Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Elemental was an original screenplay.
It was in reference to the biggest money losers this year when I said All. I should have specified. As @Sirwalterraleigh pointed out. There is a reason that one kicked against the odds with legs for awhile. Ultimately more of Disney's diminished audience trust hurt it as well. It certainly has plenty of marketing, but was not very interesting for most kids and families with kids. My kids had zero desire to see it and I wanted to. Further to Disney having a Disney problem with brand trust, which is not opinion but factually has numbers and professional expert reports in the business world. Duds before that release did not do it any favors.

As for release schedule with what was said by @Disney Irish

Evil Dead Rise did just fine releasing in late spring as you can get. Originally it was going to be straight to streaming last year. WB is sure glad they did not do that now. It would have helped The HM a bit, but not enough on its own. It still has to make a ROI and that alone would. It could not possibly be due to it being an ok, it good or great film and a remake of an ok box office dud from only twenty years ago.

At some point we have to admit Disney's haunted Mansion opened against better films with audience having more desire to see anything else out right now and would have had to have been the only release to do better.
*Looks to Mutant Mayhem already surpassing HM box office*
Yep.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
I know Wish, the soccer comedy and Creator. They all come out this holiday season. Not sure what other three are. I am sure band camp is in there.

Nothing to save them from the hundreds of millions to billions they lost this year so far. U less Wish and Creator are both record breakers beyond comprehension. Doubtful.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Did you like it? I thought it was very good. It seems a shame people aren’t giving it a chance.
That’s not a “shame”…it’s a failure in the market. People had 2 months in theaters to go see it. Most declined.

We saw haunted mansion and liked it ok because of our parks travel…

But it wasn’t a good movie and flopped.
As with all opinions in a company that sells to masses…only the consensus one matters.
 

Jedijax719

Well-Known Member
The sequels all made over a billion!!! Solo would have done a billion if Iger hadn't screwed up the release date!!! Star wars has never been more popular!!! They're only just ironing out their next slate of theatrical releases!!! Everything is just fine you hater!!!

Did I just about cover it all

:cautious:
I thought this was serious for a moment. You almost had me. Well, not really. But at least the first sentence was actually true.

Someone just said that Cocaine Bear underperformed. It made over $1. That right there is overperformance for something like that.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Boogeyman
Elemental
Chevalier
The Creator
Next Goal Wins
Wish
Theater Camp (forgot this one)

And personally I would put Haunting in Venice in there as number 8, but I'll leave it off since its based on a book and previous tv shows and movies.

So 2 of those are being released by their 2 big animation studios, 2 are being released by 20th Century, and 3 being released by Searchlight.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Boogeyman
Elemental
Chevalier
The Creator
Next Goal Wins
Wish
Theater Camp (forgot this one)

And personally I would put Haunting in Venice in there as number 8, but I'll leave it off since its based on a book and previous tv shows and movies.

So 2 of those are being released by their 2 big animation studios, 2 are being released by 20th Century, and 3 being released by Searchlight.
How many of those have been released?

But I’ll play…let’s check the tally when they are released…
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Boogeyman
Elemental
Chevalier
The Creator
Next Goal Wins
Wish
Theater Camp (forgot this one)

And personally I would put Haunting in Venice in there as number 8, but I'll leave it off since its based on a book and previous tv shows and movies.

So 2 of those are being released by their 2 big animation studios, 2 are being released by 20th Century, and 3 being released by Searchlight.

With that logic you would have to not count Boogeyman either, at is is based on the Stephen King story. I don't particularly care, just saying.

Venice would be out moreso because it is a third installment in my eyes. It's a franchise. So that would not be in there at any rate.

Theater camp is micro budget and probably should have an easy time going green.

The others who knows. Creator has like a 87 million budget but I have never heard of it until this thread. Wish needs to seriously go to bat marketing hard. It is a tent pole reliant hopeful budget for sure at 200 million.

The others, like Creator, who knows.

We shall.see, as the rest all come out this fall/Christmas.
 
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BrianLo

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It’s cute that you think really any of that changes the reality on the ground

They’re not good movies being rejected by the audiences…for a number of reasons.

Guardians was a really good movie and overperformed a sliding/saturated MCU with a less popular comic book franchise…historically

Elementals had a Rough start at first but it’s a pretty decent movie…so it’s recovering

The rest are bland and/or hot garbage

Occam’s Razor time

I mean reading comprehension aside, the discussion was never about popularity. It was whether Mermaid was liked. You used the word popularity and then the two stooges piled on.

Mermaid's global performance was quite disappointing and I've never said otherwise. Half of the discussion here is faux outrage over things people are not actually saying.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I mean reading comprehension aside, the discussion was never about popularity. It was whether Mermaid was liked. You used the word popularity and then the two stooges piled on.

Mermaid's global performance was quite disappointing and I've never said otherwise. Half of the discussion here is faux outrage over things people are not actually saying.
Right…and the rest are BS excuses no one honestly believes…

So here we are on another day ending in “y”
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Paritcularly funny is that Horror films or Halloween motief films are so commomly released near the dog days of summer, and quite often successfully so that they could do well both in theatrical release and.get.a bump near the season if they are still playing, and coming to home screens by Halloween time proper.

We can just say that HM had bigger issues than it's scheduling.
 

Jedijax719

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HM actually isn't doing much differently compared to most horror movies. Just that those other horror movies cost peanuts to make.

On a different, but still box office related note, I am shocked that Sound of Freedom STILL made money this past weekend!
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Some…which they need more of…honestly

however…of their now official 5 of 6 BO TENTPOLE failures since 2023 started…4 of the 5 are sequels/remakes/etc.
Yes right now most of their "tentpoles" have been sequels/remakes, but honestly that has been selling in years past. So its understandable why they greenlit those films when they did. The winds changed in the audience tastes and now it back to more original content.

So yeah I agree more original content is likely needed. But to say they aren't releasing original content, as some have said, is incorrect.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Yes right now most of their "tentpoles" have been sequels/remakes, but honestly that has been selling in years past. So its understandable why they greenlit those films when they did. The winds changed in the audience tastes and now it back to more original content.

So yeah I agree more original content is likely needed. But to say they aren't releasing original content, as some have said, is incorrect.

All of their major money losers(except the Chevalier outlier which failed) were remakes and sequels.
 

Casper Gutman

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Boogeyman
Elemental
Chevalier
The Creator
Next Goal Wins
Wish
Theater Camp (forgot this one)

And personally I would put Haunting in Venice in there as number 8, but I'll leave it off since its based on a book and previous tv shows and movies.

So 2 of those are being released by their 2 big animation studios, 2 are being released by 20th Century, and 3 being released by Searchlight.
And before the strike reshuffle and various legal issues, original films Poor Things and Magazine Dreams were also slated for a 2023 release.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
OK, so now the goalposts seem to have shifted to "original IP tentpoles." Hey, you know which studio has an original IP tentpole slated this year? Disney, with The Creator (and Wish). And you know which studio more consistently produced original IP tentpole hits then any other? Disney, with their animated films.

This conversation is infuriating, because the terms keep slipping from box office to diverse slates to non-IP originals to film quality and back again whenever its convenient. It's not a real discussion.
 

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