Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

If it looks “judgmental,” that’s because of what the viewer is bringing to the material.

Luke Skywalker wasn’t “swapped.”

And those bringing such judgement to the material are often those who claim to be blind to race.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I said they aren’t always right, and that’s one of their biggest misses. That said, they don’t play the political games most other YouTube critics do, so they don’t need or want “ammunition.”

Oh no it wasn’t… Last Jedi critique was on the money.
both Pinkett and half in the bag series nailed it
God Last Jedi was a terrible movie.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If it looks “judgmental,” that’s because of what the viewer is bringing to the material.

Luke Skywalker wasn’t “swapped.”

He was replaced…by management directive. Do your research

In the original drafts of episode 7…management forbid the appearance of Luke Skywalker - per the screenwriter…
The reason? “He’ll steal the movie”

Of course he would, morons, that was the point!!

You shoulda figured out what was up the minute that trash rolled.

Do better.

And those bringing such judgement to the material are often those who claim to be blind to race.

Not me, Nancy…just because I can speak the truth of what is going on and how it’s hurting Disney…doesn’t mean I’m advocating for it.

It’s called objectively and it’s a craze I hope will sweep the nation soon.



Do better.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh no it wasn’t… Last Jedi critique was on the money.
both Pinkett and half in the bag series nailed it
God Last Jedi was a terrible movie.

It’s was repulsive

And a massive business mistake to the tune of billions. Tomorrow the sun will rise in the east again too…hate to not “subvert expectations”

 

[el_super]

God Last Jedi was a terrible movie.

That made a billion dollars. Even with all that criticism and downright hate directed toward it, there were no box office performance issues. Even with the complaints about Force Awakens. Even with the later complaints about Rise of Skywalker, the performance of Last Jedi doesn't seem to have been impacted at all by the movie before it, nor was Skywalker's performance impacted by the supposed weakness of Last Jedi.

All pointing to the main point: the criticism didn't have much impact on that film, so why entertain the idea that it's the primary factor NOW?

 

[Willmark]

That made a billion dollars. Even with all that criticism and downright hate directed toward it, there were no box office performance issues. Even with the complaints about Force Awakens. Even with the later complaints about Rise of Skywalker, the performance of Last Jedi doesn't seem to have been impacted at all by the movie before it, nor was Skywalker's performance impacted by the supposed weakness of Last Jedi.

All pointing to the main point: the criticism didn't have much impact on that film, so why entertain the idea that it's the primary factor NOW?

Captain Marvel made a billion too and look what just happened with the Marvels.

Release a (direct) sequel to TLJ and what do you think will/might happen?

Disney has a very big SW problem on their hands when it comes to movies. And each year that passes from the release of TLJ only magnifies that negative impact. Disney is more than likely aware of what TLJ did financially and what it did to the fan base.

Attack of the Clones is a really bad movie, and yet still light years ahead of TLJ as a film.

Rogue One and Solo were pretty darn good, especially Rogue One. It actually made people care about characters that no one knew anything about.

TLJ gave us a nonsensical string of “gotchas” for no other reason than: Rian Johnson.

 

[CinematicFusion]

That made a billion dollars. Even with all that criticism and downright hate directed toward it, there were no box office performance issues. Even with the complaints about Force Awakens. Even with the later complaints about Rise of Skywalker, the performance of Last Jedi doesn't seem to have been impacted at all by the movie before it, nor was Skywalker's performance impacted by the supposed weakness of Last Jedi.

All pointing to the main point: the criticism didn't have much impact on that film, so why entertain the idea that it's the primary factor NOW?

Sorry… I’m saying I agree with the audience score of 42% for Last Jedi. I don’t see how any Star Wars fan could like that film. Deserved hate towards that film.
Made a billion because everyone wanted to see what happened after Force Awakens which made over 2 billion. Last Jedi cut that in half…. And then no one went to see Solo because Last Jedi was terrible.
We All remember how it went.

 

[DKampy]

But to be fair they do have a points just like Red Letter Media (who also has 1.5 million subscribers) When Last Jedi was such a colossal disappointment, Red Letter Media did an exceptional job of describing why.
People are upset with Disney's recent issue with quality control. Their stories from Willow to Wish have been average to terrible.
So Disney is fueling guys like Red Letter Media with plenty of ammunition to attack them.

Add that most kids watch youtube, my kids included, and it can spell disaster for Disney.
Everyone watches these critiques.
I mean, they are fun to watch and many have solid points as you know.

I would not lump Red Letter Media in with the click haters…I have seen them take shots at the Anti- Disney tubers as well…they don’t play politics with all this “Culture War” nonsense….they even liked Kenobi well enough

 

[CinematicFusion]

Captain Marvel made a billion too and look what just happened with the Marvels.

Release a (direct) sequel to TLJ and what do you think will/might happen?

