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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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erasure fan1
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This I disagree on. Maybe as a single unit, yes, it's not going to generate change. But if enough people vote with their wallet, you can bet it will spark some changes. It's up to the fans to voice what they don't agree with.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Disagree, there isn't enough fans to outvote the general population. Its the general population that affects change, not the fans. Its the reason Disney in general doesn't really care what we say on forums like this. Once the general population comes back to Disney products, and they will over time, fans lose any voice that you think we have.
Tony the Tigger
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Variety is suggesting, after a slow start, BB has “good buzz” and should finally dethrone Barbie for the weekend.
erasure fan1
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I guess we need to define fans. On this site we are "hardcore" fans. At least the ones that do most of the posting. We are a completely different breed of fan. And yes Disney isn't concerned with us, not because we can't spark change, but because they know they have nothing to worry about. Lets be real, just look at this site. There's a lot of apologizing for the company.
When I say fans, I'm talking about the regular average everyday fan. And for whatever reason, the average Disney fan has not turned out in the numbers needed to make these films hit the way they should. And when the average fan decides to pass, that's a problem. They hold a lot of power in my opinion. When you don't have those people cheerleading for your product, you then start to lose the general movie goers.
BrianLo
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While it will finally knock down Barbie a rung, Blue Beetle is only a B+ CinemaScore though. That's the most reliable 'legs' indicator. Its long term outcome won't pull an Elemental.
After Haunted Mansion, we've got a WB 'flop' and two from Universal (The Last Voyage of the Dementor + Strays).
Paramounts' TMNT: Mutant Mayhem has a more disappointment feel. Which is a shame, I agree with @Casper Gutman, that's the studio with actually consistently good movies failing to connect.
doctornick
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WB has completely written off the remaining DCEU films as they prepare for the new unrelated films in the future. I’m pretty surprised they’ve given up on Aquaman 2 so thoroughly given the first one made a billion but there’s been virtually no hype for it.
Blue Beetle was always going to be a hard sell even under good circumstances
Blue Beetle, is a box office ho hum in numbers so far and likely to slip away to second or third and beyond in following weeks as more options are released. WB's is not too mad though. Remember this movie was going to be an HBOmax/MAX original. Unlike Evil Dead Rise, which had the same situation. This will not be a knockout for them, but it makes sense why marketing came weird and fast in some areas and nowhere else in others. That and Superhero fatigue.
CJR
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People view Disney's programming as targeting children which is why they are harder on Disney. However, what I find funny is that they give Illumination a pass, and others too, I'm sure. Barbie is another great example. BUT - they aren't Disney movies.
I bet if Disney funneled money and resources to these other studios and made nearly the same movie, there would be no controversy. It's only because these came under the Disney label that some people take offense.
The real reason, I think, these movies underperformed is because the bulk of their movies as of late, haven't been very good. Then, when they get a good one, people don't rush to see it because they're afraid to waste their money.
A good example is Elemental. People were afraid it'd be a stinker so they stayed home on its opening weekend. When word got out that it was good, people started showing up, albeit not enough. That part is due to Disney+, I think, since they're even closer to the inevitable Disney+ release date. I can't blame them either, it's a lot of money for a family of four to see a movie in theaters.
I bet if Disney funneled money and resources to these other studios and made nearly the same movie, there would be no controversy. It's only because these came under the Disney label that some people take offense.
The real reason, I think, these movies underperformed is because the bulk of their movies as of late, haven't been very good. Then, when they get a good one, people don't rush to see it because they're afraid to waste their money.
A good example is Elemental. People were afraid it'd be a stinker so they stayed home on its opening weekend. When word got out that it was good, people started showing up, albeit not enough. That part is due to Disney+, I think, since they're even closer to the inevitable Disney+ release date. I can't blame them either, it's a lot of money for a family of four to see a movie in theaters.
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CJR
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Maybe the are, maybe they're not, I don't personally care. The truth is that many of Disney's movies just haven't been seen as good or interesting to the masses. When Disney consistently puts out a good product, in the public's eyes, people will go see it. Quality will out.
