Basil of Baker Street
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A few years ago my theater was showing the Harry Potter films. I went to one. Had a decent crowd. Maybe we will see more things like this.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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erasure fan1
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I want to say that after force awakens but before infinity war, it was all over the media because it forced a lot of small independent theaters to not be able to play Disney films. Did they make amends for covid? Not sure. To answer your question, yes, based on the theater count's for these movies I'd say the pre-covid deal seems to still be in place. I don't know, you don't know, it was just an interesting question based on the last information we had on the deal.
People keep saying that, but What other artists could pull the kind of money theaters would want….no one can touch Taylor Swift… the next best thought would naturally be Beyoncé and that film is opening this weekend… and that is opening to less then a third of what Taylor did…. So who could even open close to Bey’s numbers… Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Ellish, BTS… a legacy act like U2 or GNR… a NYSNC reunion… well that did not even help Trolls 3… I am really not sure what other artist could work to say concerts are the next big thing… perhaps Bad Bunny could internationally
erasure fan1
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Why does it have to be as big as Taylor swift? When I say bigger, I mean more artists doing it. Have you tried to get tickets for a popular concert? It's a great idea in my opinion. I can even see sporting events getting in on it. What I find interesting is I keep hearing a lot of, the film industry is changing and the viewing habits are changing... So why wouldn't it be smart for theaters to find alternative income channels? I could see sporting events becoming huge as well.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Except we know for a fact that those deals from 2017/2018 have been replaced post-pandemic by ones that allowed for shorter theatrical windows, such as -
Disney Announces Exclusive Theatrical Windows for Remaining 2021 Slate of Films - The Walt Disney Company
Disney Media & Entertainment Distribution today announced plans for exclusive theatrical release windows for the remainder of its 2021 slate of films. The Walt …Read More
thewaltdisneycompany.com
And this was all because Disney released Black Widow date and date on Disney+, ie theaters got mad -
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/19/mov...g-black-widow-in-theaters-and-streaming-.html
So again if there really is a specific time frame that a Disney movie is required to stay in theaters its because the theater chains asked for it not because they are forced. Now how that changes in the future we don't know. It'll be interesting to see how things continue to change.
Tony the Tigger
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Just saw The Marvels, and we both thoroughly enjoyed it.
If you didn’t see Ms. Marvel, it’s fine, it will be the origin story you might just as logically see after the film.
I want to say, now that I’ve seen it, I can completely dismiss all the criticism about it being “bad” or somehow not catering to their core audience, or any other nonsense from people who haven’t seen it, but post the movie poster and mock it as if it is somehow bizarre.
For those saying paying attention to diverse casting is somehow magically at odds with creativity - a major plot point was one of the most creative things I’ve seen in Marvel movies.
It’s not the typical Marvel movie - and that’s exactly what we liked about it. It had the light fun vibe of Ant Man or Guardians. It tied into the wider Avengers history. And I’m not afraid of females or people of color, so I don’t feel at all this is only right for a tiny audience as has been suggested.
There was one spot (I’ll save it for the spoiler thread) where I thought, “why did x happen when they could have just done y,” but it was no big deal.
The villain was not bad, as people were saying. Most villains are just mental cases who can’t get over something.
We wanted to go at 7pm, but it’s playing on few screens, so the only seats available were in the front row. We went to the 10pm and I’m so glad we did.
It’s a shame people are missing this film. It’s definitely worth it, even if you’ve never seen another Marvel movie.
If you didn’t see Ms. Marvel, it’s fine, it will be the origin story you might just as logically see after the film.
I want to say, now that I’ve seen it, I can completely dismiss all the criticism about it being “bad” or somehow not catering to their core audience, or any other nonsense from people who haven’t seen it, but post the movie poster and mock it as if it is somehow bizarre.
For those saying paying attention to diverse casting is somehow magically at odds with creativity - a major plot point was one of the most creative things I’ve seen in Marvel movies.
