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News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

bartholomr4

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Also, foreign governments have been targeting American interests traditionally allied with Trump and Republicans. I'm sure they know that Disney is not allied with Trump.
According to Variety, there really aren’t that many 21CF assets in China. They have a partnership with Bona Films to distribute their Films in China, and the NatGeo channels in chinese. Again According to Varitety, Murdoch sold off most of 21CF assets in China in 2005 because he couldn’t get the Chinese government to agree to the editorial arrangement he wanted. So its not like China can object to what is happening in Europe or Australia or the US, to stop the merger.... Seems like they would want to pick bigger fights, like the Qualcomm-NXP merger, and not Disney Fox....
 

happycamperuni

Active Member
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Also, foreign governments have been targeting American interests traditionally allied with Trump and Republicans. I'm sure they know that Disney is not allied with Trump.
At this point, the Chinese just seem desperate to put pressure on the US any way they can. Problem for them is that they don't import from the US anywhere near what the US imports from them.

So they're forced to try different tactics to put pressure on the US. I don't think they'll stop Disney-Fox, but they may delay their approval into 2019 to try to see if they can get Disney/Fox (especially Murdochs at Fox) to put pressure on Trump to negotiate with the Chinese.


This is more about Fox and the Murdochs (and their pull with Trump) than it is about Disney.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
This aspect of the approval brings up a couple of interesting (and unfortunately touching on the political) thoughts:

1. I'm sure Iger and the Disney team have likely been working overtime to help the Chinese officials feel comfortable with this merger even if they do not speak directly to the regulators themselves. (I get the impression that it would not have been like the DoJ discussions). If Iger gets this done in this current climate, that will actually improve his political as well as business reputation. And could finally show a way for him to achieve political office.

2. The fact that China is so important to this merger and that Trump has been targeting them for sport for the last 6 months, really shows how little sway Murdoch has on the administration. This merger is important to Murdoch, but he hasn't been able to get his organization in line or use his relationship with the President to improve things, if this fails. Regardless of how this goes with China, Murdoch looks much weaker than he did 6-8 months ago.
 

bartholomr4

Well-Known Member
This aspect of the approval brings up a couple of interesting (and unfortunately touching on the political) thoughts:

1. I'm sure Iger and the Disney team have likely been working overtime to help the Chinese officials feel comfortable with this merger even if they do not speak directly to the regulators themselves. (I get the impression that it would not have been like the DoJ discussions). If Iger gets this done in this current climate, that will actually improve his political as well as business reputation. And could finally show a way for him to achieve political office.

2. The fact that China is so important to this merger and that Trump has been targeting them for sport for the last 6 months, really shows how little sway Murdoch has on the administration. This merger is important to Murdoch, but he hasn't been able to get his organization in line or use his relationship with the President to improve things, if this fails. Regardless of how this goes with China, Murdoch looks much weaker than he did 6-8 months ago.

Very interesting thoughts..... Trump and Xi are going to be meeting at the G-20 Meeting in Argentina, next month after the US Election. This will be a time to watch which could take this in either direction (Agreement, or escalation of the trade "skirmish" ). The EU should also be ready to announce their acceptance of this week's concessions offered by Disney. I think that is due on November 6th.

It appeared Disney was anticipating the European objections (just like they anticipated and offered to divest the sports channels prior to the DOJ request). I wouldn't be surprised if Iger (who has met with Xi in the past at the time of Shanghai Disney) and team don't have similar concessions to offer (Like another Chinese Park). The Hollywood reporter seems to think the biggest objection would be Disney's market share of international films in China.

I would love to know what the legal strategy would be for going ahead with the merger, without China's approval (i.e. not merging the Chinese 21CF into New Disney) and leaving the current arrangement between 21CF and Bona Films in place.
 

ChrisFL

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Russian media is in no way independent of the state. It is now fully a propaganda arm of Putin's administration. And they have one goal: sow dissension among as many factions as possible. The more divided the world, the more power they have since they're mostly isolated. Thus, don't believe a word they say.
ah, ironically like Fox News then
 

Quinnmac000

Well-Known Member
Well look what Disney stumbled upon...


Beastly Kingdom anyone?
Ironically, that film isn't produced by Fox and just being distributed by them. It's produced Big Talk and Working Title Films...who owns Working Title Films....so essentially Disney would still have to work out a deal to use it...now in this case it would behoove Disney to play nice.

