Disney After Hours BOO BASH

[BaconPancakes]

No again... but I don't expect you to get it. Just move along or actually try.

Dude just give up while you’re behind.

 

[flynnibus]

Dude just give up while you’re behind.
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[Chi84]

Apples and oranges. An across the board price increase is something you decide if you need to go at all. Not the same thing as when product A is swapped for product B.

But to your specific point, I've already adjusted my Disney spend because yes, I feel they are over charging vs what they are offering. Which is why majority of our Disney trips in the last decade were cruises, not WDW stays.

I haven’t adjusted my Disney spend because I don’t feel they’re overcharging for what they’re offering. Is that being selfish? Or am I just stupid for still finding value in what others consider not worth the price? Who makes that call?

 

[flynnibus]

I haven’t adjusted my Disney spend because I don’t feel they’re overcharging for what they’re offering. Is that being selfish? Or am I just stupid for still finding value in what others consider not worth the price? Who makes that call?

Ok, so I don't have to repeat myself again... read below

That was never the statement made - but instead people leap to that because they are defensive about their behavior. The statement was that when someone dismisses or ignores consequences of their behavior because their gain is all that matters - that is selfish.

 

[Chi84]

Ok, so I don't have to repeat myself again... read below

That doesn’t answer the question of when one’s behavior causes what you perceive to be negative consequences. Is any price increase wrong? Is it selfish to buy up-charge events because it leads Disney to offer more of them? You said you adjusted your Disney spending because you don’t find sufficient value, but how many others will need to do so before it makes an impact?

Going to WDW is not a selfless act. People who go there on vacation spend what they are willing to spend and Disney adjusts accordingly. I’m not sure what good it does to label people selfish for spending more money than someone else thinks the vacation is worth. If the market doesn’t decide, who does?

 

[Touchdown]

Flynabus most religions consider selfish acts to be sins, by continuously using that word you are implying to people whose faiths believe that that they are committing a sin.

 

[flynnibus]

That doesn’t answer the question of when one’s behavior causes what you perceive to be negative consequences

The question you pose here is not a retort or a clarification to the statement I made. It's a different question. You're asking to make moral judgements and judging people based on their choice. That was never the intent, nor do I really care to try to judge people in that manner.

The statement was about the idea that people KNOW there are consequences and willfully dismiss them on the premise "I got mine...". It's about the behavior that dismisses the consequence not based on severity, probability, impact, etc... but solely on the idea "I got mine... so not my problem".

I can acknowledge I drive over the speed limit at times. But I also acknowledge there are consequences to doing so, and respect those have impact to not just me, but to others. I make a personal decision in what I do and weigh those consequences.

Contrast that with the attitude of "None of those things happen to me, so I don't care..." -- That is selfish.

I didn't say speeders are selfish. I said the equivalent of those who dismiss or don't care about consequences is being selfish.

Going to WDW is not a selfless act. People who go there on vacation spend what they are willing to spend and Disney adjusts accordingly. I’m not sure what good it does to label people selfish for spending more money than someone else thinks the vacation is worth. If the market doesn’t decide, who does?

I never labeled people selfish for spending more money. It was a statement about their choice of JUSTIFICATION - not their ACTION.

If the above analogy doesn't make it clear - it's time to move on.

 

[flynnibus]

Flynabus most religions consider selfish acts to be sins, by continuously using that word you are implying to people whose faiths believe that that they are committing a sin.

Congrats on winning the 'I failed math proofs and logic' pin.

 

[Touchdown]

Congrats on winning the 'I failed math proofs and logic' pin.

Don’t know how math gets involved but as far as logic is concerned if my faith states selfish acts are sinful, then if an act is selfish it is therefore sinful. I just wouldn’t use that word in this context.

 

[flynnibus]

Don’t know how math gets involved but as far as logic is concerned if my faith states selfish acts are sinful, then if an act is selfish it is therefore sinful. I just wouldn’t use that word in this context.

As far as I am concerned... what happens in your 'faith' is something between you and your beliefs. It doesn't define everyone else or our language. Don't use your interpretation based on your faith to project and interpret what others think or intended.

 

[Touchdown]

As far as I am concerned... what happens in your 'faith' is something between you and your beliefs. It doesn't define everyone else or our language.

Then don’t complain when people react poorly and in your view “out of proportion” to your comments. It’s very hard to carry a conversation with someone who chooses to not attempt to see and understand your perspective.

 

[Chi84]

The question you pose here is not a retort or a clarification to the statement I made. It's a different question. You're asking to make moral judgements and judging people based on their choice. That was never the intent, nor do I really care to try to judge people in that manner.

The statement was about the idea that people KNOW there are consequences and willfully dismiss them on the premise "I got mine...". It's about the behavior that dismisses the consequence not based on severity, probability, impact, etc... but solely on the idea "I got mine... so not my problem".

I can acknowledge I drive over the speed limit at times. But I also acknowledge there are consequences to doing so, and respect those have impact to not just me, but to others. I make a personal decision in what I do and weigh those consequences.