It’s not the typical Marvel movie - and that’s exactly what we liked about it. It had the light fun vibe of Ant Man or Guardians. It tied into the wider Avengers history. And I’m not afraid of females or people of color, so I don’t feel at all this is only right for a tiny audience as has been suggested.
There was one spot (I’ll save it for the spoiler thread) where I thought, “why did x happen when they could have just done y,” but it was no big deal.
The villain was not bad, as people were saying. Most villains are just mental cases who can’t get over something.
We wanted to go at 7pm, but it’s playing on few screens, so the only seats available were in the front row. We went to the 10pm and I’m so glad we did.
It’s a shame people are missing this film. It’s definitely worth it, even if you’ve never seen another Marvel movie.
erasure fan1
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Yea, I Don't think we are on he same page here. We aren't talking about how long a film has to stay in theaters before streaming, but how many theaters it has to be in for what amount of time. And the percentage of the box office Disney gets. Yes the theaters wanted a longer guaranteed run before streaming, especially for tent pole films. Because Disney was killing the theaters. We all saw what pulling the movies early did to box office. Disney was taking, I think it was 65% of the first 2 or 3 weeks? After that the theater could drop the amount of theaters and they got a better percentage take. By pulling a film at 30 days, for D+, you all but killed the chance for legs on a film. Therefore making the chance for the theater to make money almost non-existent. So yea they wanted a longer guarantee.
What we don't know, is what's the revenue split percentage and theater counts Disney is requiring. So to tie it back to my original question, would the theaters try to get better leverage with Disneys slump at the box office? Any intelligent business would do that. Disney has a pretty well documented history of stiff arming theaters. And while we don't know the exact terms, it's been complained about by the owners. So we know it's well in Disneys favor. As it should have been, they had ALL of the leveraging power. That doesn't seem to be the case right now. So even if you are right that the contracts are better for the theaters, why wouldn't the theaters want to do the same thing to Disney that Disney did to them?
CinematicFusion
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Wish Box Office Second-Weekend Drop Is Even Worse Than Disney's Biggest 2022 Flop
Disney's Wish, which already had an underwhelming opening weekend, posts a week 2 drop even worse than the studio's previous Thanksgiving flop.Screenrant
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What’s worse is this is a PATTERN
_caleb
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On this we agree. Question seems to be whether it’s:
- a pattern for the industry and Disney is especially hard hit because they’re prioritizing DTC over box office; or
- a pattern for Disney because they’re prioritizing an ideological agenda over money.
Jedijax719
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Time to move onto a different movie to watch fail. Too bad there aren't even any movies coming out from Disney until next June I think.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t think it’s either…
I think it’s mostly that Disney is being seen as a greed engine that is ripping off and/or dismissing their customers on the street…
And that what was what good disney management always had a mandate to avoid. Never become a “ripoff”…stay below that line.
When they decided they there was more money to be had than just the measly middle class and started labeling themselves otherwise…it sent a “shockwave” out deep in the space of consumer consciousness…
…it just takes time for the ripples to start to be felt.
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Tha Realest
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Due to Disney’s abdication and tactical retreat in the face of heavy and sustained losses.
At least they churned out a bunch of popular content that’ll surely make D+ profitable in Q4.
_caleb
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This is how people who see everything primarily through an ideological lens talk/ think about business.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I agree…it’s part that but not the main reason
We need to let the cable news stuff go and realize that people don’t “deny themselves” Disney to make a political statement
No…I’m serious…I long ago saw the raw data…
It doesn’t happen
It’s much more that that
Vegas Disney Fan
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Hate is too strong a word, despise is probably more accurate, they are making content for an audience they “want” rather than the audience they have (had), the end result is horrible box office results.
It also doesn’t explain why the rest of the world has stopped going to Disney films also.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Excellent point
People aren’t not showing up to theaters in France, Japan and the UK because of state laws in the US
It also explains the park dynamics…Florida is falling behind the fastest and That’s where they are leaking oil