Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Interesting, hadn’t heard that. Could envision Amazon turning some locations into multi-use. I’ve said it before on here but AMC A-List can only subsidize the studios’ tentpoles for so long. Seems unsustainable.
Well many if not most of the theater chains have some sort of customer loyalty program, so it might need to be changed but its required to do business. But A-List was the least of AMC problems. The CEO made some bad investments, some gold mines or something as I recall, seriously. Anyways they have a long way to go before they can been seen as recovered.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yeah…but has anybody seen her in anything?
You're claim is she wasn't working, which is false. She has been working the Indie circuit, which most working actors do for most of their career. And I've seen her in a few movies, which were pretty good.

Her next Disney movie is coming out later this year, called Young Woman and the Sea about US Olympic swimmer Gertrude Ederle. It was originally a D+ exclusive but has now been moved to theaters for release on May 31st.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
Well many if not most of the theater chains have some sort of customer loyalty program, so it might need to be changed but it’s required to do business. But A-List was the least of AMC problems. The CEO made some bad investments, some gold mines or something as I recall, seriously. Anyways they have a long way to go before they can been seen as recovered.
Of the chains around Florida, Regal and AMC are the only ones I know of that do subscriptions. Some others have loyalty programs but that’s not the same as $22 for 1-15 movies a month. That is inflating box office numbers for a range of titles from tentpoles on down, which the trades don’t want to acknowledge for good reason. If the only way to stay in business is to sell discounted tickets and hope for concession and meme-worthy popcorn bucket sales, that’s not sustainable. Especially if they can’t clone Gerwig and Nolan.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Her next Disney movie is coming out later this year, called Young Woman and the Sea about US Olympic swimmer Gertrude Ederle. It was originally a D+ exclusive but has now been moved to theaters for release on May 31st.

Maybe it will be good?

But we can just get over this one (too) she’s closer to Jake Lloyd and Ahmad best than Harrison ford and ewan mcgreggor

Actually…if you read the story she may be EXACTLY like Natalie Portman…and I hope it turns out for her as well
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Maybe it will be good?

But we can just get over this one (too) she’s closer to Jake Lloyd and Ahmad best than Harrison ford and ewan mcgreggor

Actually…if you read the story she may be EXACTLY like Natalie Portman…and I hope it turns out for her as well
I don't see anything wrong with her career being like Portman's. Portman has had a good career and appears to be enjoying her life. Even her recent comments about being able to do more Indie type work because newer generations aren't into celebrity as previous generations comes across as positive.

So yeah if Ridley ends up with a career just like Portman, I think she'll be just fine.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Of the chains around Florida, Regal and AMC are the only ones I know of that do subscriptions. Some others have loyalty programs but that’s not the same as $22 for 1-15 movies a month. That is inflating box office numbers for a range of titles from tentpoles on down, which the trades don’t want to acknowledge for good reason. If the only way to stay in business is to sell discounted tickets and hope for concession and meme-worthy popcorn bucket sales, that’s not sustainable. Especially if they can’t clone Gerwig and Nolan.
Um, you do realize that theaters aren't in the movie business. They are in the concession business. They couldn't care less on selling tickets at a discounted price as that is not where they make their money. All they care about is someone buying popcorn, soda, and candy. The subscription program is a loss leader to get butts in seats so they can sell concessions.
 

J4546

Well-Known Member
yeah but when people arent buy concessions I think the business is in trouble and last couple times ive been to AMC people arent buying sodas or popcorn it seems like the concessions lines are always empty. But thats just me.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Of the chains around Florida, Regal and AMC are the only ones I know of that do subscriptions. Some others have loyalty programs but that’s not the same as $22 for 1-15 movies a month. That is inflating box office numbers for a range of titles from tentpoles on down, which the trades don’t want to acknowledge for good reason. If the only way to stay in business is to sell discounted tickets and hope for concession and meme-worthy popcorn bucket sales, that’s not sustainable. Especially if they can’t clone Gerwig and Nolan.

What numbers do they inflate? Box office money is still counted the same. Theaters Eat the cost of anything past the first two you see on those subscription plans.