Disney has a very big SW problem on their hands when it comes to movies. And each year that passes from the release of TLJ only magnifies that negative impact. Disney is more than likely aware of what TLJ did financially and what it did to the fan base.

Attack of the Clones is a really bad movie, and yet still light years ahead of TLJ as a film.

Rogue One and Solo were pretty darn good, especially Rogue One. It actually made people care about characters that no one knew anything about.

TLJ gave us a nonsensical string of “gotchas” for no other reason than: Rian Johnson.

Star Wars is dead… Disney killed it. It’s a TV show now.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I would not lump Red Letter Media in with the click haters…I have seen them take shots at the Anti- Disney tubers as well…they don’t play politics with all this “Culture War” nonsense….they even liked Kenobi well enough

Agree.. they are very good

 

[ABQ]

It should be troubling to Disney that some of the anti-Disney YouTubers are getting nearly as many views as their hundred million dollar films, especially when their arguments are valid.

That said I hate YouTube’s algorithms, I’ve watched a few of the links provided here and now YouTube is recommending (what seems like) every anti-Disney site on their app. Watching a few anti Disney sites shouldn’t undo a decade of watching primarily Disney fan sites.

I wouldn't speak for most of those you tube channels, but I will say that very many of them are not Anti-Disney, in fact many are or were huge Disney, Lucas, and Marvel fans but just have gotten quite disheartened with how things have progressed for those studios and the theme parks and simply want them to turn the ship around. Seems parallel to this forum, to me at least.

 

[CinematicFusion]

The problem lies with you for viewing Halle Bailey that way, not with Disney for casting her in a role that she pulled off brilliantly.

No.. the problem Disney marketing did was create a New Coke instead of the original Classic Coke everyone wanted just like Coca-Cola did in the 80s.
It was a horrible marketing decision. My little girl watched it and was disappointed that wasn’t Little Mermaid. Box office was a disappointment.
Halle Bailey should have had her own live action new feature with new music from Alan Menken. She’s talented and she deserved that.
But Disney is too scared… and that’s the truth.

 

[LittleBuford]

No.. the problem Disney marketing did was create a New Coke instead of the original Classic Coke everyone wanted just like Coca-Cola did in the 80s.
It was a horrible marketing decision. My little girl watched it and was disappointed that wasn’t Little Mermaid.

And other viewers, myself included, watched it and really enjoyed her performance. A horrible decision from your perspective, a positive decision from mine.

But none of that has anything to do with whether it's appropriate to dismiss Halle Bailey as "a cheap Beyoncé".

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem lies with you for viewing Halle Bailey that way, not with Disney for casting her in a role that she pulled off brilliantly.

Opinions vary…

I suggest you study your favorite company’s means and methods a little more closely…

For instance - think she was signed to a 3 picture “option”?
Which would be unnecessary for a live action remake…

Call your sources and ask around.

 

[LittleBuford]

Opinions vary…

I suggest you study your favorite company’s means and methods a little more close…

For instance - thing she was signed to a 3 picture “option”?
Which would be unnecessary for a live action remake…

Call your sources and ask around.

Unsurprisingly, this has nothing to do with my point.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That made a billion dollars. Even with all that criticism and downright hate directed toward it, there were no box office performance issues. Even with the complaints about Force Awakens. Even with the later complaints about Rise of Skywalker, the performance of Last Jedi doesn't seem to have been impacted at all by the movie before it, nor was Skywalker's performance impacted by the supposed weakness of Last Jedi.

All pointing to the main point: the criticism didn't have much impact on that film, so why entertain the idea that it's the primary factor NOW?

The force awakens did $2.06 billion
The Last Jedi did $1.33 billion
Rise of Sky Walker did $1.07 billion

That’s a 49% decrease over the last trilogy, you can’t honestly think the previous movies and criticism didn’t hurt the latter films.

 

[el_super]

Release a (direct) sequel to TLJ and what do you think will/might happen?

They did. It made a billion dollars.

 

[Willmark]

They did. It made a billion dollars.

See the comment above yours, it’s spot on.

And most TLJ fans will disagree with you owing to RoS spending the first 45 minutes or so retroconning what came before.

 

[Willmark]

The force awakens did $2.06 billion
The Last Jedi did $1.33 billion
Rise of Sky Walker did $1.07 billion

That’s a 49% decrease over the last trilogy, you can’t honestly think the previous movies and criticism didn’t hurt the latter films.

“It made a billion dollars…” /sarcasm

 

[CinematicFusion]

And other viewers, myself included, watched it and really enjoyed her performance. A horrible decision from your perspective, a positive decision from mine.

But none of that has anything to do with whether it's appropriate to dismiss Halle Bailey as "a cheap Beyoncé".

Unfortunately the box office didn’t respond like Disney had hoped… hey some people liked new coke back in the 80s but most were upset Coke classic disappeared and it was brought back.