Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

It includes women, military veterans, and the differently abled, among many other groups. It was another thing distorted and taken out of context by folks who dislike Disney. What’s controversial isn’t that the policy exists - it does, and Disney isn’t shy about it - but whether it affects the quality of content. That’s what people keep asking for examples of.

Do you a have a link to the policy in question?

 

[Chi84]

The various clips leaked from the meeting were held up by a number of outlets and commentators as evidence of an official Disney “agenda” (the word needs little explanation in the context of this debate).

As a gay man to whom Disney’s stories and characters still appear overwhelmingly straight (and can anyone really deny that they are?), I can only laugh and despair at the paranoia and alarmism.

I don’t know about an agenda, but I’ve seen a few Disney movies recently and they really don’t seem much different in their core concepts.

I think that’s why people keep asking for examples of the referenced content.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Which shows their entire strategy is false.

The film, based on their targeted demographics, should have flipped to a predominantly female audience and dramatically overperformed in the minority demos.

While they achieved their apparent goal of ensuring males and “fanboys” that drove $1B worldwide grosses had no interest in seeing it, they couldn’t convince their new audience to replace them so the entire ship sank.

It’s the same dynamic we see over and over again. Nobody wants to see these films.

It’s like the Aesop’s fable, but here the dog is dropping a huge bone as he looks to pick up a tiny one in the reflection.

Each of these releases continues to illustrate their entire logic and strategy isn’t working.

Disney actively promoted that they are hiring diverse minority women directors to speak to “new audiences” and the films directed by these indie film directors with no large budget experience have now generated two of the largest losses in the studio’s history.

You can spin it all you want, but the facts are

 

[LittleBuford]

I don’t know about an agenda, but I’ve seen a few Disney movies recently and they really don’t seem much different in their core concepts.

I think that’s why people keep asking for examples of the referenced content.

It's telling that the only specific example that's been provided comes from someone who hasn't even seen the content in question.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I am part of the movie going public and I’m buying tickets.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I am part of the movie going public and I’m buying tickets.

Are you buying $400 million worth of them? Because that's what this particular film probably has to sell to make a profit.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Are you buying $400 million worth of them? Because that's what this particular film probably has to sell to make a profit.

No. I am buying tickets. You said the movie going public is not buying tickets. I’m part of the movie going public and I’m buying tickets. I saw four movies last week, and will see a few more this week. See how broad generalizations don’t work?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

No. I am buying tickets. You said the movie going public is not buying tickets. I’m part of the movie going public and I’m buying tickets. I saw four movies last week, and will see a few more this week. See how broad generalizations don’t work?

Broad generalizations work perfectly fine if you're discussing a topic at a macro-level. And this particular topic is about whether or not a large enough volume of people (millions of people, not one guy) are purchasing movie tickets to Disney films so that they are profitable (or even more to the point, that the return of profit justified the production investment).

Recent Disney is at a remarkable pace of generating films that they almost assuredly regret making. You bought tickets? Swell, but people bought tickets to Ishtar and Hudson Hawk, too ... just not nearly enough of them.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Are you buying $400 million worth of them? Because that's what this particular film probably has to sell to make a profit.

Actually @BuddyThomas must purchase (at least) $600 million worth of them for Wish to break even.

This is based on that Wish cost (at least) $200M to make and they spent (at least) $100M to market and the standard assumption Disney gets half of the box office take.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Broad generalizations work perfectly fine if you're discussing a topic at a macro-level. And this particular topic is about whether or not a large enough volume of people (millions of people, not one guy) are purchasing movie tickets to Disney films so that they are profitable (or even more to the point, that the return of profit justified the production investment).

Recent Disney is at a remarkable pace of generating films that they almost assuredly regret making. You bought tickets? Swell, but people bought tickets to Ishtar and Hudson Hawk, too ... just not nearly enough of them.

Yawn.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Actually @BuddyThomas must purchase (at least) $600 million worth of them for Wish to break even.

This is based on that Wish cost (at least) $200M to make and they spent (at least) $100M to market and the standard assumption Disney gets half of the box office take.

I will reply to my own post and say that Wish will have no problem bringing in $600M by the end of its run.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I think one of the problems with Disney trying to sell tickets nowadays is because people know if they wait a month they can see these movies for free on Disney Plus they wait. They've created a monster also their marketed terribly. I didn't know if this new movie was going to be just on Disney plus or in the theaters.
Plus I think people are just getting bored and tired of the franchises. Too many shows, too many movies not enough time to invest in all of it so some of us just kinda quit.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Yawn.

I'm not certain I can compete with your well-reasoned and eloquently presented thesis. You have surely won the day.

 

[CaptainMickey]

I will reply to my own post and say that Wish will have no problem bringing in $600M by the end of its run.

I hope the movie is good or we could be having this same discussion again about the box office.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I'm not certain I can compete with your well-reasoned and eloquently presented thesis. You have surely won the day.

Yeah. I would get into it with you and with a lot of good points that you would undoubtedly dismiss, but Mother has been on another one of her delete-a-thon festivals lately, so what’s the point? Maybe just stop making your broad generalizations.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I hope the movie is good or we could be having this same discussion again about the box office.

I think it will sell enough tickets to surpass $600M by the end of its run.

 

[CaptainMickey]

I think it will sell enough tickets to surpass $600M by the end of its run.

They said the same thing about The Marvels. I heard Princess Fatigue could be a problem.
Hope you are right.

 

[Tha Realest]

Yeah. I would get into it with you and with a lot of good points that you would undoubtedly dismiss, but Mother has been on another one of her delete-a-thon festivals lately, so what’s the point? Maybe just stop making your broad generalizations.

If this keeps happening to you, perhaps some self-regulation or introspection is in order?

 

[BuddyThomas]

If this keeps happening to you, perhaps some self-regulation or introspection is in order?

No hun. She deletes everything. I’m sure some of your reprehensible posts have been deleted.

 

[Chi84]

Maybe everyone can start being a little nicer?