Disney and Gas Prices

[MickeyLuv'r]

not so fast with that......
depends big time. There are some who use car as a home. Yes, it's been tested.

furhtermore, law enforcement or those acting in an agency capacity are not empowered to search unless there is some good faith basis. There needs to be something, anything like what looks like a hash pipe laying on the floor or what appears to be blood on a trunk door. they don't get to just order us out of a car and start searching without some lawful basis unless we give them consent.

and on to a somewhat related note we should dump all that 'driving is a privilege, not a right" nonsense in the first trashcan at the next rest stop on Interstate 10.

Not sure what I was fast about.

Yes, the subject is complicated and complex. As I said, the legality has been debated for decades (up to the Supreme Court). I recall first learning about them in the early1990's, and it is an ongoing legal debate.

I brought it up just to raise awareness in case some readers have never heard of it. Police do not have to file charges to confiscate cash/property, nor does any crime have to be committed.

 

[Married5Times]

Police do not have to file charges to confiscate cash/property, nor does any crime have to be committed.

indeed............but that,too, is not universal. Different creatures have different powers in that area. For example, California creatures(at least a few years back) best have a conviction before keeping something like a cash seizure. At the US level, civil forfeiture remains largely unchecked. scary and unfair stuff for sure.

 

[Pepper's Ghost]

The laws have been a little murky. A car is not the same as your house when it comes to privacy and searches. It is a huge issue, one that has been debated by the Supreme Court for decades, so just way too big an issue for this thread.

In some cases, the police can search your car. You are not allowed to drive drunk, for example.

In other cases, simply traveling with a 'large' amount of cash/property has resulted in that cash/property being confiscated. It is called civil forfeiture.

Wait a dang gum minute. If I'm moving from one house to another with a U-Haul full of property, that property can be confiscated?? Or what if I'm distrusting of banks and I'm moving my cash stuffed mattress from one home to another. Sheriff Bubba can just say.... "sorry yankee, dat's my there cash"????

 

[Kamikaze]

Huh?

OP said, "in past decades, spiking gas prices really tamped down WDW."

You took that to mean only specifically the cost of gas to drive to directly to WDW.

In short, that isn't technically what OP asked.

My post was just a very minor clarification. That's all.

The thread is an opinion question of what we think might happen.
Precise what exactly = a 'huge' spike in gas prices?
Precisely what % drop in attendance = "a tamped down WDW?"

I don't know, because those are both very vague. OP didn't even ask us to predict any specific metrics, so any possible answer is just purely a matter of interpretation on multiple levels.

I made two separate statements. One being that his initial opinion that previously gas prices changed WDW guest attendance was incorrect (which your post proved, discounting or not). The second being that even at double the price, the difference in actually driving to WDW is not really that much. He made no mention of overall family finances or budgets.

He opened his post with 'much has been said' about how gas prices effected WDW. There is no evidence that they have. We don't have numbers from the 70s when there were actual shortages, that might be different, but his initial post and your 'clarification' have no bearing on the initial thought from OP.

 

[Kamikaze]

Wait a dang gum minute. If I'm moving from one house to another with a U-Haul full of property, that property can be confiscated?? Or what if I'm distrusting of banks and I'm moving my cash stuffed mattress from one home to another. Sheriff Bubba can just say.... "sorry yankee, dat's my there cash"????

Not 'his', but he can seize it if there is any evidence or suspicion that the money is used for criminal activity. You would have to go through the process of getting it back legally.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I made two separate statements. One being that his initial opinion that previously gas prices changed WDW guest attendance was incorrect (which your post proved, discounting or not). The second being that even at double the price, the difference in actually driving to WDW is not really that much. He made no mention of overall family finances or budgets.

He opened his post with 'much has been said' about how gas prices effected WDW. There is no evidence that they have. We don't have numbers from the 70s when there were actual shortages, that might be different, but his initial post and your 'clarification' have no bearing on the initial thought from OP.

The sentence I bolded is vague to the point of being factually meaningless:
Double what price?
Driving from where?
Exactly how many $ = much?

"Much has been said" is also too vague to be factually meaningful. Who said? What did they say?

I'll help: With the posting of THIS comment, I officially declare MUCH has now been said on this topic!

Phew, now we can all celebrate this major milestone!

But five pages into this thread, the OP hasn't come back to clarify or participate in the discussion.

(Your last sentence was meant as a joke, right?)

 

[AEfx]

Gas prices aren't affecting Disney trips because Disney trips have gotten so expensive that if you can afford to go to Disney in the first place, the cost difference is not going to make a dent.

 

[Kamikaze]

The sentence I bolded is vague to the point of being factually meaningless:
Double what price?
Driving from where?
Exactly how many $ = much?

"Much has been said" is also too vague to be factually meaningful. Who said? What did they say?

I'll help: With the posting of THIS comment, I officially declare MUCH has now been said on this topic!

Phew, now we can all celebrate this major milestone!

But five pages into this thread, the OP hasn't come back to clarify or participate in the discussion.

(Your last sentence was meant as a joke, right?)

Are you kidding? I spelled out in my first post - 2000 miles at 20mpg.
Double the price of what it was before this all started. From low to mid $2 to mid to high $4.

And no, that wasn't a joke. I replied to the actual topic - how do gas prices affect WDW guest count. Your 'clarification' takes into other things which are not that, and seemingly don't matter either.

You can say 'oh, but they discounted' - okay, fine, but they still got relatively the same number of guests even with a bad economy or high gas.

