Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Casper Gutman]

It's my distinct pleasure. I love this thread, the data we discuss, and it's various side conversations, don't you?

We all owe @Disney Analyst a churro for thinking of it.

Cute. You gonna follow up on the post where you attacked the physical appearance of a teenage actress, Iman Vellani, in really repellent terms? An actress who has been universally praised by even those disinclined to like Marvel content, who gave one of the most charming and charismatic performances in all of the MCU? You know, the post where you suggested if Marvel has to have female heroes, it should be more like "Charlie's Angels?" Because throwing crud at young actresses seems to be a pattern with you, which is ironic since you said the feminism of Barbie was so outdated.

PS: It looks like a moderator cleaned up your post for you. I'm not sure what the point is of protecting posters from thier own words and opinions.

 

[TP2000]

Cute. You gonna follow up on the post where you attacked the physical appearance of a teenage actress, Iman Vellani, in really repellent terms? An actress who has been universally praised by even those disinclined to like Marvel content, who gave one of the most charming and charismatic performances in all of the MCU? You know, the post where you suggested if Marvel has to have female heroes, it should be more like "Charlie's Angels?" Because throwing crud at young actresses seems to be a pattern with you, which is ironic since you said the feminism of Barbie was so outdated.

Well, I really liked Charlie's Angels. I watched it religiously for at least the first few seasons.

In my opinion, if Marvel is going to do an all-girl superhero movie for their core customer demographic of males aged 13 to 28, they would be wise to take a Charlie's Angels approach to it. The remake movie of that TV franchise did rather well at the box office a decade or so ago, if I remember it right.

But maybe the brain trust at Marvel is smarter than I am (not hard to do, but sometimes I surprise myself), and The Marvels will become the second movie from Disney to actually eek out a profit at the box office this year?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Well, I really liked Charlie's Angels. I watched it religiously for at least the first few seasons.

In my opinion, if Marvel is going to do an all-girl superhero movie for their core customer demographic of males aged 13 to 28, they would be wise to take a Charlie's Angels approach to it. The remake movie of that TV franchise did rather well at the box office a decade or so ago, if I remember it right.

But maybe the brain trust at Marvel is smarter than I am (not hard to do, but sometimes I surprise myself), and The Marvels will become the second movie from Disney to actually eek out a profit at the box office this year?

You were very obviously invoking the physical desirability of the characters. Your post was about how Vellani was insufficiently physically desirable to male audience members, comparing her to the girl you got "stuck" with at a party when the hot one you lusted after ignored you. It was repellent but illustrative stuff.

 

[TP2000]

You were very obviously invoking the physical desirability of the characters. Your post was about how Vellani was insufficiently physically desirable to male audience members, comparing her to the girl you got "stuck" with at a party when the hot one you lusted after ignored you. It was repellent but illustrative stuff.

Well, yes. I often notice physical desirability of other humans; at Target, at the beach club, on the tennis court, at dinner parties, several of the Kens in the dance numbers in Barbie, etc.. I may be an old fart, but I'm not dead yet.

Teenage boys and college guys are like that, but in overdrive. You can try to pretend they aren't, but you'd only be fooling yourself. It's not my personal demographic, but as I understand it the core customer demographic for Marvel is males aged 13 to 28.

I will be interested to see if The Marvels can become a movie that actually eeks out a profit at the box office for Marvel. Ant-Man failed and lost $72 Million, Guardians 3 was modestly successful with a $59 Million profit.

What will The Marvels bring at the box office? I'm not optimistic about it, from what I saw in the official trailer.

 

[Andrew C]

What will The Marvels bring at the box office? I'm not optimistic about it, from what I saw in the official trailer.

Seems more situated for straight to Disney+ rather than a theatrical release. It come across as the MCU B-team.

 

[BuddyThomas]

You were very obviously invoking the physical desirability of the characters. Your post was about how Vellani was insufficiently physically desirable to male audience members, comparing her to the girl you got "stuck" with at a party when the hot one you lusted after ignored you. It was repellent but illustrative stuff.

He was after a girl? He has insisted that he is gay about a bazillion times. Confused.

 

[celluloid]

Well, yes. Teenage boys and college guys are like that. You can try to pretend they aren't, but you'd only be fooling yourself. It's not my personal demographic, but as I understand it the core customer demographic for Marvel is males aged 13 to 28.

I will be interested to see if The Marvels can become a movie that actually eeks out a profit at the box office for Marvel. Ant-Man failed and lost $72 Million, Guardians 3 was modestly successful with a $59 Million profit.

What will The Marvels bring at the box office? I'm not optimistic about it, from what I saw in the official trailer.

It was a random analogy, and some will try and make it misogynistic the same way someone will try and label you a racist with something completely out of context or intent.

Sex-appeal sells. Disney knows this. They market with this in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways even in Marvel films. (Star Wars too)
It is funny, you make a random analogy of what a young man might have interest in with terms of eye candy with their action, and its sexist.

But the guys beating each other for fist fights for entire fight scenes of movie and destroying things is just good old clean Marvel.

 

[TP2000]

Seems more situated for straight to Disney+ rather than a theatrical release. It come across as the MCU B-team.

I'm not an expert superfan on the Marvel stuff in the least, but that's exactly the same vibe I got from that trailer....

A Disney+ series of B List characters that was somehow turned into a mega-budget Thanksgiving tentpole movie in multiplexes. Why?

The response at the box office to this movie, especially from Marvel's core customer base of young men and teenage boys, will be interesting to track here later this fall.

