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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I'm going to ask a Superman spoilers question because it's been bothering me for several days and I'm not sure where else to ask it ...

SPOILERS

How the hell did Lex Luthor think that "drowning" Superman by filling his lungs with nanobytes so he couldn't breathe was going to kill Superman ... when Superman routinely flies into outer space and clearly does not require breathing or oxygen (at least for extensive periods of time, if at all)?
Welcome to comic book logic where plot holes exist and you have to suspend disbelief for most movies.

I have to assume that by this point (only 3 years since going public) Superman hasn't been to space yet for Lex to know this.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
Interesting.

I would file that conundrum along with others from the 1978 Superman, which was a classic tale of American immigration. 🧐

I remember being eternally bugged by the concept of Lex Luthor making California fall into the sea by setting off an atomic bomb on the San Andreas Fault. Nevermind the terribly clever new place names he gave to his desert, suddenly coastal, properties like "Marina Del Lex". I could not for the life of me think how 500 miles of coastline would simply fall into the sea and disappear. The San Andreas is a Strike-Slip Fault for Godsakes, it's not even close to a Reverse Thrust Fault! :banghead:

Anyone who watched PBS West Coast stations in the 1970's knew the San Andreas was a Strike-Slip Fault.
When I lived in Los Angeles, I used to purposefully annoy my friends by asserting that the greatest hero in film history was Gene Hackman in Superman because, if successful, his plan would have knocked Los Angeles into the ocean.

texas GIF


/Otisburg seemed nice.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Interesting.

I would file that conundrum along with others from the 1978 Superman, which was a classic tale of American immigration. 🧐

I remember being eternally bugged by the concept of Lex Luthor making California fall into the sea by setting off an atomic bomb on the San Andreas Fault. Nevermind the terribly clever new place names he gave to his desert, suddenly coastal, properties like "Marina Del Lex". I could not for the life of me think how 500 miles of coastline would simply fall into the sea and disappear. The San Andreas is a Strike-Slip Fault for Godsakes, it's not even close to a Reverse Thrust Fault! :banghead:

Anyone who watched PBS West Coast stations in the 1970's knew the San Andreas was a Strike-Slip Fault.
Yes but for the other 200M people in the US (population at 222M in the US in 1978 and 22M in California) at the time that didn't grow up studying the San Andreas it seemed plausible since that was always the joke, that a good earthquake would make it fall into the Pacific.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Yes but for the other 200M people in the US (population at 222M in the US in 1978 and 22M in California) at the time that didn't grow up studying the San Andreas...

I just love Google! Honestly, what would we do without it now?!? It's funny to think about, but there's an entire generation of children who grew up not even knowing a world without it.

Encyclopedia Britannica, my foot! And just try looking that up in your Funk & Wagnalls. 🤣
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I just love Google! Honestly, what would we do without it now?!? It's funny to think about, but there's an entire generation of children who grew up not even knowing a world without it.

Encyclopedia Britannica, my foot! And just try looking that up in your Funk & Wagnalls. 🤣
Heck I venture to guess that most of the US outside of California still doesn't know, or at the very least doesn't care, about the San Andreas and the type of fault it is and whether a huge quake on it would actually cause the state to fall into the Pacific or not. Google or no Google.

Also you do know that other search engines existed before Google, they even exist today.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Heck I venture to guess that most of the US outside of California still doesn't know, or at the very least doesn't care, about the San Andreas and the type of fault it is and whether a huge quake on it would actually cause the state to fall into the Pacific or not. Google or no Google.

Also you do know that other search engines existed before Google, they even exist today.

I was referring to the exact population stats for the USA and California in 1978. It would've taken me some time, and the data would be at least a year or two old, if I'd tried to look that up in an Encyclopedia Britannica in 1978. Or had to wait for the public library to open in the morning to have access to it.

It's an amazing world we live in now compared to 1978! That was my only point. :)
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I was referring to the exact population stats for the USA and California in 1978. It would've taken me some time, and the data would be at least a year or two old, if I'd tried to look that up in an Encyclopedia Britannica in 1978. Or had to wait for the public library to open in the morning to have access to it.

It's an amazing world we live in now compared to 1978! That was my only point. :)
I'm aware of what you were referring to, I was just expanding on my point. Also as mentioned there were other search engines available before Google, and many others available today as well. Google doesn't have to be the only search tool used is my point.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I'm aware of what you were referring to, I was just expanding on my point. Also as mentioned there were other search engines available before Google, and many others available today as well. Google doesn't have to be the only search tool used is my point.

