LittleBuford
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I can’t speak for others, but my objection to AI isn’t about people losing their jobs (unfortunate as that would be); it’s about the loss in quality that would inevitably result from ditching actual voice actors.
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erasure fan1
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He also said it has been happening throughout history and he was railed on for that. It doesn't bother me because I know it won't happen to any amount of success in, probably my lifetime. If he thinks it a good idea, that's fine. But he's really not wrong with the other part. Replacing everyone with AI = bad. Using it to streamline some things and speed up post and making adjustments = good.
LittleBuford
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Because that was beside the point.
erasure fan1
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Maybe. But it was made to be a point by all the reaction. And that's the point I saw.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Go review the 2023 Strike thread where AI was also brought up. TP made it pretty clear he is for the wholesale replacement of all actors across the board. Whether we think it’s a useful tool or not he is basically advocating (even if he doesn’t like that word used here) for the acting profession to be completely replaced by AI. That isn’t just a few jobs here and there replaced by technology, that is a whole industry. As why stop there, as once you don’t need actors you really don’t need directors at least not in the same way. And then AI is already talked about replacing writers, so there goes that. Basically except for Studio execs, the whole industry can be replaced by AI at that point.
I know this is an extreme take on this but even as someone who works with AI I know there has to be limitations put on its use.
LittleBuford
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Perhaps you're referring to others' reactions, but as (I believe) the first person to respond to him on the matter, I can assure you that my annoyance was based entirely on his claim that mere "cartoons" can do without real voice acting (because you can't actually see the actor on screen!) and that AI replacements would be "perfectly acceptable". As someone who is passionate about Disney and Pixar animation and actually watches the films in question, I find his position extremely dismissive of the artistry and talent that most of us as Disney fans value. That is what I was responding to. All the subsequent nonsense about Steno Pools and Perot was just an elaborate distraction.
Again, this is where it all began, and what prompted the ensuing reaction:
"It's a cartoon. You can't see the human doing the voiceover work. Just get AI to do it, and that could cut way down on the bloated budgets Disney and Pixar use for their animated films that no longer seem to break even at the box office."
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Tony the Tigger
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I have not.
Not to mention actors help sell the movie.
Here is the lion King starring James Earl Jones versus here is the lion King with some guy.
BuddyThomas
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For your information, toward the end of the film, they show a picture of the American ambasssador who will end up as Damien’s father. The photo is of Gregory Peck, from the original film.I’ve read interviews with the director where she suggests this film could touch off an entirely new series within the franchise.
You would know this if you had bothered to do some research on the film instead of just pick fights.
Is ‘The First Omen’ Setting Up a New Series for the Classic Horror Franchise?
Spoilers: Arkasha Stevenson's prequel is set before the first "Omen" film, but any future follow-ups have some serious timeline freedom.www.indiewire.com
BuddyThomas
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What is the point of this comment other than to spread more snark?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Any sequel would probably take the story away from the original film series
and be with the mother and twin daughter.
Edit - To add a spoiler tag, at some posters requests, even though the movie has been out awhile with plenty of opportunity to see it.
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yep, imagine trying to sell the movie with your favorite AI. Sells itself doesn't it.....
brb1006
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To put it brief, the original concept for Wish has Star having the ability to shapeshift into various creatures and characters which would been the perfect opportunity for the character to change into different Disney Characters. Asha was going to have a unique personality instead of being a generic Disney heroine, and Queen Amaya was originally going to be evil which would had been Disney's first villain couple. Even the film's concept art showed how much potential Wish had prior to Executes demanding the film's story changes.
BuddyThomas
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I am EXTREMELY disturbed by this. I entered ino AI the following command: “Write a gay play”.
The below is what it generated, in less than 5 seconds.
What the……?!!!!???!!!???
Title: "Love Unspoken"
Act I:
The play opens in a trendy coffee shop in the heart of the city. We meet our protagonist, JASON, a successful event planner in his mid-30s, who is struggling to find meaningful connections in his life. He confides in his best friend, SARAH, a fiery and outspoken activist, about his frustrations with the dating scene.
As they chat, a handsome stranger, MIKE, catches Jason's eye. They exchange a flirtatious glance, but Mike quickly leaves the coffee shop, leaving Jason wondering if he'll ever see him again.
Act II:
Jason and Sarah attend a local LGBTQ+ rally, where they run into Mike, who is volunteering at the event. They strike up a conversation, and Jason learns that Mike is a writer and a passionate advocate for queer rights.
As they grow closer, Jason finds himself opening up to Mike in ways he never thought possible. They share stories, laughter, and a romantic dinner, and Jason begins to feel a sense of belonging he's never experienced before.
Act III:
As their relationship blossoms, Jason and Mike face challenges from both within and outside their community. They confront issues like internalized homophobia, societal expectations, and the struggles of queer representation.
Through it all, they find strength in each other and in their shared experiences. The play culminates with a powerful declaration of love and a commitment to fighting for a world where all queer voices can be heard.