 

[Casper Gutman]

He was after a girl? He has insisted that he is gay about a bazillion times. Confused.

Yup. It was a fairly long bit about not getting to sleep with the hot girl and getting stuck with an annoying, unattractive one like Vellani. Who, I will repeat, was a teen when the show was filmed. And is also incredible in the role, but that's besides the point.

 

[Magenta Panther]

It's my distinct pleasure. I love this thread, the data we discuss, and it's various side conversations, don't you?

We all owe @Disney Analyst a churro for thinking of it.

I know I enjoy this thread. I especially enjoy the way some people react to it.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Yup. It was a fairly long bit about not getting to sleep with the hot girl and getting stuck with an annoying, unattractive one like Vellani. Who, I will repeat, was a teen when the show was filmed. And is also incredible in the role, but that's besides the point.

LOL. That’s pretty hysterical.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I know I enjoy this thread. I especially enjoy the way some people react to it.

There you are!

 

[TP2000]

He was after a girl? He has insisted that he is gay about a bazillion times. Confused.

No, it was a commentary about cute girls being attractive to most young guys. It obviously crossed the line and was moderated away.

But it wasn't a declaration of sexuality for me specifically.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Seems more situated for straight to Disney+ rather than a theatrical release. It come across as the MCU B-team.

If you're talking about the first trailer, with the girl doing back-flips in space and making weird wailing screeching noises...that was the WORST trailer I have ever seen for ANY movie. It was embarrassing to watch, and I don't give a fig about Marvel. It looked like a bad ad for a bad episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why would ANYONE want to watch The Marvels after seeing that trailer?

 

[Casper Gutman]

It was a random analogy, and some will try and make it misogynistic the same way someone will try and label you a racist with something completely out of context or intent.

Sex-appeal sells. Disney knows this. They market with this in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways even in Marvel films. (Star Wars too)
It is funny, you make a random analogy of what a young man might have interest in with terms of eye candy with their action, and its sexist.

But the guys beating each other for fist fights for entire fight scenes of movie and destroying things is just good old clean Marvel.

This is incoherent. It was not a subtle statement. It was misogyny by any measure.

And I'm gonna blow your mind here - the MCU didn't become the most successful franchise in film history without appealing to men and women, boys and girls. Perhaps trying to appeal to an audience segment by presenting appealing, identifiable female characters is good business. Perhaps not making every female character nothing more then an object of male is good storytelling. Perhaps the idea that strong female character will alienate male audience members is a huge indictment of those audience members and the media machine that encourages them to think of such characters as a personal attack.

 

[TP2000]

But the guys beating each other for fist fights for entire fight scenes of movie and destroying things is just good old clean Marvel.

That's an interesting point. Depictions of extreme physical violence and even killing are still acceptable in a Marvel movie. Because the core customer demographic for Marvel movies are teenage boys and young men, and they love that violent stuff.

But doing a Charlie's Angels style take for powerful female superheroes is now offensive, even though the core customer demographic of teenage boys and young men often enjoy attractive young women? That seems odd that violence is still okay, but sexual attraction is not.

 

[celluloid]

This is incoherent. It was not a subtle statement. It was misogyny by any measure.

And I'm gonna blow your mind here - the MCU didn't become the most successful franchise in film history without appealing to men and women, boys and girls. Perhaps trying to appeal to an audience segment by presenting appealing, identifiamale character will alienate male audience members is a huge indictment of those audience members and the media machine that encourages them to tble female characters is good business. Perhaps not making every female character nothing more then an object of male is good storytelling. Perhaps the idea that strong fehink of such characters as a personal attack.

And I am going to blow your mind here. Sex-Appeal and action is not just for the guys. Girls often like it too. (or whatever appeal gender to other gender you wish) The audiences are not a monolith and like cerebral and aesthetic.

Insane right?

Incredibly Misogynistic of you to presume only men are attracted to it.

Almost Like they are all human and not to be painted as a monolith.

No one feels attacked. You sound like you are going for the Ghostbusters 2016 offended film makers who instantly presumed hating men was the reason people suddenly stopped seeing that movie. It could not possibly be because it reached the point where no one wanted to give it money anymore because they did not fancy the type of movie it was, not the lead genders.

But go ahead and prime the latest excuse now. Captain Marvel 2 will fail expectations because of misogynistic men would not give it a chance.

 

[Casper Gutman]

To be clear, Vellani is the most likable and engaging addition to the MCU since Downey and her show was delightful. Even many of our resident Disney attackers enjoyed it. The criticisms by folks who haven't seen it are far more telling of who they are then it is illustrative of anything about the show, character, or upcoming film.

 

[BuddyThomas]

If you're talking about the first trailer, with the girl doing back-flips in space and making weird wailing screeching noises...that was the WORST trailer I have ever seen for ANY movie. It was embarrassing to watch, and I don't give a fig about Marvel. It looked like a bad ad for a bad episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why would ANYONE want to watch The Marvels after seeing that trailer?

That’s the worst trailer you have seen for any movie? Seriously? How long have you been going to the movies?

10 Terrible Trailers for Great Movies

Sometimes trailers can be a tad misleading. We've all seen trailers that got us all pumped up for films that turned out to be kind of weak. But the

gizmodo.com

 

[celluloid]

To be clear, Vellani is the most likable and engaging addition to the MCU since Downey and her show was delightful. Even many of our resident Disney attackers enjoyed it. The criticisms by folks who haven't seen it are far more telling of who they are then it is illustrative of anything about the show, character, or upcoming film.

Woosh. That was close, your stance on speaking for many was almost unclear there.