it to stand on its own with no commentary is @MisterPenguin posting the weekly Nielsen numbers. That data is used elsewhere if someone wants to comment on it, but in the post of the data there is no commentary, the numbers are allowed to stand on their own.

 

[erasure fan1]

They’re good at handling disrespectful, but it’s hard to handle the kind of repetitious nonsense that drove a lot of people away. I’m a huge advocate of using the ignore button but not everyone agrees.

True. But I've never found arguing with them all that useful. Don't get me wrong, I've been sucked in more than a couple times. But in general, the less of a platform they're given, the less power they have.

 

[Chi84]

And the you just hate Disney then followed us to the other thread.

So why not just ignore them or report the posts as off-topic?

 

[MisterPenguin]

A good example of posting data and allowing it to stand on its own with no commentary is @MisterPenguin posting the weekly Nielsen numbers. That data is used elsewhere if someone wants to comment on it, but in the post of the data there is no commentary, the numbers are allowed to stand on their own.

I apologize for not circling in shaky thick red lines Nielsen data which is embarrassing to Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

I apologize for not circling in shaky thick red lines Nielsen data which is embarrassing to Disney.

Shame on you for posting fair and impartial data.

 

[Chi84]

True. But I've never found arguing with them all that useful. Don't get me wrong, I've been sucked in more than a couple times. But in general, the less of a platform they're given, the less power they have.

It’s not about power as much as craving attention.

 

[erasure fan1]

So why not just ignore them or report the posts as off-topic?

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm only saying it now because of how this part of the discussion started. And I wanted to show it isn't all negativity for the sake of hating Disney. And that a lot of the issues escalated because people were discussing what was a very negative subject at the time. And if people didn't want to talk about it, no one had to. If you want to, great I'm all in for a disagreement if both sides are in good faith.

 

[LittleBuford]

You missed the point. I'm not saying you said everyone. My point is, there have been people who have said bad things. But inevitably it turns into, the thread was all about political hate stuff. It wasn't. That's how this part of the conversation started. "It was used for xyz agenda..." Sure, some did, but not the majority. So I get it, you don't want to let ignorance "win". Just because you don't acknowledge them and you engage with the people who are arguing in good faith, doesn't mean you lost and the troll wins. That's all. We should ALL be able to argue in good faith no matter the side. That's the point of the forums. And when a dill hole tries to go disrespectful, let the mods take care of it.

I agree with much of this, but I’m not referring to the sort of obvious incendiary trolling that gets moderated away. I’m talking about something more polished and insidious than that. Yes, I have the option to ignore it, but looking away doesn’t come easily to me, and the best I’ve managed is to try to limit the extent to which I engage.

 

[erasure fan1]

A good example of posting data and allowing it to stand on its own with no commentary is @MisterPenguin posting the weekly Nielsen numbers. That data is used elsewhere if someone wants to comment on it, but in the post of the data there is no commentary, the numbers are allowed to stand on their own.

I don't know, I don't think there's anything wrong with posting data and giving your opinion. That's what, I think, most of us are here for. I can pull all the same data. I'm here to talk about it. As long as the data is posted accurately and not fabricated, if you want to give your opinion on what it means. Great! Nothing wrong with that. So if penguin wants say something after posting the numbers, great, lets have a discussion.

 

[LittleBuford]

It absolutely did. It was said, and I believe mom said it too, take the box office to a different thread. So we did. The main thread was two pages back within a couple days. And the you just hate Disney then followed us to the other thread.

You said that only positive talk was tolerated in the main thread. That simply isn’t true. Anyway, the thread is there for anyone to check for themselves.

 

[LittleBuford]

No one here has issues with the box office data, as long as it allowed to stand on its own when its posted. Its the commentary used to frame that data into a narrative that goes along with the posting of the box office data that many had issues with.

A good example of posting data and allowing it to stand on its own with no commentary is @MisterPenguin posting the weekly Nielsen numbers. That data is used elsewhere if someone wants to comment on it, but in the post of the data there is no commentary, the numbers are allowed to stand on their own.

I disagree. I have no problem with commentary; on the contrary, I welcome it and think it has a very legitimate place in threads like this. What I don’t like is ideological stirring disguised as commentary.

 

[erasure fan1]

You said that only positive talk was tolerated in the main thread. That simply isn’t true. Anyway, the thread is there for anyone to check for themselves.

I don't think I did. I did say people didn't want the negative talk. But I put the negative in quotes because the "negative" we've been talking about this whole discussion was the box-office negativity. So I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, I assumed it would be taken in the context of the discussion.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't know, I don't think there's anything wrong with posting data and giving your opinion. That's what, I think, most of us are here for. I can pull all the same data. I'm here to talk about it. As long as the data is posted accurately and not fabricated, if you want to gove your opinion on what it means. Great! Nothing wrong with that. So if penguin wants say something after posting the numbers, great, lets have a discussion.

I disagree. I have no problem with commentary; on the contrary, I welcome it and think it has a very legitimate place in threads like this. What I don’t like is ideological stirring disguised as commentary.

Its the commentary that is framing the data to push a narrative under the guise of trying to be witty with the requisite emoji that I have an issue with; something I find more often than not when the Box Office graphs were posted by that poster.

Its why the way @MisterPenguin does it is better. He still posts his comments on the data elsewhere, even in the same thread sometimes, but the data is allowed to stand on its own when presented.