Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[GimpYancIent]

Yup. It's not as bad as Bud Light, but it's similar. Bud Light's executive leader went on record with a friendly interviewer saying that as the brand's leader she didn't like her core customers and found them to be unstylish and worthy of scorn, and she wanted to replace them with new core customers by changing the marketing and the type of new customer she was after. A few days later, Dylan showed up.

The problem was that there weren't nearly enough of that "better" customers waiting to buy her product, and they never showed up. And she had insulted and annoyed her core customers so much they stopped buying her product immediately.

The result is now the biggest brand implosion in American business history. Disney isn't at that same level of disaster yet, but it's on the path to that end result. Will Disney course correct in time? Or will Disney just keep doubling down and hope that customers finally give up and buy Disney's products again en masse like they used to?

Free market / capitalism that means competition, if the public does not like or want your product anymore there are alternatives and they may prove to even be of better quality.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

None of what is in this quote from you is my opinion. You are fabricating this. Not sure what goal you have.

Again, never said it was the cause.

All I said is I don't see them throwing a big budget at a large-scale Pirates of the Caribbean series. Not a good climate for it while budgets for shows are larger than ever and subscribers are leaving.

All the studios are saying “cheap…less…saving” talking about their movies and stream material

All of them.

That just shows how badly they’re looking at the forecasts and the business model…

The problem is people don’t want to pay for cheaper and less quality.

Kinda a razors edge there

 

[TP2000]

I think it's laugh out loud funny that I said this...

Agreed, which is why you'll find my artistic commentary on movies I have not seen is relegated to the trailers or the marketing that I have seen.

And you reply with this...

Again, this just isn’t true:

And then offer as proof two comments from me from last year where I offer artistic commentary on the trailers and marketing that I saw.

If that's not deliciously funny stuff, I don't know what is.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Free market / capitalism that means competition, if the public does not like or want your product anymore there are alternatives and they may prove to even be of better quality.

I think you meant “competition”…but point well taken.

The stink around here is somehow Disney product should never be rejected…and if it is…it’s a conspiracy

Maybe it just sucks right now? Like Indy and antman

 

[LittleBuford]

I think it's laugh out loud funny that I said this...


And you reply with this...



And then offer as proof two comments from me from last year where I offer artistic commentary on the trailers and marketing that I saw.

If that's not deliciously funny stuff, I don't know what is.

I’m pointing out that you have not, as you repeatedly claim, refrained from making artistic criticisms of films you haven’t seen.
You have, and multiple times to boot.

I know you’ll have some clever and evasive response, but your posts speak for themselves.

 

[TP2000]

I’m pointing out that you have not, as you repeatedly claim, refrained from making artistic criticisms of films you haven’t seen.
You have, and multiple times to boot.

I'll just restate what I said. And I stand by my personal opinion based on the Strange World marketing that all of their noses in that movie were unattractive and the three-legged dog was kind of creepy.

Agreed, which is why you'll find my artistic commentary on movies I have not seen is relegated to the trailers or the marketing that I have seen.

I know you’ll have some clever and evasive response, but your posts speak for themselves.

Well, that's kind of you. And I would hope my posts speak for themselves. They are from the heart, sent with love.

 

[TP2000]

I think you meant “competition”…but point well taken.

The stink around here is somehow Disney product should never be rejected…and if it is…it’s a conspiracy.

I don't get that either. The free market is one of the most powerful communication tools that humans have ever invented. When people spend their own hard-earned money on a product, that is a powerful message. And when they do not spend their own money on a product, that's also a powerful message.

Disney has received a giant message in bright bold letters this year from the free market, both domestically and overseas.

How will Disney respond to that message? And what's even scarier to think about... has Disney even heard it yet?

Maybe it just sucks right now? Like Indy and antman

It might just be a string of really bad luck, starting last year with Lightyear. But with every new movie they release that flops, that's a theory that gets harder and harder to rationally support. The faceplant that Haunted Mansion just did is the latest data point.

Next up.... The Marvels and Wish in November. Tick, tick, tick, tick...

 

[Disney Irish]

None of what is in this quote from you is my opinion. You are fabricating this. Not sure what goal you have.

Again, never said it was the cause.

All I said is I don't see them throwing a big budget at a large-scale Pirates of the Caribbean series. Not a good climate for it while budgets for shows are larger than ever and subscribers are leaving.

I'm not fabricating, just basing it on the way you write your posts, it reads as though you're conflating a bunch of stuff together. The loss of subs and budgets being high are really two different things.