Contrast that with the attitude of "None of those things happen to me, so I don't care..." -- That is selfish.

I didn't say speeders are selfish. I said the equivalent of those who dismiss or don't care about consequences is being selfish.


I never labeled people selfish for spending more money. If the above analogy doesn't make it clear - it's time to move on.

So the thing that matters is what people think when they’re paying whatever Disney asks? If they aren’t aware of the negative consequences for others it’s okay, but if they know their behavior will lead to price increases and don’t care, then they’re in the wrong?

 

[Parker in NYC]

So the thing that matters is what people think when they’re paying whatever Disney asks? If they aren’t aware of the negative consequences for others it’s okay, but if they know their behavior will lead to price increases and don’t care, then they’re in the wrong?

Yes. At least, I think so. But an internet poster who is without [almost said a word that could imply RELIGION], cast the first FTFY.

 

[Tom P.]

I’m ****ed that all you people are killing my chances of ever attending a MNSSHP and MVMCP again. You are cheapening the experience for the rest of us. That’s why I’m upset. I don’t understand why you seem incapable of understanding this.

It's possible people are incapable of understanding. It's also possible... now hear me out on this... that people just disagree with you and think that you're wrong.

I do not think MNSSHP and MVMCP are gone for good. I think they make Disney more money than these after hours events do. And I think Disney knows the fans clamor for them. I think Boo Bash was a reaction to needing to schedule something for that time of year and not knowing far enough in advance what the situation would be with Covid, both in terms of restrictions and in terms of staffing. I also think the 50th anniversary plans played a role in this decision as well.

So, no, I don't think those who are buying tickets to Boo Bash are killing your chances of ever attending the parties again. I think they will most definitely be back.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wait... I'm being selfish?! I'm supposed to not purchase tickets to an event that I would like to attend because it might lead to Disney removing something in the future that someone else would prefer? Oh, and even if I chose not to purchase said tickets, someone else would quickly step in and take my place, at which point my experience is lessened and Disney still gets the money they wanted. Sure, that makes loads of sense!

You realize you're talking about consequences for you and others but likely not for many of the people buying tickets, right? This can be flipped as you being selfish. Asking people to miss out on their one chance to do something so you get to do what you want later. And in most cases you'll get to do it many times!

Lol so buying a ticket to an after hours event means you’re selfish and taking advantage. Ok girl…

Walt Disney world is a mass market destination…and because That is the case - and it won’t change - there actually are no “individual decisions”

tough concept for people to grasp when one of the first words in the response is “I, my, We”….

even moreso if the word “magic” leaks in for someone over age 12…

Should you not have fun or spend money? No (as in of course you should)…but consider what value you get. Not cost…value. Two different things. Just consider it and they stay on their toes and aren’t as likely to go too far resulting in M.A.D.

so…that’s something we all do. So when they announce a new “experience”…which is after hours with basically the same lineup as before the park turns into a pumpkin at 7 pm…but for $129, $149, $169, $199….and you are on the phone in a bank queue two days later at 7:00 am EST with a discover card waiting…
…I suggest value has not been considered. Price is irrelevant. Even if people waited one week…and the sales were slow…it would have caused them to re-evaluate what they were doing for the NEXT “premium experience” that is what it is…

that’s just my opinion.

and before the 5 second “she’s never has any fun/hates Disney ” dismissal crosses the brain…
…let’s assume that’s not correct.

 

[Chi84]

Yes. At least, I think so. But an internet poster who is without [almost said a word that could imply RELIGION], cast the first FTFY.

It just seems like a very subjective way to assess a person’s behavior. If someone’s behavior wrongfully impacts others, shouldn’t that person be expected to know and understand the consequences of that behavior?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So the thing that matters is what people think when they’re paying whatever Disney asks? If they aren’t aware of the negative consequences for others it’s okay, but if they know their behavior will lead to price increases and don’t care, then they’re in the wrong?

Yes…because even momentary pauses would affect the seller.

disney = supplier
us = consumer

It works everytime.

people laud capitalism….which is fine…but I wish some would bother to Practice it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It just seems like a very subjective way to assess a person’s behavior. If someone’s behavior wrongfully impacts others, shouldn’t that person be expected to know and understand the consequences of that behavior?

when their are high stakes? Yes.

we’re talking about park hopping here…first world “problems”. Lucky us

 

[Chi84]

Yes…because even momentary pauses would affect the seller.

disney = supplier
us = consumer

It works everytime.

people laud capitalism….which is fine…but I wish some would bother to Practice it.

I suspect people were afraid their dates would sell out if they waited a week. Many of the dates did sell out. I also suspect the willingness to pay for this event is impacted by pent-up desire for vacations post-COVID as well as a feeling that the truncated nature of this event is directly related to COVID.

 

[Parker in NYC]

It just seems like a very subjective way to assess a person’s behavior. If someone’s behavior wrongfully impacts others, shouldn’t that person be expected to know and understand the consequences of that behavior?

Isn't the internet subjective by nature? I'll condemn who I please! Wait, are we on the same side of the argument - I may be in a different one.