Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Casper Gutman]

Sure. I will do that as soon as you define the term IP. Because in movie world, what is considered IP and not. As soon as thing is produced and owned. It is an Intellectual Property.
There is always cross over.

Also, I know your lips are chapped from favoring Disney. But Free Guy was not a theatrical hit under the rule of thumb you go by for every other studio

Here’s an idea - READ THE ARTICLES.

An IP-driven film is one where the IP is the organizing force of the film and its marketing. Actors, directors - all are in service to the IP. The appeal to the audience is primarily the IP. Tarantino talks about this - the Star is Captain America, not Chris Evans.

I had forgotten Free Guy was technically Disney. But you know me, always defending Disney on these boards. And a big fan of the rule of thumb! Why, you’d have to go back as far as… today to see me questioning it again.

Come on.

 

[celluloid]

Here’s an idea - READ THE ARTICLES.

An IP-driven film is one where the IP is the organizing force of the film and its marketing. Actors, directors - all are in service to the IP. The appeal to the audience is primarily the IP. Tarantino talks about this - the Star is Captain America, not Chris Evans.

I had forgotten Free Guy was technically Disney. But you know me, always defending Disney on these boards. And a big fan of the rule of thumb! Why, you’d have to go back as far as… today to see me questioning it again.

Come on.

Ok. Well in that case you can't have Free Guy. The star was the cameos and gags. Not Ryan Renyolds.

And it was not a hit by any means for the budget.

That definition of IP is silly. Actors, writers and directors are always in service to the story they are making. If not, than they are not doing their job.

If movies suck, they rarely do good even with the actors.

So why do you say Men In Black fit the star driven need but not a Disney MCU one?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Ok. Well in that case you can't have Free Guy. The star was the cameos and gags. Not Ryan Renyolds.

And it was not a hit by any means for the budget.

That definition of IP is silly. Actors, writers and directors are always in service to the story they are making. If not, than they are not doing their job.

If movies suck, they rarely do good even with the actors.

So why do you say Men In Black fit the star driven need but not a Disney MCU one?

For a guy named Celluloid, you really have no idea how Hollywood works or the history of the industry. Wow.

I can’t understand this for you.

 

[wtyy21]

I cut these out and put it on my fridge under a Superstar Limo magnet. It helps me keep all the flops profitable movies straight.

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One interesting note is while Elemental performed below TLM overall, it's overseas earnings officially surpassed TLM with $8 million gap between two films ($267M vs $275M according to The Numbers). The overseas earnings gap between two films will keep much growing for the next few days, especially when it also count Oppenheimer overseas earnings vs TLM live-action remake.

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[celluloid]

For a guy named Celluloid, you really have no idea how Hollywood works or the history of the industry. Wow.

I can’t understand this for you.

No kidding huh? Cool insult bro.

Everything Everywhere All at once.
A Star is Born.
I could go on but it does not matter.
Go to bed, you're cranky.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok. Well in that case you can't have Free Guy. The star was the cameos and gags. Not Ryan Renyolds.

And it was not a hit by any means for the budget.

That definition of IP is silly. Actors, writers and directors are always in service to the story they are making. If not, than they are not doing their job.

If movies suck, they rarely do good even with the actors.

So why do you say Men In Black fit the star driven need but not a Disney MCU one?

Um, Free Guy had a budget of $100M and earned $331M, I'm pretty its considered a hit. So much so that Reynolds and Levy have talked about a sequel.

 

[celluloid]

Um, Free Guy had a budget of $100M and earned $331M, I'm pretty its considered a hit. So much so that Reynolds and Levy have talked about a sequel.

Now pretend it was produced by WB, Paramount or Universal.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well the trades are the trades. They don't have an obligation to safe face as a whole. There is always some bias potentially. But do you trust a group of doctors in a health committee, or a doctor who has a TV show and is a main owner of a product more.

It's the PR job to always spin.

The trades also don't have the real financials, they have "estimates" that is all.

And some around here have claimed that many of the trades are just spin for the studios anyways. So again who do you believe if its all just spin.....

 

[Disney Irish]

Now pretend it was produced by WB, Paramount or Universal.

It would still be considered a hit based on those numbers, it doesn't matter who produced it.

Sorry but there is no gotcha moment here.

 

[celluloid]

It would still be considered a hit based on those numbers, it doesn't matter who produced it.

Sorry but there is no gotcha moment here.

Good. Then you agree finally that Disney has the worst performance this year out of all the major studios with it's massive loss.

Otherwise you are only using the rule of thumb when it be edits your narrative.

 

[Disney Irish]

Good. Then you agree finally.that Disney has the worse year out of all the major studios with it's massive loss.

