Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's a very interesting one to contemplate too.

It's actually the last 9 Disney movies, since the last Disney movie to make a profit was Guardians 3, with a profit from its box office run of $59 Million.

Guardians 3: $250 Production $100 Marketing, Box Office $215 USA, $194 Foreign, $409 B.O. Take = $59 Million Profit
Chevalier: $46 Production, $15 Marketing, Box Office $2.1 USA, $120,000 Foreign, B.O. Take $2.2 = $60 Million Loss
Mermaid: $250 Production $140 Marketing, Box Office $179 USA, $105 Foreign, $284 B.O. Take = $106 Million Loss
Elemental: $200 Production $100 Marketing, Box Office $92 USA, $130 Foreign, $222 B.O. Take = $78 Million Loss
Indy 5: $300 Production $125 Marketing, Box Office $105 USA, $79 Foreign, $184 B.O. Take = $241 Million Loss
Haunted Mansion: $157 Production, $63 Marketing, Box Office $39 USA $14 Foreign, $53 B.O. Take = $167 Million Loss
The Boogeyman: $35 Production, $17 Marketing, Box Office $26 USA, $16 Foreign, B.O. Take $42 = $10 Million Loss
Theater Camp: $8 Production, $4 Marketing, Box Office $2.2 USA, $71,000 Foreign, B.O. Take $2.3 = $10 Million Loss
A Haunting In Venice; $60 Production, $30 Marketing, $25 Domestic, $26 Overseas = $39 Million Loss
The Creator; $80 Production, $40 Marketing, $22 Domestic, $21 Overseas = $77 Million Loss

Five Nights at Freddy's; $25 Production, $25 Marketing, $48 Domestic, $21 Overseas = $19 Million Profit After 3 Days

Ouch baby…3 of those numbers are ugly…still can’t believe them

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Entertaining makes a good movie to me. I don't need all the nonsense the so-called experts point to. Give me something that is fun, I don't need to dissect the brilliance of shooting the kiss from a back angle.

Right…I agree with you. I’m not much for critics. I’ve said why I turned on them many times over…

…but was serious when I said “mildly” entertaining

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Go look at The Marvels thread…which is largely predicting the box office profits which I am sure will turn into another box office thread once it is released

So that’s kinda obvious, no? It’s a Disney forum where people come to talk about Disney products and primarily two amusement park compounds in Los Estados Unidos…

So what do we want? More stuff
How do we get it? Disney makes money off it’s stuff and people want more
Do bad/flopping movies accomplish that? Maybe with “new math”…but not on this planet

 

[_caleb]

I think Disneys problem is their name right now, people associate Disney with DEI and the culture war so they are now looking for any reason not to go.

The chronically online are the ones who associate Disney with DEI and the culture war. You’re saying this audience has cost Disney millions and millions of box office dollars over their last several films?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The chronically online are the ones who associate Disney with DEI and the culture war. You’re saying this audience has cost Disney millions and millions of box office dollars over their last several films?

No, I’m saying it’s not limited to a small audience, I think they’ve alienated a significant portion of their audience. Disneys social and political issues have been highly publicized for a couple years now, that’s the problem, it’s not limited to the chronically online, everyone that turns on a TV or reads an article is aware of it.

A few people don’t turn reliable billion dollar franchises like Marvel, Disney, and Pixar into reliable money losers.

A few people don’t create so much buzz SouthPark feels it worthy of creating an entire episode around it.

 

[DKampy]

So that’s kinda obvious, no? It’s a Disney forum where people come to talk about Disney products and wprimarily two amusement park compounds in Los Estados Unidos…

So what do we want? More stuff
How do we get it? Disney makes money off it’s stuff and people want more
Do bad/flopping movies accomplish that? Maybe with “new math”…but not on this planet

I was replying to those That were saying this is the box office thread and so as such we were keeping the box office talk here…however every movie thread turns into a box office thread…people for some reason feel the need to talk about Freddy’s box office in The Marvels..in fact every thread is overrun with the box office talk…no one can actually talk about the film itself
Some people seem to shake with giddy excitement to point out that Disney is failing…heck one poster pointed out how he is looking forward to the next Captain America film to be released so he can mock it…on a Disney fan forum no less…without seeing anything from the film…are these people even Disney fans

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I’m saying it’s not limited to a small audience, I think they’ve alienated a significant portion of their audience. Disneys social and political issues have been highly publicized for a couple years now, that’s the problem, it’s not limited to the chronically online, everyone that turns on a TV or reads an article is aware of it.

A few people don’t turn reliable billion dollar franchises like Marvel, Disney, and Pixar into reliable money losers.

A few people don’t create so much buzz SouthPark feels it worthy of creating an entire episode around it.

That’s been pushed on one type of “media”

And traditionally politics have had little effect on patronage to Disney parks.
Not to say it isn’t a factor at all…I’m sure it is

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That’s been pushed on one type of “media”

And traditionally politics have had little effect on patronage to Disney parks.
Not to say it isn’t a factor at all…I’m sure it is

That’s all it takes, especially if that media reaches half your audience.

I don’t think it has affected the parks nearly as much as it’s affected the movies. The parks are fairly insulated because there’s no real alternative (not even Uni), movies are a much easier way to “protest” with your wallet, especially if that “protest” just means waiting a few months until you can watch it at home.

No beer has ever suffered a social fallout like BL has either, we live in unprecedented times.

 

[_caleb]

I know we all have different perspectives here. That’s what makes a discussion interesting! But when it comes to Disney at the box office, it doesn’t work to blame any single person or thing for their string of losses. There are several factors:

• Moviegoing trends
• Audience fatigue
• Changing tastes
• Out-of-control costs
• PR
• The launch of D+
• CEO changes
• The Pandemic

And there are many more. Some of these Disney is aware of and has plans to address. Others, I’m not so sure.