Oh, I know. I just generally go to Google. It's the easiest to use for me, but I'm sure there are others available. I've tried Bing once or twice, but it was noticeably inferior. Especially for pictures.

Is there a better one than Google I should be using? I'm surprised Google hasn't been busted up by the FCC yet. If they busted up the Bell System, then Google seems an even bigger target. Even at its height, and sponsorship of CircleVision at Disneyland, the Bell System didn't have quite the hold on communications and information-gathering that Google has today.

Oh, dear. We're way off topic on Box Office now. My fault! :(
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Also you do know that other search engines existed before Google, they even exist today.
As someone who was very familiar with Yahoo and Lycos and AskJeeves (and Prodigy and Compuserve before that), and remembers when “the internet” was a disparate set of Usenet forums, the Google of two plus decades ago was truly revolutionary. It’s now entered the lexicon as default for “internet search engine,” and I can tell you from personal experience my kids and their friends don’t consciously use “Google,” but rather some combination of Siri and AI software to answer basic questions. Ex., I don’t believe my youngest, who doesn’t have a personal device and only uses Siri to prompt searches, has ever consciously gone to Google.com and typed a query.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Just saw Superman, wasn’t a fan but loved the Dog. Way too silly. I put this in the league of Superman 3 with Richard Pryor. Not close to Superman 1/2.
Felt like a tv show.
kids were split. Both loved the dog one thiught Jurassic film was better other thought this film was better then Jurassic.
I can totally see that side of it

I look at it this way: I like the tone of it…but I don’t want to spoil it. I think the actors were very good in their characters too…which is in most non-spoiler reviews. You got nothing if the performances aren’t good.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So still about past arguments and grievances from the past decade with you? Time to let that go and move on, its not good to hold onto that.

And it might have been obvious to you, but it clearly wasn't obvious to everyone which is why the fandom broke into two main factions (and more later on) and became toxic. Many camps on this one, no matter what ultimately happened with Rian.

Also fans are human are they not? Humans are inherently stupid, one just needs to look at the state of the world right now and you can see this. So don't try to put the fandom into some higher state of being devoid of stupidity just because of some past grievance.


Second weekend drops for Superman will be interesting. Is this weekend just a pop because its new or is it a starting trend for the weeks to come?

F4 will also be interesting as it will indicate where things are with the MCU. I also still disagree with your assessment that F4 are fringe, the public is familiar with these characters by now (after 3 previous movies), so whether or not they were originally is irrelevant.
There is nothing “past grievances” about the current state of Disneys Star Wars…they have lost…and will continue to lose billions in ancillary sales until they get some non diehards back into the room with some fist pumping in front of the screen…be that a silver one or a LED one on a wall.

The supporters of this disjointed nonsense from the KK regime have been proven wrong and will continue to be. It doesn’t matter if I say it…or you admit it…the die is cast. They best do better. Here Endeth the lesson.

Now back to superheroes

I actually think Superman will see the least drop off of a second week of any major release this year…but that’s just a hunch

And fantastic four is still heading for troubled waters…but again…just a hunch

Let’s see it play?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
He is certainly easy on the eyes, that's for sure. I do see a lot of similarities with Christopher Reeve.

I can only imagine the knife-edged jawline young Mr. Reeve would've had in '78 if he'd had access to all those jaw exercise contraptions the young guys use now. I wonder which one young Mr. Corenswet is using? Whatever it is, it's working! 🤣
I loved Maisel as Lois

100%…maybe the best ever. And I really wanted to love Amy Adams…but it just didn’t work
 
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Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
I loved Maisel as Lois

100%…maybe the best ever. And I really waned to love Amy Adams…but it just didn’t work
I appreciated Kidder for her boldness, and it feels decidedly groundbreaking considering the era in which the film was made/set. I didn’t get how Superman would/was attracted to her, as I found her demeanor and mental games off putting.

Hatcher combined both sides perfectly well, but in a show that felt uneven (even to a young teen at the time).

Delaney brought a great personality to the voice role, but it always felt weird as I associated her as The Phantasm at the time.

Durance checked the box of “who would Superman be attracted to,” but I never bought the “elite journalist” aspect of her character. That show was completely nonserious so perhaps that’s why.

Adams, until now, tied with Hatcher (in my view) as the best combo of the necessary traits for the character. It also helps those two were (until now) the best actresses to portray the character in the modern times (I don’t count the serials or the Fleischer cartoons).