Before anyone tries to doubt me on this:
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/890381-production-starts-on-joe-cornishs-the-kid-who-would-be-king
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Title_Films
 

Quinnmac000

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Disney doesn't own it so they wont go after any theme park rights for it.
The suggestion was that if they buy out Fox they would get this IP but the IP is owned by a Universal I owned Production company so even with the Fox buyout they wouldn’t get theme park rights
 

D231016

Member
Looks like Disney is keeping Blue sky:
Reporting directly to Mr. Horn will be:

  • Emma Watts, Vice Chairman, Twentieth Century Fox Film and President, Production, Twentieth Century Fox
  • Nancy Utley and Stephen Gilula, Chairmen, Fox Searchlight Pictures
  • Elizabeth Gabler, President of Production, Fox 2000
Reporting to Mr. Horn and Ms. Watts will be:

  • Andrea Miloro and Robert Baird, Co-Presidents, Fox Animation
  • Vanessa Morrison, President, Fox Family
 

Rodan75

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Looks like Disney is keeping Blue sky:
I sense that this org is specifically so Alan Horn can decide if he wants to keep Fox Animation / Blue Sky active after the current in progress films are complete. I bet existing film issues are sent to Watts, Greenlight for Fox Animation rests with Horn.
 

AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Fox owns Simpson distribution/production rights whereas Matt Groening/Klapsky Csupo owns character rights. Essentially the same deal JKR has with WB where they can use her product because she approves all usage of characters and how they are used etc but WB can sell promo, distribute, etc.
Do you have a link for this?

Here's what we see on Universal's website:

"THE SIMPSONS RIDE TM Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. The Simpsons TM & © 2018 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "

The videogame is also Copyrighted by Fox and I feel fairly confident the merch will be as well (I haven't been to Universal in awhile and Simpsons merch is not easy to find).

WB also owns more than just distribution and rights of first refusal to Potter.

"HARRY POTTER, characters, names and related indicia are trademarks of and © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

"Gryffindor™, Hufflepuff™, Ravenclaw™, Slytherin™, HARRY POTTER characters, names and related indicia are © & ™ Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

The same will also be said in merch along with Wizarding World. JKR owns the publishing and theatrical rights to Potter. That's why WB can't make a HP TV show or a new saga without her approval, for example. However, she can't take Potter to Universal either.

https://www.jkrowling.com/tcs/
https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/us/terms-of-service/copyright/index.html
https://www.warnerbros.com/wizardingworldsubmissionguidelines
https://www.universalorlando.com/webdata/k2/en/us/files/Documents/universal-studios-florida-park-map-english.pdf
https://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/PopBackofbox.aspx?Product_ID=65005
 

Quinnmac000

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Do you have a link for this?

Here's what we see on Universal's website:

"THE SIMPSONS RIDE TM Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. The Simpsons TM & © 2018 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved. "

The videogame is also Copyrighted by Fox and I feel fairly confident the merch will be as well (I haven't been to Universal in awhile and Simpsons merch is not easy to find).

WB also owns more than just distribution and rights of first refusal to Potter.

"HARRY POTTER, characters, names and related indicia are trademarks of and © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

"Gryffindor™, Hufflepuff™, Ravenclaw™, Slytherin™, HARRY POTTER characters, names and related indicia are © & ™ Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Harry Potter Publishing Rights © JKR."

The same will also be said in merch along with Wizarding World. JKR owns the publishing and theatrical rights to Potter. That's why WB can't make a HP TV show or a new saga without her approval, for example. However, she can't take Potter to Universal either.

https://www.jkrowling.com/tcs/
https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/us/terms-of-service/copyright/index.html
https://www.warnerbros.com/wizardingworldsubmissionguidelines
https://www.universalorlando.com/webdata/k2/en/us/files/Documents/universal-studios-florida-park-map-english.pdf
https://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/PopBackofbox.aspx?Product_ID=65005
its in the book: The Simpsons An Uncensored Unauthorized History. As I stated Fox can merchandise and sell whatever just needs Groening's approval and he gets a huge cut of the merch.
 

AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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its in the book: The Simpsons An Uncensored Unauthorized History. As I stated Fox can merchandise and sell whatever just needs Groening's approval and he gets a huge cut of the merch.
If you own the copyright outright you don't need anyone's approval to license the product, though you may need to pay a cut of the revenue to 3rd party/parties. I'll read the book when I have some time though, thanks.
 
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