Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

GimpYancIent

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There was a point in time when Margot Robbie was to assume the lead character position in the Pirates of The Caribbean series. With her success in Barbie I wonder if the thought of restarting Pirates of the Caribbean with Margot Robbie in the lead could be rekindled?
 
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erasure fan1

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There was a point in time when Marot Robbie was to assume the lead character position in the Pirates of The Caribbean series. With her success in Barbie I wonder if the thought of restarting Pirates of the Caribbean with Margo Robbie in the lead could be rekindled?
I'd bet Disney would love to cast her in a new pirates of the Caribbean film. Unfortunately for too many people, myself included, without Depp, it's just a generic pirates movie. nd I think Disney realizes that. I don't see Disney pulling the trigger anytime soon as pirates movies cost a ton to make. If they can mend the fence with Depp to come back and create a pass the torch type movie, you have a chance. Otherwise, just let it be.
 

GimpYancIent

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I'd bet Disney would love to cast her in a new pirates of the Caribbean film. Unfortunately for too many people, myself included, without Depp, it's just a generic pirates movie. nd I think Disney realizes that. I don't see Disney pulling the trigger anytime soon as pirates movies cost a ton to make. If they can mend the fence with Depp to come back and create a pass the torch type movie, you have a chance. Otherwise, just let it be.
True, not likely to happen. Oh well. Depp brings a lot of baggage that Disney does not want to deal with.

Have to admit Robbie would be easier on the eyes than Depp.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I'd bet Disney would love to cast her in a new pirates of the Caribbean film. Unfortunately for too many people, myself included, without Depp, it's just a generic pirates movie. nd I think Disney realizes that. I don't see Disney pulling the trigger anytime soon as pirates movies cost a ton to make. If they can mend the fence with Depp to come back and create a pass the torch type movie, you have a chance. Otherwise, just let it be.

I think “Red” would be a good character for a new PoTC movie. Not as a continuation of the previous movies but more like a “Solo” style backstory.
 

LSLS

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If you’re CEO of Disney, precisely what films do you green light? I’m not looking for silly responses like “good ones,” and if your answer is “cheaper ones,” I’d like to know exactly where you cut costs. Also, bear in mind you’re making films for an audience that hasn’t turned a non-IP film into a hit since well before the pandemic - and those were Disney animated films of the type the company is still very dedicated to producing.

So - Barbie and Mario are big hits - what specific films do you green light?
I almost wonder if the issue is Disney gets a success and then just leans too heavily into it. Like remakes start to become hits. And then they do them to death. Same with marvel. And even star wars to an extent (take away your thoughts on the films, they had a lot go through pretty shortly). Basically they oversaturate the market with the same style.
 

Ghost93

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I'd bet Disney would love to cast her in a new pirates of the Caribbean film. Unfortunately for too many people, myself included, without Depp, it's just a generic pirates movie. nd I think Disney realizes that. I don't see Disney pulling the trigger anytime soon as pirates movies cost a ton to make. If they can mend the fence with Depp to come back and create a pass the torch type movie, you have a chance. Otherwise, just let it be.
I think the smart thing to do would have Margot Robbie be the lead and Johnny Depp/Jack Sparrow be a prominent supporting character.

Jack Sparrow actually was not the protagonist of Curse of the Black Pearl — that role was split between Will and Elizabeth. Jack was just a very important supporting character who left the biggest impact due to Depp's performance. I think one of the reasons the later Pirates movies didn't work as well as the first one is because they forced Jack to be the protagonist and he doesn't work as well in that role.

I just think Pirates 5 needs a good script and a director as talented and creative as Gore Verbinski. On Stranger Tides and Dead Men Tell No Tales suffered from not having a director as talented as Verbinski in charge to spice up the action scenes.
 

erasure fan1

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I think “Red” would be a good character for a new PoTC movie. Not as a continuation of the previous movies but more like a “Solo” style backstory.
While I think she could make for a cool character. I'm just not sure a cold turkey switch would go over with the general public. Jack is the pirates franchise in my opinion. Now I wouldn't mind a younger Jack like in pirates 5. And if you incorporate Red, you might have a chance.
Will still be hard to get people on board without Depp.
Yea, I agree. With a young Jack Sparrow it's a possibility. The character is just hands down one of the most iconic ever.
 

Jedijax719

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A Margot Robbie POTC movie would theoretically be a SMASH. But the question is whether it's Margot that is bringing in crowds for Barbie or just Barbie itself.

I've wanted a POTC series for D+ for a while though and think it's a great way to go.
 

Tony the Tigger

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That is certainly true for some, even many, people. It’s not me though. I just want to be entertained and like movies to be escapism from the real world. It’s one of the reasons I love the MCU as it’s generally black and white good vs evil stuff with some humor tossed in. That’s what I crave in my movies. Admittedly others are different though most things that tend to entice me are those that do well in the box office because I think they tend to have broad appeal and don’t offend any particular groups.
The problem is what some people are offended by and want to escape from in a 3 second clip is a positive representation of gay people existing at all.
 

erasure fan1

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A Margot Robbie POTC movie would theoretically be a SMASH. But the question is whether it's Margot that is bringing in crowds for Barbie or just Barbie itself.