 

[Patcheslee]

Gas prices aren't affecting Disney trips because Disney trips have gotten so expensive that if you can afford to go to Disney in the first place, the cost difference is not going to make a dent.

Airline fares might make a bigger dent for people that didn't book yet. June flight prices went up on Delta CVG-MCO from last check before Ukraine invasion. Normally we pay $300-$350/person on weekend flights nonstop (Friday morning/Sunday night). They're up to over $600 now.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Are you kidding? I spelled out in my first post - 2000 miles at 20mpg.
Double the price of what it was before this all started. From low to mid $2 to mid to high $4.

And no, that wasn't a joke. I replied to the actual topic - how do gas prices affect WDW guest count. Your 'clarification' takes into other things which are not that, and seemingly don't matter either.

You can say 'oh, but they discounted' - okay, fine, but they still got relatively the same number of guests even with a bad economy or high gas.

With clarification, this might be an interesting topic. OP has not responded since posting the initial query, and it is too vague IMO.

That's all. You keep trying to debate something that, IMO, just isn't there. I'm sorry.

 

[networkpro]

Local cops ( NC, SC, GA ) love pulling over out of state drivers. When asked if they ask to search your vehicle , " I respectfully DO NOT consent to a search of my vehicle". I've seen cars pulled over I-95 , families standing outside their vehicle when sheriff bubba rips apart their vehicle. This adds to the adventure.

Some out-of-state drivers use I-95 to move drugs from Florida to the North East and then large amounts of cash back to the ports of entry.

Corridor G, a south-north corridor, extends from South Florida to Detroit (MI) via I-75 and to Minneapolis (MN) via I-94. It is also a north-south corridor that extends from Sault Ste. Marie (MI) via I-75 into the Great Lakes Region.

Corridor H, an East Coast corridor, extends from Florida to Maine. The primary route along this corridor, I-95, extends from Miami (FL) to Houlton (ME).

 

[ohioguy]

Much has been said of how, in past decades, spiking gas prices and shortages really tamped down WDW. We’re in the middle of a huge spike now, but it seems that hasn’t dampened the crowds or attendance (for now at least). Has Disney put itself in a place where it’s above those sorts of considerations? Or do we think the spikes/increases have happened so suddenly (and so close to already planned Spring Breaks and proximity to Covid revenge travel) that it was too late to factor in these increased costs?

No; the economy has changed dramatically. Gas prices may affect everyone's budget, but only consumers under the magical $72K per year should feel a large impact. Economists believe those above that number (relative to family size, i.e. number of children) aren't adversely affected by inflation, gas prices, etc., simply because they make enough money to weather financial ups and downs. Those within higher ranges also tend to have better credit scores, so they can simply "charge" their vacation to future earnings on their higher limit credit cards.

Several years ago it was rumored that Disney was trying to really market itself to the upper middle class, and its easy to see why. There's a reason upscale retailers continue to thrive even during periods of inflation. Apple, H&M, Bloomigdale's, Saks Fifth, Whole Foods are enjoying record profits. Disney the same.

 

[Lilofan]

No; the economy has changed dramatically. Gas prices may affect everyone's budget, but only consumers under the magical $72K per year should feel a large impact. Economists believe those above that number (relative to family size, i.e. number of children) aren't adversely affected by inflation, gas prices, etc., simply because they make enough money to weather financial ups and downs. Those within higher ranges also tend to have better credit scores, so they can simply "charge" their vacation to future earnings on their higher limit credit cards.

Several years ago it was rumored that Disney was trying to really market itself to the upper middle class, and its easy to see why. There's a reason upscale retailers continue to thrive even during periods of inflation. Apple, H&M, Bloomigdale's, Saks Fifth, Whole Foods are enjoying record profits. Disney the same.

Gas prices whatever the price, consumers domestic and international make Orlando a shopping destination also ( ie International Drive Premium outlets ) and Mall of Millenia ( not in a safe part of Orlando ). One staff member at the Mall advised a number of tourists ( ie Brazilians ) buy in bulk only to resell to higher income folks in their home country.

 

[Married5Times]

upscale retailers continue to thrive even during periods of inflation. Apple, H&M, Bloomigdale's, Saks Fifth, Whole Foods

time to play that song from Sesame Street: "one of these things doesn't belong here"

H&M most certainly is NOT an upscale operation; it's very much like a Forever 21 or Uniqlo as to price points.



and while we're at it Apple, too, is not 'upscale'; it's about as mainstream as something can get as proven by the fact that every person on earth(slight exaggeration I admit) and his cousin owns one.

 

[Married5Times]

Gas prices may affect everyone's budget, but only consumers under the magical $72K per year should feel a large impact.

that 72k needs proper context:

make 72k a year in San Francisco and the immediate Bay Area and expect to see some folk sleeping in their cars. but 72k in Mississippi would suffice for many.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

time to play that song from Sesame Street: "one of these things doesn't belong here"

H&M most certainly is NOT an upscale operation; it's very much like a Forever 21 or Uniqlo as to price points.



and while we're at it Apple, too, is not 'upscale'; it's about as mainstream as something can get as proven by the fact that every person on earth(slight exaggeration I admit) and his cousin owns one.

I agree.

Also, WF = Amazon. WF is certainly expensive, but I think many people mindlessly tack a couple food items onto their Amazon orders because of the free delivery. The free delivery offsets what someone could have spent on gas and time driving to a different store.

Ordering groceries from Amazon is now very common at WDW, for example, and it is very cost effective compared to a whole week of eating in WDW restaurants. I've never priced them myself, but I think Amazon costs less than some of the alternatives like Garden Grocer.