Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

BuddyThomas

Well-Known Member
Yep, as I mentioned Scorsese had a film just last month that performed worse than The Marvels, opening at $23M, and will lose ~$200M for Paramount and Apple.
Of course, that Scorsese film is three and a half hours long and many people, myself included, don't want to sit through such an endless film. I've been trying to work it into my schedule for weeks, and haven't been able to do it. On the other hand, it's probably going to get a ton of Oscar and other nominations, for whatever that's worth.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Of course, that Scorsese film is three and a half hours long and many people, myself included, don't want to sit through such an endless film. I've been trying to work it into my schedule for weeks, and haven't been able to do it. On the other hand, it's probably going to get a ton of Oscar and other nominations, for whatever that's worth.
I saw it, its a great film and I expect it to win some awards.

But it still cost $200M (with no VFX) to make, plus $100M to market (using everyone's favorite guesstimate number), and that is a huge loss for a filmmaker that is usually pretty solid at the box office. Hmm, sound familiar.... ;)
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I ask primarily to highlight the bad faith and hidden agendas. If certain topics are banned, I’m not sure why absolutely constant, taunting allusions to them are permitted. It promotes a toxic environment.

If she starred in the lowest rated Marvel show on Disney+, a show that already disappeared after one low-rated season, why on earth would you the have her co-star in a $275 Million tentpole movie? Who approved that huge budget and that casting?

The audience has already spoken at the box office, and they're just as uninterested in her as as the Nielsen ratings were.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Its not a lame excuse if its those same external forces that are the primary driver for what are causing those "flops". Posters constantly state they want Disney to tell original stories, just have a hit, stop putting out content that audiences aren't interested in. As the saying goes, its easy to say all that from the cheap seats.

Despite the fairy tale stories they tell they do not have a crystal ball that predicts the future.
You're gonna defend them despite all evidence, eh?

Oh well, I guess they will make up for the box office losses in streaming and merch.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Weekend projections are out from Box Office Pro for this weekend. The Marvels is forecast to have more than a 60% drop this weekend. On the bright side, it should break the $70 Million mark at the box office by Sunday evening, 10 days after its debut.

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Disstevefan1

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Weekend projections are out from Box Office Pro for this weekend. The Marvels is forecast to have more than a 60% drop this weekend. On the bright side, it should break the $70 Million mark at the box office by Sunday evening, 10 days after its debut.

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Some folks would say that some movies would kill to break the $70 Million mark at the box office by Sunday evening, 10 days after its debut. ;)
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
You're gonna defend them despite all evidence, eh?

Oh well, I guess they will make up for the box office losses in streaming and merch.
Its not about defending them, its about understanding that forces outside their control are at play here. Sure there are some things they can do, and Disney just announced some.

More sequels.....

They are going to play it safe and pull back on anything original for awhile. Yay! We get more of the same. Plus we know that the MCU is going to pull back. So Yay! Less MCU for awhile.

As the saying goes, careful what you wish for you may just get it.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Its not about defending them, its about understanding that forces outside their control are at play here. Sure there are some things they can do, and Disney just announced some.

More sequels.....

They are going to play it safe and pull back on anything original for awhile. Yay! We get more of the same. Plus we know that the MCU is going to pull back. So Yay! Less MCU for awhile.
If they can no longer produce movies that turn a real profit in the current environment, given what you call forces outside of their control, they should probably no longer be in that particular business. Pick a new line of work. It is not one...it is not two...it is several now, one after another..so sad.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
If they can no longer produce movies that turn a real profit in the current environment, given what you call forces outside of their control, they should probably no longer be in that particular business. Pick a new line of work. It is not one...it is not two...it is several now, one after another..so sad.
I would rather they try to adjust because I still enjoy most of Disney’s movies. People get frustrated when someone just says make better movies; I’m sure they would love better box office results.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
If they can no longer produce movies that turn a real profit in the current environment, given what you call forces outside of their control, they should probably no longer be in that particular business. Pick a new line of work. It is not one...it is not two...it is several now, one after another..so sad.
They should try to produce a movie on a budget like they all movie companies did in the old days.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
If they can no longer produce movies that turn a real profit in the current environment, given what you call forces outside of their control, they should probably no longer be in that particular business. Pick a new line of work. It is not one...it is not two...it is several now, one after another..so sad.
So you going to say the same thing to Paramount who has had almost as many flops this year? Or any other movie studio that has a bad year?

Or is it about adjusting to the current market trends and moving forward.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
So you going to say the same thing to Paramount who has had almost as many flops this year? Or any other movie studio that has a bad year?
Others have been hitting more than Disney comparatively. They also seem to have a bit more control over their budgets, which helps.
Or is it about adjusting to the current market trends and moving forward.
A little late on the adjustment...if there even is one...
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They should try to produce a movie on a budget like they all movie companies did in the old days.
Its a larger trend in Hollywood, big budgets to chase the big box office. I go back to Scorsese, he spent basically blockbuster money for what amounts to almost a documentary and got no box office for it.

The entire Hollywood studio machine needs to find a way to reign in budgets, not just Disney.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I think it’s a valid point to say they need to adjust, especially since so many of their audience (families with kids) find it easier to wait a short time until they can see a film without all the expense and hassle.

I understand about having to stay within budgets but films dealing with fantasy and fairytales are probably going to cost more than something more mundane. I’d hate to see them resort to making cheap movies.
 

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