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Animaniac93-98
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Blue Beatle cost $104 million to make and was originally slated for streaming. Even if it disappoints it will not be a massive write off for WB. Seems to be generally liked by those who've seen it, which is above average by DC's low standards.
The biggest problem for Disney remains that they blow $150-$300 million pre marketing on everything they put out. That's unsustainable. Blue Beatle, Oppenheimer, Spiderverse, Ninja Turtles and others had much lower budgets. Even Barbie was "only" $150 million, not $200+ million
The biggest problem for Disney remains that they blow $150-$300 million pre marketing on everything they put out. That's unsustainable. Blue Beatle, Oppenheimer, Spiderverse, Ninja Turtles and others had much lower budgets. Even Barbie was "only" $150 million, not $200+ million
Disney Irish
Premium Member
As has been discussed previously in other threads, also posted this in the strike thread, the strikes are depressing the box office by 15% (I would guess more actually) -
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Box Office Mayhem: Starless Publicity Campaigns Start to Impact Grosses
Several studio sources tell THR the new 'Ninja Turtles' film's earnings at the box office could be hurt by as much as 15 percent.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Tim Lohr
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Almost all the early films were musicals, Bambi and 101 Dalmatians aren't although they do have songs in them, and Wreck it Ralph & Zootopia are really the only non musicals that were successful but they too have songs in them.
BrianLo
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Though it's important to note Haunted Mansion post credits comes out to 120 million budget. It's kind of in the same wheelhouse as Blue Beetle as streaming fodder (whether Disney will admit to it or not). Every other one of their films were clearly more theatrically tentpole sized plays.
Barbie it is also worth noting had an unusually massive marketing budget... but oh so clearly paid off.
Jedijax719
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That's ironic because people will complain about really high marketing budgets when movies don't do as well as expected but say "it was worth it" when a movie just HAPPENS to be big. Nobody can truly pinpoint why Barbie has been the huge hit it is. It is truly a cinematic paradox.
Tha Realest
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Yes. But.
IN HINDSIGHT, you do have a brand that’s viewed as a rite of passage for generations of young girls. Which also happens to be an underserved audience. And, a film that doesn’t patronize or condescend to that audience. With legit movie stars. And a very canny marketing effort.
Tony the Tigger
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TP2000
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Weekend box office shows Haunted Mansion limping towards Labor Day. That bomb will now lose at least $150 Million for Disney.
It's also interesting to see where Elemental and Indy 5 are ending up in the summer final domestic box office. Answer: Not At The Top.
Why should Disney worry about making profitable mega-budget movies, when they've got Disney+ to, um... also lose money?
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www.the-numbers.com
It's also interesting to see where Elemental and Indy 5 are ending up in the summer final domestic box office. Answer: Not At The Top.
Why should Disney worry about making profitable mega-budget movies, when they've got Disney+ to, um... also lose money?
The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024
www.the-numbers.com
Top 20 global box office so far for 2023:
Disney has four in the top 10, five total in the top 20.
But, compare this year to 2019. Only two films have made it into the billion dollar club, compared to NINE in 2019.
Does any studio (Disney or otherwise) have a film coming out this year that will be added to the billion club?
I'd love to say Wish will perform like Frozen, and be a smash hit, but I have no clue anymore.
Disney has four in the top 10, five total in the top 20.
But, compare this year to 2019. Only two films have made it into the billion dollar club, compared to NINE in 2019.
- 2021 had one 1+ billion dollar film.
- 2022 had three 1+ billion dollar films (one of which made it to 2.32 billion)
Does any studio (Disney or otherwise) have a film coming out this year that will be added to the billion club?
I'd love to say Wish will perform like Frozen, and be a smash hit, but I have no clue anymore.
TP2000
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Who is the audience for this? And will it pull an audience?
Or are they just desperate to get a few last gasp nickels from the summer box office?
Tracking the box office for this rather odd offering will be interesting, to say the least.