Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

But wasn't this thread started because some people got mad because the negativity in the main threads? And didn't want to hear about box-office and that stuff?

The problem is no one's complaining in the main threads when talking about box-office because it's been pretty positive. The people who wanted to discuss the issues were forced out of the main threads. Now, there's not much to discuss outside of what's already in the main threads. So yea, this thread has died down.

The thread was started because people were trying to use the box office numbers to create narrative about Disney at the time, and it was decided to create a thread to talk about the box office numbers. Which as @Chi84 pointed out, also went sideways because instead of discussing the actual numbers it was used to frame a narrative and gripe about Disney. Many times over the Mods have come in this thread and said stick to the numbers, including recently.

Once the Disney Box Office woes were over, so were the gripe and narrative conversations. So this wasn't really a box office thread then, it was a gripe fest thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

While I think Deadpool will end up on top, it is far from a guarentee, and some are predicting differentely...

‘Alien: Romulus’ To Continue Face-Hug Of Box Office Despite Three Wide Entries As Summer Slows Down

'Alien: Romulus' is expected to hold at No. 1 for the second weekend in a row at the domestic box office. That will make No. 1 weekends for Disney this summer.

deadline.com

Variety also has it very close

Box Office: ‘Blink Twice’ Makes $820,000 in Previews, ‘The Crow’ Has $650,000

'The Crow' and 'Blink Twice' are opening at the box office.

variety.com

We'll see what happens. But either way if its Romulus or DP&W it'll still be a Disney #1 weekend.

 

[erasure fan1]

Both threads went sideways because people insisted on using the box office numbers to discuss their opinions on controversial social issues.

A bit, but it wasn't the majority, and that's the issue. You get a few yahoos and it becomes, anyone who's negative gets the, hateful agenda label. But if a thread is created for a purpose, and you don't like said discussion, the other thread is still there. No one has to join in talking about box-office. That was more my point.

 

[Chi84]

A bit, but it wasn't the majority, and that's the issue. You get a few yahoos and it becomes, anyone who's negative gets the, hateful agenda label. But if a thread is created for a purpose, and you don't like said discussion, the other thread is still there. No one has to join in talking about box-office. That was more my point.

The few yahoos were posting nonstop, essentially hijacking the thread.

 

[erasure fan1]

Which as @Chi84 pointed out, also went sideways because instead of discussing the actual numbers it was used to frame a narrative and gripe about Disney.

But you can't talk about the numbers without getting into the why. It just doesn't work. If anyone was inappropriate, mods need to discuss that with each individual. As a whole, the people who think it went sideways were the ones trying to stick up for Disneys poor performance at that time. But in my opinion it was mostly fine discussion. As I've said, some tried to take it sideways. But most remained civil.

 

[Disney Irish]

But you can't talk about the numbers without getting into the why. It just doesn't work. If anyone was inappropriate, mods need to discuss that with each individual. As a whole, the people who think it went sideways were the ones trying to stick up for Disneys poor performance at that time. But in my opinion it was mostly fine discussion. As I've said, some tried to take it sideways. But most remained civil.

You can talk though about the numbers without getting into the politics and everything else that was discussed over the last year in this thread. And just because it remained civil doesn't mean it didn't go sideways many times.

 

[erasure fan1]

The few yahoos were posting nonstop, essentially hijacking the thread.

To be fair, responding to them was just as harmful to the thread. Like I said with mermaid, a thread was specifically created for the people to talk about what the issues were. But it was infiltrated with people who kept trying to defend the film by yelling at the people who were discussing it. We left the other thread, no one had to follow. Same as this thread, it was discussing box office and at the time that was really bad. So why jump in a thread that is going to be negative? Anything that's being talked about, can be talked about in the main thread. And it goes both ways.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

But you can't talk about the numbers without getting into the why. It just doesn't work. If anyone was inappropriate, mods need to discuss that with each individual. As a whole, the people who think it went sideways were the ones trying to stick up for Disneys poor performance at that time. But in my opinion it was mostly fine discussion. As I've said, some tried to take it sideways. But most remained civil.

The “why” is why forums are fun, if I just wanted the numbers I could easily just Google them, talking about the why is why we’re here.

Right or wrong we (people in general) enjoy debating our points of view, it’s why topics involving social issues, political issues, or other controversial issues like filling in the rivers of America turn into massive threads while something like good box office reports tend to get quiet, “debating” about whether a space deserves to exist simply for being scenic will get hundreds of different opinions, debating whether a movie like IO2 was good won’t because nearly everyone has the same opinion that it was good.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

To be fair, responding to them was just as harmful to the thread. Like I said with mermaid, a thread was specifically created for the people to talk about what the issues were. But it was infiltrated with people who kept trying to defend the film by yelling at the people who were discussing it. We left the other thread, no one had to follow. Same as this thread, it was discussing box office and at the time that was really bad. So why jump in a thread that is going to be negative? Anything that's being talked about, can be talked about in the main thread. And it goes both ways.

Highlights my post above, “their” side likes to debate just as much as “our” side, we all complain about the other sides negativity/pixie dust but when the complaints result in those people leaving and starting a new thread the original thread becomes boring, so those that originally complained about the other side will go find the new thread to continue arguing their case, we all do it.

 

[Disney Irish]

To be fair, responding to them was just as harmful to the thread. Like I said with mermaid, a thread was specifically created for the people to talk about what the issues were. But it was infiltrated with people who kept trying to defend the film by yelling at the people who were discussing it. We left the other thread, no one had to follow. Same as this thread, it was discussing box office and at the time that was really bad. So why jump in a thread that is going to be negative? Anything that's being talked about, can be talked about in the main thread. And it goes both ways.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Because the way you're framing this is that only people that were "defending" Disney's Box Office at the time were the negative ones, and that is 100% not true. The negativity was on both sides, which is why the threads went sideways.