To comment on the Pirates conversation. I agree if there is a D+ show in the works it likely won't get a high budget, but I can seem them creating a more lower budget character dialog driven version. It doesn't require a lot of budget when you're dealing with dialog and small sets.

 

[celluloid]

To comment on the Pirates conversation. I agree if there is a D+ show in the works it likely won't get a high budget, but I can seem them creating a more lower budget character dialog driven version. It doesn't require a lot of budget when you're dealing with dialog and small sets.

Smells like a hit! Particularly as those writers pay increases!

 

[TP2000]

Here's a fun thing we can look forward to this week...

Disney's next earnings call is this Wednesday afternoon at 1:30pm Burbank time. They'll reveal company earnings for April, May, June. The box office results for Guardians 3 and most of Little Mermaid will be included there. Elemental and Indy 5 were released later in June so we won't see much impact from those two films yet until the November earnings call.

But on Wednesday's call we should get some good info on where Disney was headed at the box office and at the parks during this past Easter vacation and going into the early summer kickoff.

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[Disney Irish]

Smells like a hit! Particularly as those writers pay increases!

Didn't we just have a lower budget character dialog driven film be a hit something which you were saying Disney needed more of, oh yeah Oppenheimer.

So yeah its possible it can be a hit, if it were to happen. I'm not saying it will, just that its possible to be done even with Pirates whether in theaters or on D+.

 

[TP2000]

Come on now, remember. You are a monolith!

I'm going to jot that down and put it on my fridge.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney Fans: Disney is a cheapskate.

Also Disney Fans: Disney spends too much money on their movies.

 

[celluloid]

Disney Fans: Disney is a cheapskate.

Also Disney Fans: Disney spends too much money on their movies.

In business, there is something called return on investment and diversifying.

Bob Iger and execs could have benefitted from The Great Piggy Bank Adventure!

 

[Andrew C]

Disney Fans: Disney is a cheapskate.

Also Disney Fans: Disney spends too much money on their movies.

Ehh. They spent inefficiently at the parks and on their movies.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Didn't we just have a lower budget character dialog driven film be a hit something which you were saying Disney needed more of, oh yeah Oppenheimer.

So yeah its possible it can be a hit, if it were to happen. I'm not saying it will, just that its possible to be done even with Pirates whether in theaters or on D+.

Oppenheimer is Christopher Nolan, dude…

He’s probably the second most bankable director in Hollywood right now

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ehh. They spent inefficiently at the parks and on their movies.

Yeah I think that’s what is accurate

But you know…some people really NEED them to be a martyr 365 days a year

 

[Disney Irish]

Oppenheimer is Christopher Nolan, dude…

He’s probably the second most bankable director in Hollywood right now

I'm not stating otherwise. I would say a major part of Oppenheimer's success is Nolan.

I'm just pointing out that a lower budget character dialog driven film has been successful, something which the poster claimed Disney need more of in this very thread not more than a page or two ago. So it can be successful, even with a franchise like Pirates, and doesn't have to be expensive. Heck see if Nolan can be convinced to direct, lol.

 

[celluloid]

Didn't we just have a lower budget character dialog driven film be a hit something which you were saying Disney needed more of, oh yeah Oppenheimer.

So yeah its possible it can be a hit, if it were to happen. I'm not saying it will, just that its possible to be done even with Pirates whether in theaters or on D+.

Sure possible, but I don't think a well crafted biopic about the man and situations that lead to the atomic bomb align with the budget a swashbuckling based series may ask of eight episodes for streaming.

Is that so difficult to separate?

I stand by what I said. Not a good time to remake the swashbuckling adventures into a remake series and neuter the budget to make it.
even less than what people expect. And I say that as someone who loves good dialogue.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sure possible, but I don't think a well crafted biopic about the man and situations that lead to the atomic bomb align with the budget a swashbuckling based series may ask of eight episodes.

Is that so difficult to separate?

I stand by what I said. Not a good time to remake the swashbuckling adventures into a remake series and neuter the budget to make.kt.even less than what people expect. And I say that as someone who loves good dialogue.

My point is whether a biopic, or swashbuckling, or whatever genre lower budget character dialog driven content is possible and has been successful. Again this is something you claim that Disney needs more of, so really I'm in alignment with you on that. Now whether that means a Pirates D+ show, or a movie, or anything else, I don't know.

As for whether right now is the right time for such content, specifically with Pirates, not sure. But if not now, then when would be a good time for lower budget character dialog driven content to be made?