All these things conspire against Disney’s success at the box office. So when they make a creative or business misstep, it goes badly for them. And every miss digs them deeper into a hole.

But what we can’t do is pick one or two and say, “THIS is the reason Disney’s failing!”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s all it takes, especially if that media reaches half your audience.

I don’t think it has affected the parks nearly as much as it’s affected the movies. The parks are fairly insulated because there’s no real alternative (not even Uni), movies are a much easier way to “protest” with your wallet, especially if that “protest” just means waiting a few months until you can watch it at home.

No beer has ever suffered a social fallout like BL has either, we live in unprecedented times.

It’s not half…it’s an angry quarter…which is about half of participating electorate…of one country

Not the “wealthy” quarter either

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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I agree, I think it’s too late for Snow, it’s already tainted in too many people’s minds… but it will still be seen as a “step in the right direction” by those same people and maybe they’ll give the next remake a chance.

It was just a terrible decision to make in the first place…and they keep making them

Apparently “one disaster a year” is the new live action remake “plan”?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It’s not half…it’s an angry quarter…which is about half of participating electorate…or one country

Not the “wealthy” quarter either

Yeah, half is an exaggeration but even a few percent could mean the difference between profit or loss. If 5% of the 350 million Americans decide to stay home (for whatever reason) it’s a couple hundred million in lost ticket sales.

 

[_caleb]

I STILL think the blockbuster smash is going to be increasingly elusive moving forward. Technology has fundamentally changed how we interact with media and entertainment.

Disney doesn't seem to have figured out what the future is going to be for them business-wise, but at least they seem to understand this and are willing to experiment accordingly.

 

[Ghost93]

I think Disney should continue to strive for diversity but maybe go about it differently. I thought Halle was excellent in The Little Mermaid, but it's become clear that a large chunk of the country has issues with race-swapping long-established characters. So, instead of race-swapping a character, just make a new story that centers POC.

I have long said the biggest problem with Disney's LGBT representation is that it is so small that it won't emotionally resonate with most of the LGBT community, but it's also too prominent for those who hate any type of LGBT representation. If Disney is going to have LGBT characters, they need to go all in and give them the same development you see straight characters have. Right now, Disney is pleasing almost no one with the way it handles gay characters.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I STILL think the blockbuster smash is going to be increasingly elusive moving forward. Technology has fundamentally changed how we interact with media and entertainment.

Disney doesn't seem to have figured out what the future is going to be for them business-wise, but at least they seem to understand this and are willing to experiment accordingly.

You make a decent movie with iconic characters…and you’d be surprised how far you’ll get, maverick

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Disney should continue to strive for diversity but maybe go about it differently. I thought Halle was excellent in The Little Mermaid, but it's become clear that a large chunk of the country has issues with race-swapping long-established characters. So, instead of race-swapping a character, just make a new story that centers POC.

I have long said the biggest problem with Disney's LGBT representation is that it is so small that it won't emotionally resonate with most of the LGBT community, but it's also too prominent for those who hate any type of LGBT representation. If Disney is going to have LGBT characters, they need to go all in and give them the same development you see straight characters have. Right now, Disney is pleasing almost no one with the way it handles gay characters.

I think you’re pretty close to the target here

 

[_caleb]

You make a decent movie with iconic characters…and you’d be surprised how far you’ll get, maverick

If it’s that simple, why do you think Disney hasn’t been doing that?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was replying to those That were saying this is the box office thread and so as such we were keeping the box office talk here…however every movie thread turns into a box office thread…people for some reason feel the need to talk about Freddy’s box office in The Marvels..in fact every thread is overrun with the box office talk…no one can actually talk about the film itself
Some people seem to shake with giddy excitement to point out that Disney is failing…heck one poster pointed out how he is looking forward to the next Captain America film to be released so he can mock it…on a Disney fan forum no less…without seeing anything from the film…are these people even Disney fans

I think there pretty obvious failures are sucking up all the air in the room - currently.

It will change…in fact it NEEDS to change or we’ll be talking about corporate tumult in every thread soon enough.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I didn't say don't use IP, but make new characters. For example, when Disney makes its next Star Wars trilogy, the main character should be a person of color. Finn was SUPPOSED to be that, but they sidelined him in the sequels.

What they’ve been doing…is putting in bad characters to satisfy their appearance requirements…

A reminder: nobody had a problem with Carrie fisher or Billy dee Williams in 1980…

Why? Well written/acted characters. To try to swap out that kinda vibe with facsimiles now is gonna have a Star Wars/Disney/Pixar/etc fanbase turn on you…both outloud and more importantly WITH their wallets.

Gotta “progress” organically…not “here you go…Laura dern with purple hair!!”

You can cast light on things without pushing people into the shadows at the same time.

Disney Had a 5+ year disaster at the studios…we are just fully realizing it now. It was masked by guys name “chris” for awhile

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If it’s that simple, why do you think Disney hasn’t been doing that?

Awful management making decisions based on charts,
Spreadsheets and focus groups…not their actual customer market…which is heavily influenced by pull, emotional attachments from 100 years of cultivation of loyalty to those things…

Want an easy one? You make a movie where mark Hamill is the conquering hero…a resolution where he “rides off” as the keystone to the biggest movie franchise ever…

You don’t try whatever crap they tried over 2 hours and 15 minutes - trimmed to fit theater windows (of course)
Instead you have a race to the gas station with yoda comedy bits and sucking Akbar out a window. Emo crap.

It’s so stupid/obvious that there’s almost not enough brain power on the planet to process it.