That wasn't the context of this exchange, it was about one particular movie performance.

However there is no "finally" to this. I already said MANY times that Disney is having a worse year at the box office. We're way beyond that here, that is so last month, move on.

So again there is no gotcha moment or some "win" here.

 

[celluloid]

addressed the issue of Star-led IP films directly. 90s adaptations like Men in Black or Wild Wild West were STAR-DRIVEN despite the use of an IP. They were carefully customized to fit a Star

Hmmm.

If only the number one movie in the world right at this moment, for like going on for more than three weeks straight did this.


A Star driven hit in the last arbitrary number of years that has done what is quoted you say...hmmm.

So, Jumanji would qualify as well then for Star Driven. It did not stop in the 90s. The stars are just different.

You are old Casper.

 

[TP2000]

This just got a chuckle out of me. The Financial Times is using the 'f' word in its headline today about Mr. Iger and the earning's call.

Bob Iger’s Disney comeback hampered by TV woes and box office flops

Streaming losses forecast to eat into profits when media group reports results this week

www.ft.com

Bob Iger’s retirement from Disney only lasted 11 months, but since his return as chief executive in November he has admitted to being surprised by the number of problems he has discovered at the company.

The decline of the traditional television business has been worse than he thought, leading to a serious drop-off in advertising — and questions about whether the networks remain “core” assets for Disney.

A number of box office disappointments, including the recent Haunted Mansion, have prompted analysts to conclude that Disney’s vaunted movie studios have lost their creative spark.“In some cases the challenges are greater than I had anticipated,” Iger told CNBC last month. “The disruption of the [traditional TV] business has happened to a greater extent than even I was aware of.”

 

[BuddyThomas]

We will watch it this weekend if I can find it on streaming. I'll even pay for it!

Don’t get too excited unless you like movies about wine. I liked it enough, but be aware that it is only 48% positive on Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[celluloid]

This just got a chuckle out of me. The Financial Times is using the 'f' word in its headline today about Mr. Iger and the earning's call.

Bob Iger’s Disney comeback hampered by TV woes and box office flops

Streaming losses forecast to eat into profits when media group reports results this week

www.ft.com

Bob Iger’s retirement from Disney only lasted 11 months, but since his return as chief executive in November he has admitted to being surprised by the number of problems he has discovered at the company.

The decline of the traditional television business has been worse than he thought, leading to a serious drop-off in advertising — and questions about whether the networks remain “core” assets for Disney.

A number of box office disappointments, including the recent Haunted Mansion, have prompted analysts to conclude that Disney’s vaunted movie studios have lost their creative spark.“In some cases the challenges are greater than I had anticipated,” Iger told CNBC last month. “The disruption of the [traditional TV] business has happened to a greater extent than even I was

Surprised? It was only 11months. Everything that came out was pretty much greenlit under him both movies and otherwise.

Now the old dirty bat has memory loss

 

[BuddyThomas]

Heck, I'm still waiting on an answer on the mysterious $40M of international box office yet to come.

And I’m still waiting for the person who posted about how Disney is catering to people who are too poor to buy tickets to let us all know who he was talking about. I guess he is brave enough to post a wild comment like that but not brave enough to clarify. Hmmmmm.

 

[TP2000]

Surprised? It was only 11months. Everything that came out was pretty much greenlit under him both movies and otherwise.

Now the old dirty bat has memory loss

I just love how Bob talks like he was stranded on a deserted island for 5 years and is working hard to reintegrate himself into society.

In reality, he took an 11 month sabbatical, still lived in his main home in SoCal during his sabbatical, and he still dined and socialized with all the same industry leaders he had been dining and socializing with for the previous 20 years.

But he pretends that he was gone for 5 years and is just now discovering all these new things (that he was in charge of from 2005 to 2021).

 

[DKampy]

Now pretend it was produced by WB, Paramount or Universal.

I know you like to pretend Covid did not affect box office…but Free Guy was released at a time when theaters were just coming back online…I would say it’s box office was good for the time

 

[Casper Gutman]

Hmmm.

If only the number one movie in the world right at this moment, for like going on for more than three weeks straight did this.


A Star driven hit in the last arbitrary number of years that has done what is quoted you say...hmmm.

So, Jumanji would qualify as well then for Star Driven. It did not stop in the 90s. The stars are just different.

You are old Casper.

I may see the problem here.

When you get to college, take a film studies course. You'll enjoy it, but LISTEN to the professor.

 

[celluloid]

I may see the problem here.

When you get to college, take a film studies course. You'll enjoy it, but LISTEN to the professor.

*Laughs in professor*