I never watched Superman and Lois as I had long checked out of the CW/Arrowverse stuff and it was too time consuming to keep up with all that, so can’t speak to that actress. I had forgotten until recently Kate Bosworth played her in Superman Returns, and that was probably the worst casting for the character in my mind.

Brosnahan was a revelation as Maisel. I haven’t watched much of her work elsewhere so I can’t speak to it but The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel stands out amongst some of the greatest 21st century golden age of TV series, due in great part to her performance. With the caveat we do not see her “journalisming” much during the film - Gunn had a LOT going on in Plot A, B, C, and D - I think she’s already my favorite.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I appreciated Kidder for her boldness, and it feels decidedly groundbreaking considering the era in which the film was made/set. I didn’t get how Superman would/was attracted to her, as I found her demeanor and mental games off putting.

Hatcher combined both sides perfectly well, but in a show that felt uneven (even to a young teen at the time).

Delaney brought a great personality to the voice role, but it always felt weird as I associated her as The Phantasm at the time.

Durance checked the box of “who would Superman be attracted to,” but I never bought the “elite journalist” aspect of her character. That show was completely nonserious so perhaps that’s why.

Adams, until now, tied with Hatcher (in my view) as the best combo of the necessary traits for the character. It also helps those two were (until now) the best actresses to portray the character in the modern times (I don’t count the serials or the Fleischer cartoons).

I never watched Superman and Lois as I had long checked out of the CW/Arrowverse stuff and it was too time consuming to keep up with all that, so can’t speak to that actress. I had forgotten until recently Kate Bosworth played her in Superman Returns, and that was probably the worst casting for the character in my mind.

Brosnahan was a revelation as Maisel. I haven’t watched much of her work elsewhere so I can’t speak to it but The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel stands out amongst some of the greatest 21st century golden age of TV series, due in great part to her performance. With the caveat we do not see her “journalisming” much during the film - Gunn had a LOT going on in Plot A, B, C, and D - I think she’s already my favorite.

I think brosnahan did a pretty good job mixing the cynicism that kidder pioneered with the attractiveness that they needed and maybe tried to overdue some since? Like It’s hard not to appreciate her on multiple levels.

Delaney…and I’m glad you brought it up…is one of the most outstanding actresses of the last 40 years. She brings class to everything. China beach was a masterpiece.

You a big Hatcher guy? Easy, tiger 🐅
(I kid…we’re in the same vintage…it was the picture in the cape on the bed wasn’t it? I mean…it was IT for all red bloods 😂)
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
I'm going to ask a Superman spoilers question because it's been bothering me for several days and I'm not sure where else to ask it ...

SPOILERS

How the hell did Lex Luthor think that "drowning" Superman by filling his lungs with nanobytes so he couldn't breathe was going to kill Superman ... when Superman routinely flies into outer space and clearly does not require breathing or oxygen (at least for extensive periods of time, if at all)?

There have been a lot of different versions of Superman over the years, and a lot of different takes on his abilities, so this would depend on the power level that the movie is establishing for him.

I've read different comic book takes with Superman in space from straight up needing an air mask to being able to hold his breath for a long time to using big breaths to enrich his bloodstream with enough oxygen to essentially not need to worry about it. If the former, Luthor's scheme would have reaped immediate dividends. If either of the latter, it could've eventually been effective, just taken awhile, similar to Luthor's plan in All-Star Superman.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I'm going to ask a Superman spoilers question because it's been bothering me for several days and I'm not sure where else to ask it ...

SPOILERS

How the hell did Lex Luthor think that "drowning" Superman by filling his lungs with nanobytes so he couldn't breathe was going to kill Superman ... when Superman routinely flies into outer space and clearly does not require breathing or oxygen (at least for extensive periods of time, if at all)?
The bigger question is why didn't the two bad guys pass out? I would assume since one a clone of Superman (ie Bizarro), he could hold his breath too. The Engineer could redirect her nanobots to keep her body from failing.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
As someone who was very familiar with Yahoo and Lycos and AskJeeves (and Prodigy and Compuserve before that), and remembers when “the internet” was a disparate set of Usenet forums, the Google of two plus decades ago was truly revolutionary. It’s now entered the lexicon as default for “internet search engine,” and I can tell you from personal experience my kids and their friends don’t consciously use “Google,” but rather some combination of Siri and AI software to answer basic questions. Ex., I don’t believe my youngest, who doesn’t have a personal device and only uses Siri to prompt searches, has ever consciously gone to Google.com and typed a query.
Oh I’m aware, I’ve used them all too. I was just pointing out that Google isn’t the only game in the search business either in the past or even today.
 

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