News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

Rodan75

Rodan75

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D231016 said:
Looks like Disney is keeping Blue sky：
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I sense that this org is specifically so Alan Horn can decide if he wants to keep Fox Animation / Blue Sky active after the current in progress films are complete. I bet existing film issues are sent to Watts, Greenlight for Fox Animation rests with Horn.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Quinnmac000 said:
Fox owns Simpson distribution/production rights whereas Matt Groening/Klapsky Csupo owns character rights. Essentially the same deal JKR has with WB where they can use her product because she approves all usage of characters and how they are used etc but WB can sell promo, distribute, etc.
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Do you have a link for this?

Here's what we see on Universal's website:

"THE SIMPSONS RIDE TM Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. The Simpsons TM & © 2018 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "

The videogame is also Copyrighted by Fox and I feel fairly confident the merch will be as well (I haven't been to Universal in awhile and Simpsons merch is not easy to find).

WB also owns more than just distribution and rights of first refusal to Potter.

"HARRY POTTER, characters, names and related indicia are trademarks of and © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

"Gryffindor™, Hufflepuff™, Ravenclaw™, Slytherin™, HARRY POTTER characters, names and related indicia are © & ™ Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

The same will also be said in merch along with Wizarding World. JKR owns the publishing and theatrical rights to Potter. That's why WB can't make a HP TV show or a new saga without her approval, for example. However, she can't take Potter to Universal either.

https://www.jkrowling.com/tcs/
https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/us/terms-of-service/copyright/index.html
https://www.warnerbros.com/wizardingworldsubmissionguidelines
https://www.universalorlando.com/we...niversal-studios-florida-park-map-english.pdf
https://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/PopBackofbox.aspx?Product_ID=65005
 
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Quinnmac000

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AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
Do you have a link for this?

Here's what we see on Universal's website:

"THE SIMPSONS RIDE TM Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. The Simpsons TM & © 2018 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "

The videogame is also Copyrighted by Fox and I feel fairly confident the merch will be as well (I haven't been to Universal in awhile and Simpsons merch is not easy to find).

WB also owns more than just distribution and rights of first refusal to Potter.

"HARRY POTTER, characters, names and related indicia are trademarks of and © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

"Gryffindor™, Hufflepuff™, Ravenclaw™, Slytherin™, HARRY POTTER characters, names and related indicia are © & ™ Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

The same will also be said in merch along with Wizarding World. JKR owns the publishing and theatrical rights to Potter. That's why WB can't make a HP TV show or a new saga without her approval, for example. However, she can't take Potter to Universal either.

https://www.jkrowling.com/tcs/
https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/us/terms-of-service/copyright/index.html
https://www.warnerbros.com/wizardingworldsubmissionguidelines
https://www.universalorlando.com/we...niversal-studios-florida-park-map-english.pdf
https://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/PopBackofbox.aspx?Product_ID=65005
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its in the book: The Simpsons An Uncensored Unauthorized History. As I stated Fox can merchandise and sell whatever just needs Groening's approval and he gets a huge cut of the merch.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Quinnmac000 said:
its in the book: The Simpsons An Uncensored Unauthorized History. As I stated Fox can merchandise and sell whatever just needs Groening's approval and he gets a huge cut of the merch.
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If you own the copyright outright you don't need anyone's approval to license the product, though you may need to pay a cut of the revenue to 3rd party/parties. I'll read the book when I have some time though, thanks.
 
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D231016

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In China things are quiet at this moment, not much media ever mentioned the deal is reaching the deadline, except WSJ-China. I really doubt it'll get a go-ahead today.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
Do you have a link for this?

Here's what we see on Universal's website:

"THE SIMPSONS RIDE TM Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. The Simpsons TM & © 2018 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "

The videogame is also Copyrighted by Fox and I feel fairly confident the merch will be as well (I haven't been to Universal in awhile and Simpsons merch is not easy to find).

WB also owns more than just distribution and rights of first refusal to Potter.

"HARRY POTTER, characters, names and related indicia are trademarks of and © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

"Gryffindor™, Hufflepuff™, Ravenclaw™, Slytherin™, HARRY POTTER characters, names and related indicia are © & ™ Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

The same will also be said in merch along with Wizarding World. JKR owns the publishing and theatrical rights to Potter. That's why WB can't make a HP TV show or a new saga without her approval, for example. However, she can't take Potter to Universal either.

https://www.jkrowling.com/tcs/
https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/us/terms-of-service/copyright/index.html
https://www.warnerbros.com/wizardingworldsubmissionguidelines
https://www.universalorlando.com/we...niversal-studios-florida-park-map-english.pdf
https://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/PopBackofbox.aspx?Product_ID=65005
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The Simpsons rights are interesting...it definitely is not the same situation as Harry Potter as you mention above. They way I've read everything I've been able to find online is that Groening/Jean and the associated company have creative control and can veto character use, but do not have the ability to move the characters to another studio or really the ability to outright refuse Fox/Disney for the ability to use the characters.

But it is clearly also not like Mickey Mouse or Star Wars where Disney has full control to do whatever they want without getting approval/buy in from other parties.
 
bartholomr4

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From the Hollywood Reporter:

In recent days, 20th Century Fox has been quietly been rearranging its release calendar, no doubt in anticipation of the $70 billion-plus Disney-21st Century Fox marriage. Late last week, Fox pushed back the release of Death on the Nile, a star-studded sequel to Murder on the Orient Express, from Dec. 20, 2019 to Oct. 2, 2020. In its earlier date, Nile would have opened opposite Disney and Lucasfilm's untitled Star Wars: Episode IX. Fox also pushed Ad Astra, starring Brad Pitt, from January to late May, while relocating the action-comedy Stuber from May to July....