 

[Chi84]

To be fair, responding to them was just as harmful to the thread. Like I said with mermaid, a thread was specifically created for the people to talk about what the issues were. But it was infiltrated with people who kept trying to defend the film by yelling at the people who were discussing it. We left the other thread, no one had to follow. Same as this thread, it was discussing box office and at the time that was really bad. So why jump in a thread that is going to be negative? Anything that's being talked about, can be talked about in the main thread. And it goes both ways.

There was yelling because some people were posting bikini shots of the star and basically calling her a [censored].

Yes, people can choose not to respond to that stuff but it is difficult.

 

[LittleBuford]

The “why” is why forums are fun, if I just wanted the numbers I could easily just Google them, talking about the why is why we’re here.

I agree. The problem, however, is that the person who had the most to say about the “why” had no direct knowledge whatsoever of any of the films he was incessantly posting about. A real discussion becomes quite impossible under those circumstances.

 

[LittleBuford]

To be fair, responding to them was just as harmful to the thread.

I don’t like to see trolls dominate the discourse. And even the wittiest, most genteel trolling is just trolling when all is said and done.

 

[erasure fan1]

I'm sorry but I disagree. Because the way you're framing this is that only people that were "defending" Disney's Box Office at the time were the negative ones, and that is 100% not true. The negativity was on both sides, which is why the threads went sideways.

No. I said if you know a thread is negative why jump in? I didn't say the defenders were negative. I said responding to the yahoos was just as detrimental to the thread. I also said that the whole thread was negative, and it goes both ways. So I never just singled out the supporters, that's you injecting that. My overall point was, if a thread moves, don't follow it. That's why i said it goes both ways. When the main mermaid thread wanted the "negative" talk gone so they could talk sunshine and roses, guess what? I left and went to the other thread and didn't go back. I wasn't going to go back and try and convince anyone that the movie was as bad as I thought it was.

 

[Chi84]

No. I said if you know a thread is negative why jump in? I didn't say the defenders were negative. I said responding to the yahoos was just as detrimental to the thread. I also said that the whole thread was negative, and it goes both ways. So I never just singled out the supporters, that's you injecting that. My overall point was, if a thread moves, don't follow it. That's why i said it goes both ways. When the main mermaid thread wanted the "negative" talk gone so they could talk sunshine and roses, guess what? I left and went to the other thread and didn't go back. I wasn't going to go back and try and convince anyone that the movie was as bad as I thought it was.

It was a really good movie! It expanded the role of Prince Eric and gave him a great song.

I especially liked the theme of father-daughter love and learning to grow together and show respect.

Songs were excellent.

 

[LittleBuford]

When the main mermaid thread wanted the "negative" talk gone so they could talk sunshine and roses, guess what? I left and went to the other thread and didn't go back. I wasn't going to go back and try and convince anyone that the movie was as bad as I thought it was.

Sorry, but that didn’t happen. Pretty much all of us have left negative assessments of one film or other in these threads, and no-one has been told off or chased out because of it. There’s a world of difference between, on the one hand, offering a considered criticism of something you’ve seen firsthand and, on the other, using a film as a mere pretext for ideological venting. (For what it’s worth, I associate you very much with the former mode.)

 

[Disney Irish]

No. I said if you know a thread is negative why jump in? I didn't say the defenders were negative. I said responding to the yahoos was just as detrimental to the thread. I also said that the whole thread was negative, and it goes both ways. So I never just singled out the supporters, that's you injecting that. My overall point was, if a thread moves, don't follow it. That's why i said it goes both ways. When the main mermaid thread wanted the "negative" talk gone so they could talk sunshine and roses, guess what? I left and went to the other thread and didn't go back. I wasn't going to go back and try and convince anyone that the movie was as bad as I thought it was.

However that's not really the way it came across, sorry but its not.

Also what we're really talking about here is the overall discourse of the forums, specifically within this subsection. Its not just isolated to this thread as you've pointed out. If your idea is to leave a thread to not to follow the "negative" talk that you disagree with, well then you might as well just not post on this site at all then. Because its infiltrated the entire board, and the only reason it quieted down over here is because Disney is doing better at the box office. The Mods do the best they can but it can't be avoided. You're going to have posters that want to hijack the entire thread for whatever purpose and other posters follow and add on.

The point is you're going to have trolls, it just happens. But I think most of us try to have a good discourse even when we disagree.

 

[erasure fan1]

There was yelling because some people were posting bikini shots of the star and basically calling her a [censored].

Yes, people can choose not to respond to that stuff but it is difficult.

I don’t like to see trolls dominate the discourse. And even the wittiest, most genteel trolling is just trolling when all is said and done.

I get it, I do. But remember it's not the majority. Just because the box office thread was negative, of course it was, based on what was happening at the time, doesn't mean everyone was trolling. Don't condemn the people talking, let the Mods clean it up or try to only engage people who are obviously not trolling.

 

[LittleBuford]

Just because the box office thread was negative, of course it was, based on what was happening at the time, doesn't mean everyone was trolling.

When did I say everyone? I was quite specific in my characterisation, and I stand by it.

 

[Disney Irish]

Anyways, back to our regularly scheduled program.

With these numbers out for Preview Thursday, other than maybe flipping which Disney movie is #1 and #2, I don't see much being different this weekend -