Box office numbers have grown every year since the pandemic. Only reason they are lower than some(but still higher than some post pandemic years) is the writer's strike. It is wild how good Jan/Feb was considering all the moving releases that went around.

Hold tight.

Deadpool 3
Inside Out 2
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire
Beetlejuice
Wicked

And then the supporting strongs of Twisters, Gladiator 2, Rushed Moana sequel etc...

It is not going to be as wimpy as some people want ot paint like we are going back to 2020 or 2021.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't see anything wrong with her career being like Portman's. Portman has had a good career and appears to be enjoying her life. Even her recent comments about being able to do more Indie type work because newer generations aren't into celebrity as previous generations comes across as positive.

So yeah if Ridley ends up with a career just like Portman, I think she'll be just fine.
Yes…

Because Portman got over the bad Star Wars stigma. Her words…not my opinion. She said she was persona non-grata after George…going as far as repeatedly thanking Mike Nichols for casting her in Closer….i think even in her Oscar speech?

Bad Star Wars is like Hollywood kryptonite for many.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yes…

Because Portman got over the bad Star Wars stigma. Her words…not my opinion. She said she was persona non-grata after George…going as far as repeatedly thanking Mike Nichols for casting her in Closer….i think even in her Oscar speech?

Bad Star Wars is like Hollywood kryptonite for many.
Maybe just my opinion, but I don't see Ridley seeing her SW experience as bad or even regretting being in the franchise. She seems to have embraced her time in SW and obviously is open to coming back for more, which is different than Portman. I mean has Portman ever been to Celebration? Heck she never even met Hamill until this year. So really Ridley has accepted her place in SW far better than Portman ever did. So I don't think its as much as a crutch as you think it is.

Also for being persona non grata, Portman bounced back fairly quickly as I don't think she really ever stopped working. As Closer was released a year before Ep3. I don't think her career really took a big hit. Maybe she wasn't getting roles she specifically wanted, but she was clearly making movies. Some of which were fairly well regarded and even major hits at the box office.

Anyways lets not clog up this thread with more SW stuff.
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
Because Portman got over the bad Star Wars stigma. Her words…not my opinion. She said she was persona non-grata after George…going as far as repeatedly thanking Mike Nichols for casting her in Closer….i think even in her Oscar speech?

Not the point, but technically she thanked Nichols for championing her to other directors after she was in his Central Park production of The Seagull in 2001. And yes, Star Wars has damaged a lot of actors' careers over the years because it's non-serious work that it's nearly impossible to showcase any real acting ability in.

Ridley didn't have many pre-Star Wars credits to fall back on, so she's essentially still in the process of establishing a career, kind of like Mark Hamill, and he was in nothing particularly useful for years after that. By comparison, I think she's doing just fine.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
What numbers do they inflate? Box office money is still counted the same. Theaters Eat the cost of anything past the first two you see on those subscription plans.

Box office numbers have grown every year since the pandemic. Only reason they are lower than some(but still higher than some post pandemic years) is the writer's strike. It is wild how good Jan/Feb was considering all the moving releases that went around.

Hold tight.

Deadpool 3
Inside Out 2
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire
Beetlejuice
Wicked

And then the supporting strongs of Twisters, Gladiator 2, Rushed Moana sequel etc...

It is not going to be as wimpy as some people want ot paint like we are going back to 2020 or 2021.
What
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
Um, you do realize that theaters aren't in the movie business. They are in the concession business. They couldn't care less on selling tickets at a discounted price as that is not where they make their money. All they care about is someone buying popcorn, soda, and candy. The subscription program is a loss leader to get butts in seats so they can sell concessions.
You do realize they split receipts with studios, right? That’s a chunk of revenue. That’s why AMC distributing Swift and Beyoncé was such a big deal. They pocketed most of the upcharged ticket price.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
You do realize they split receipts with studios, right? That’s a chunk of revenue. That’s why AMC distributing Swift and Beyoncé was such a big deal. They pocketed most of the upcharged ticket price.
Yes they make a percentage on a sliding scale based on how long the movie is in theaters, but most of their operating money is made in concessions.

As I mentioned the ticket sales are the loss leaders just to get people in the building so they can buy concessions. If the ticket subscription model was so bad the two largest theater chains in the nation wouldn't be doing it.
 

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