I've wanted a POTC series for D+ for a while though and think it's a great way to go.
That's a good question. People seem to love her as Harley Quinn. But they didn't show up for the suicide squad or birds of prey. But the original suicide squad did fairly well, so who knows. A D+ series could work, I'm just not sure Disney has the chops to pull it off. I just think they are still trying to find their way in the TV series space. The vast majority of their series have been mediocre to not great. And even the better ones have some problems.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Have you seen the remake of The Little Mermaid to know whether it abandons the nostalgia? As a huge fan of the 1989 film, I found the new version a very satisfying tribute to it, right down to the Jodi Benson cameo. Could you cite specific ways in which this particular remake is any less nostalgic than its forerunners?
I’ve been struggling to find the right words to answer this, I haven’t seen the Little Mermaid yet, waiting for D+, but that’s largely a result of the previous remakes.

The first several remakes either retold the original story more or less faithful to the original (Cinderella, Jungle Book, B&TB) or they completely changed the story and looked at it from a new perspective (Cruella, Maleficent), the last few remakes (Pinocchio, Mulan, Peter Pan and Wendy) have taken the story we know and retold it as the same story but also making major changes, it’s not enough to be an interesting new story but it’s enough it doesn’t feel like the original story either, they’re kind of Frankenstein stories that are half original story and half new story, as a result they kind of feel nostalgic but they also don’t feel nostalgic.

Mulan is probably the best example, in the original she is a normal daughter who does a selfless act to save her father, we watch her grow and learn how to be a warrior, in the end she earns the respect of the soldiers around her through perseverance, in the remake she was never weak and never needed to overcome barriers, she was essentially a superhuman from childhood and she dominated at everything she did, the story lost its heart because her overcoming the odds and becoming a great warrior was the essence of the story, at least that’s always been my take on the story. It felt similar but it didn’t feel nostalgic, it felt like they ruined it.

I didn’t even make it to the end of Peter Pan and Wendy because it was similar but at the same time it didn’t even feel like the same story and I couldn’t sit through it. Ironically Hook is one of my all time favorite movies, which highlights how telling a new story based on a known story can be incredibly successful. I suffered through and finished Pinocchio but was left disappointed at the end and feeling like I’d wasted my time.

Disney is fighting an uphill battle because they’ve conditioned me to expect their new remakes to be Frankensteins that don’t feel enough like the originals to be truly nostalgic but also don’t feel unique enough to feel truly new either. Until they can change that perception there’s no need for me to give them my hard earned money at the theater rather than waiting for D+.
 
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Jedijax719

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That's a good question. People seem to love her as Harley Quinn. But they didn't show up for the suicide squad or birds of prey. But the original suicide squad did fairly well, so who knows. A D+ series could work, I'm just not sure Disney has the chops to pull it off. I just think they are still trying to find their way in the TV series space. The vast majority of their series have been mediocre to not great. And even the better ones have some problems.
They've had several series ideas out there in rumorville. Zorro, 1001 Arabian Nights, 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea (which I believe is actually happening), Percy Jackson (also happening), Keepers of the Lost Cities (Ben Affleck wants to do that), and some others. They have to find a balance between what is suitable for a young audience and what can appeal to adults. They're struggling to find that with the exception of Mandalorian, Andor, and a couple of MCU shows. Everything else looks like it belongs on Disney Channel. That's a SERIOUS problem moving forward since SW and MCU's popularity will fluctuate over time. And the problem is only exacerbated more by the strike.

I also read that a POTC animated series is coming. NO, NO, NO, and MORE NO to that!!! D+ should not and CANNOT become an extension of Disney Channel.

Oh, btw, if they wanted to actually DO a spin off of POTC, they could focus on Anamaria (Zoe Saldana). Kyliegh Curran (Secrets of Sulfur Springs) is a striking resemblance of a young Zoe Saldana and did a very good job on her show.
 

Disney Irish

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They've had several series ideas out there in rumorville. Zorro, 1001 Arabian Nights, 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea (which I believe is actually happening), Percy Jackson (also happening), Keepers of the Lost Cities (Ben Affleck wants to do that), and some others. They have to find a balance between what is suitable for a young audience and what can appeal to adults. They're struggling to find that with the exception of Mandalorian, Andor, and a couple of MCU shows. Everything else looks like it belongs on Disney Channel. That's a SERIOUS problem moving forward since SW and MCU's popularity will fluctuate over time. And the problem is only exacerbated more by the strike.

I also read that a POTC animated series is coming. NO, NO, NO, and MORE NO to that!!! D+ should not and CANNOT become an extension of Disney Channel.

Oh, btw, if they wanted to actually DO a spin off of POTC, they could focus on Anamaria (Zoe Saldana). Kyliegh Curran (Secrets of Sulfur Springs) is a striking resemblance of a young Zoe Saldana and did a very good job on her show.
Umm, with linear tv dying one has to assume that at some point in the fairly near future Disney moves all their Disney Channel production and content to D+. So I'm sorry but its inevitable for D+ to become an extension, or really a replacement, for Disney Channel. The difference is it won't be its entire focus, but merely another production pipeline going into D+.
 

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