.....The marquee Fox franchises Disney inherits includes James Cameron's Avatar series, while Fox superhero properties such as X-Men and Deadpool are expected to move to Marvel Studios. Watts will continue to shepherd Avatar. The long-in-the-making Avatar sequel, now in production, is set to open in theaters on Dec. 18, 2020 (Disney doesn't have a Star Wars pic set for that year corridor.).....

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Watts will also guide the Kingsman franchise. The third film in the series was recently dated for Nov. 8, 2019, a weekend that doesn't conflict with a film from Disney (Frozen debuts on Nov. 27). It isn't clear when Disney will take over marketing and distributing Fox films. Sources don't believe that will happen until after Alita: Battle Angel, set for release on Feb. 14 (it was originally set to open Dec. 21). The movie is directed by Robert Rodriguez and produced by James Cameron's Lightstorm.....

....Fox's X-Men spinoff Dark Phoenix could be the first film released by Disney. Its release was recently pushed from February to June 7, a date that doesn't conflict with any movie from Disney. Other 2019 Fox films include New Mutants (Aug. 2), Spies in Disguise (Sept. 13), Fox 2000's The Woman in the Window (Oct. 4) and The Call of The Wild (Dec. 25). Fox's 2020 release calendar is far less crowded (that makes sense, since Fox has known about the merger since last December, so has slowed down in terms of dating movies.)....
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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bartholomr4 said:
....Fox's X-Men spinoff Dark Phoenix could be the first film released by Disney. Its release was recently pushed from February to June 7, a date that doesn't conflict with any movie from Disney. Other 2019 Fox films include New Mutants (Aug. 2)
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And New Mutants could likely be the first Fox film cancelled by Disney. It's production has continually been troubled with it switching genres and characters and constantly reshooting and not being tied strongly to X-Men or MCU. Put it out of its misery (or shunt it to the streaming service as a one-off DTV TV movie).
 
bartholomr4

bartholomr4

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Comcast Earnings Today - Specific to their Themeparks:

Theme Parks

Theme Parks revenue decreased 1.4% to $1.5 billion in the third quarter of 2018, reflecting an unfavorable impact on attendance as a result of severe weather and natural disasters in Japan. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 6.5% to $725 million in the third quarter of 2018, reflecting lower revenue and an increase in operating expenses.
 
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Ripken10

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bartholomr4 said:
Comcast Earnings Today - Specific to their Themeparks:

Theme Parks

Theme Parks revenue decreased 1.4% to $1.5 billion in the third quarter of 2018, reflecting an unfavorable impact on attendance as a result of severe weather and natural disasters in Japan. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 6.5% to $725 million in the third quarter of 2018, reflecting lower revenue and an increase in operating expenses.
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is that 1.4% decrease from second quarter, or from third quarter of 2017?
 
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Ripken10

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mikejs78 said:
I would guess from third quarter. Numbers like that are typically measured from same quarter previous year, to account for seasonal variations.
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But usually they state it, which I found odd. Thus why I asked. Sometimes companies get vague like that for a reason (because you can always make numbers say anything). Not saying that is what they did here, just that it is a way to make things sound rosier than they are. For example, if they usually compare to the 2017 3rd quarter, but let's say they were down 40% from the 2017 3rd quarter, they wouldn't want to announce that, but if they were only down 1.4% from last quarter that looks better. Again, just an example, and not saying that is what happened. It just seemed interesting that they didn't say exactly (at least they didn't say in the small segment that was posted in this thread).
 
bartholomr4

bartholomr4

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Ripken10 said:
But usually they state it, which I found odd. Thus why I asked. Sometimes companies get vague like that for a reason (because you can always make numbers say anything). Not saying that is what they did here, just that it is a way to make things sound rosier than they are. For example, if they usually compare to the 2017 3rd quarter, but let's say they were down 40% from the 2017 3rd quarter, they wouldn't want to announce that, but if they were only down 1.4% from last quarter that looks better. Again, just an example, and not saying that is what happened. It just seemed interesting that they didn't say exactly (at least they didn't say in the small segment that was posted in this thread).
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The reduction is from the prior quarter.... They blamed bad weather especially in Japan as the reason why the numbers fell.

They also blamed a lack of hot movies this summer for a lack of interest on the conference call.
 
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happycamperuni

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USJ is around 25-30% of Universal Parks, so a heavy decline there would be more than enough to offset positive results in Orlando/Hollywood.

Typhoons, heat waves, earthquakes, etc.; was a terrible quarter in Japan weather-wise.

We'll see a better look at the business from Disney which isn't affected by Japan's results.
 
bartholomr4

bartholomr4

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happycamperuni said:
USJ is around 25-30% of Universal Parks, so a heavy decline there would be more than enough to offset positive results in Orlando/Hollywood.

Typhoons, heat waves, earthquakes, etc.; was a terrible quarter in Japan weather-wise.

We'll see a better look at the business from Disney which isn't affected by Japan's results.
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Florida was hit by Irma in August 2017. So the comparisons would have included the impact that storm had on Attendance...... I suspect this is also a factor, and this year may not be quite as strong as last....
 

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