Themes:
- The struggle for self-acceptance and love in a society that often seeks to erase queer identities
- The power of community and found family in the LGBTQ+ experience
- The importance of representation and visibility in the fight for queer rights
Tone:
- Heartwarming and humorous, with a touch of sass and wit
- Poignant and emotional, with a deep respect for the queer experience
Note: This is a brief outline, and the play would need to be developed further with more detailed character development, plot points, and dialogue.
The below is what it generated, in less than 5 seconds.
What the……?!!!!???!!!???
Title: "Love Unspoken"
Act I:
The play opens in a trendy coffee shop in the heart of the city. We meet our protagonist, JASON, a successful event planner in his mid-30s, who is struggling to find meaningful connections in his life. He confides in his best friend, SARAH, a fiery and outspoken activist, about his frustrations with the dating scene.
As they chat, a handsome stranger, MIKE, catches Jason's eye. They exchange a flirtatious glance, but Mike quickly leaves the coffee shop, leaving Jason wondering if he'll ever see him again.
Act II:
Jason and Sarah attend a local LGBTQ+ rally, where they run into Mike, who is volunteering at the event. They strike up a conversation, and Jason learns that Mike is a writer and a passionate advocate for queer rights.
As they grow closer, Jason finds himself opening up to Mike in ways he never thought possible. They share stories, laughter, and a romantic dinner, and Jason begins to feel a sense of belonging he's never experienced before.
Act III:
As their relationship blossoms, Jason and Mike face challenges from both within and outside their community. They confront issues like internalized homophobia, societal expectations, and the struggles of queer representation.
Through it all, they find strength in each other and in their shared experiences. The play culminates with a powerful declaration of love and a commitment to fighting for a world where all queer voices can be heard.
Themes:
- The struggle for self-acceptance and love in a society that often seeks to erase queer identities
- The power of community and found family in the LGBTQ+ experience
- The importance of representation and visibility in the fight for queer rights
Tone:
- Heartwarming and humorous, with a touch of sass and wit
- Poignant and emotional, with a deep respect for the queer experience
Note: This is a brief outline, and the play would need to be developed further with more detailed character development, plot points, and dialogue.
If AI is good enough to replace his brother, it is probably good enough to replace Tom.
That is just the start. You are only seeing what it can do with minimal investment compared to what could be done.
I had it write a pretty decent home alone stunt show.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Nice to know you’re fine with replacing America’s Dad with AI.
Who said fine with it? It is what matters to the company.
Again, you conflate being realistic that it can happen with it happening. He is great, but it is silly to think AI could not replicate Woody the Cowboy when his brother is good enough so much of the time(and investment) for Disney. I think you must concede that Disney would be the ones fine with it.
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
So I'll just flat out ask, are you as a consumer of not only movies in general but also Disney content fine with an actor like Tom Hanks being replaced by AI? If not why not? And if so why are you fine with it?
As for conceding Disney would be fine with it, no I'll not concede as they have not yet done such as thing. So I don't know how internally they feel about Tom or his brother or any actor for that matter being replaced by AI for Woody or any other character.
I think it would be a bummer in certain ways because it was not the world I was born into. As a consumer it is a very different world for me in many ways as well. I have made most of my money off of the live entertainment industry or education of such. Cinema is a close study of mine.
I think it is an inevitible shift that it will become much more common.
What I know is Tom Hanks is 67.(wild to think and more like America's Grandpa) Let's for hypothetical say he and his brother died before they made Toy Story 5 in a tragic accident so Disney is stuck making the choice of AI to profit off of his voice in a database that replicates it to make the film the way they intended to produce it. So whether you concede or not, they show they would be ok with it since Mr. Potato Head in Toy Story 4.
Regardless of how we feel about it, it is growing to be an entirely realistic scenario as they have done this with Software with Don Rickles' previously recorded material and tech tweaks to help it flow. They profiteered off of a dead person's essence through technology (which Hollywood does all of the time of course as things are recorded and synthesized in various mediums. Tech just keeps changing) AI is on its way to continue to assist with this.
So is using the technology to give random recordings a flow into a script wrong when a sound alike could have done it? Is that not wrong to auditioning voice actors? They chose machine, the database, over human.
It is irrelevant to what we think about it. It will go that way more frequently when profitable or creative choice.
It is silly to limit it to only actors or think their work is more resistant or difficult. (Live performance may be somewhat safer for visceral experiences such as touring theater but tech makes smaller casts and such possible too) Crews in post-production and effects have had their world change by AI. As have educators and others. And as frustrating as it can be like any tool, it is not always doom and gloom.
Disney is no longer a man and not a monolith (they just used Tech recently to reproduce Walt and made him say things he never actually said) Disney is now a company, of many people with varying opinions and we can safely figure many are for it full force for profit, many are for it carefully, and some are against it in fear of losing nuances.
I appreciate you flat out asking vs presuming.
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brideck
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This probably needs a spoiler tag. I'm glad I finally saw it Tuesday night.
I agree with this, though. The epilogue is the only part of the movie I didn't like very much -- felt like a totally unnecessary bit that someone made them tack on the end to serve as a backdoor pilot for a follow-on series or sequel. There was already enough in the rest of the movie to tell us who did and didn't make it.