Disney’s Q1 FY23 Earnings Results Webcast - Wednesday, Feb 8, 2023

fgmnt

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I find the timing highly interesting, dropping it on a Friday before the big earnings call. Seems like D+ numbers (subscribers and/or new content development costs) might not be looking too great
There's a reason I put this in here rather than the other threads about company control.
 

Jrb1979

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Disney+ has become sloppy… so much IP collected through acquisitions that isn’t “Disney”. Offload it all, seeing Simpsons and Charlie Brown and Ice Age under this umbrella just waters down your brand. Move it to Hulu or sell it off.
Disagree. Streaming is all about content. The more you have the better it is. IMO if they do start selling it off then it made more sense to never buy it in the first place.
 

Jrb1979

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Yep. This feels very much like getting bad news out early so they can minimize the bad projections by saying they’ll be offset by increased revenue from licensing out content
IMO this makes it worse. Originally they said they bought Fox for the needed content to make D+ a success. Now they are turning around and going back to square one when they sold licensing to Netflix. Giving others your content doesn't help grow D+.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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One interesting thing is that Disney actually is licensing content from Sony going forward. I know that was more about Spider Man movies than anything else but it is funny that they are basically talking about doing the opposite now.
Sony doesn't have a link to any corporate streamer. So they are sort of a free agent Studio that can freely license any of their content to any of the streamers. So, it makes sense to keep it out of the hands of the competitors. Going forward most of Sony's theatrical releases go to Netflix first in the pay one window, then wind up on Disney plus. This is how Disney finally gets their hands on the Sony Marvel content.
 

doctornick

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Sony doesn't have a link to any corporate streamer. So they are sort of a free agent Studio that can freely license any of their content to any of the streamers. So, it makes sense to keep it out of the hands of the competitors. Going forward most of Sony's theatrical releases go to Netflix first in the pay one window, then wind up on Disney plus. This is how Disney finally gets their hands on the Sony Marvel content.
I’m aware. I’m just saying it’s the opposite of this plan. Of course nothing is stopping a company from licensing some outside content to broadcast while also licensing out content they aren’t otherwise using to make some extra revenue. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.

Conceptually, I think this plan actually makes sense especially if it involves properties they aren't otherwise using. There’s a bunch of FOX stuff they pulled in and used prominently (National Geo, Simpsons, Fox Marvel content, Avatar, FX stuff on Hulu, reboots for Night at the Museum and Home Alone, etc) and they also wanted some Oscar bait from Searchlight but there’s surely a ton that they don’t have much use for so why not monitize in a different way? That being said, the timing of the announcement is curious and doesn’t bode well for the next earnings report.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney+ has become sloppy… so much IP collected through acquisitions that isn’t “Disney”. Offload it all, seeing Simpsons and Charlie Brown and Ice Age under this umbrella just waters down your brand. Move it to Hulu or sell it off.
But that is contrary to the D+ prognostications…

The bill of goods sold was that Disney is such a draw, that you bring things in to make THEM more popular…not to backstop losses with Disney content.

It appears that their “plan” was to hope it worked out better?
Hope…which isn’t much of a plan.

Bobs are bobs
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I’m aware. I’m just saying it’s the opposite of this plan. Of course nothing is stopping a company from licensing some outside content to broadcast while also licensing out content they aren’t otherwise using to make some extra revenue. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.

Conceptually, I think this plan actually makes sense especially if it involves properties they aren't otherwise using. There’s a bunch of FOX stuff they pulled in and used prominently (National Geo, Simpsons, Fox Marvel content, Avatar, FX stuff on Hulu, reboots for Night at the Museum and Home Alone, etc) and they also wanted some Oscar bait from Searchlight but there’s surely a ton that they don’t have much use for so why not monitize in a different way? That being said, the timing of the announcement is curious and doesn’t bode well for the next earnings report.
My problem is…what did they actually get from fox?

It does not seem like a lot of content. What are we missing? Is this just a massive overpay for Hulu and Sky?

When announced…it was said Disney was gaining access to “boatloads” of content…


But when you scroll through the d
D+ menu…It’s light.
Not as bad as peacock and paramount+…but in the general neighborhood
 

HauntedPirate

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Reboots, reimagining, rethemes… it’s no wonder Disney feels creatively bankrupt more often than not right now. Misstep after misstep. Bungling a lot of the formerly-invincible SW franchise. Questionable moves in the movie space. This ship has been steered so far off course thanks to Captain Bob (both of them) that I don’t know if they can regain their former course.
 

Tha Realest

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Reboots, reimagining, rethemes… it’s no wonder Disney feels creatively bankrupt more often than not right now. Misstep after misstep. Bungling a lot of the formerly-invincible SW franchise. Questionable moves in the movie space. This ship has been steered so far off course thanks to Captain Bob (both of them) that I don’t know if they can regain their former course.
This is correct. Take away the three F’s - Fiege, Favreau, and Filoni - and there’s precious few bright spots in the Disney film and TV pipeline.

The stewardship notwithstanding the Mando universe is abysmal.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Reboots, reimagining, rethemes… it’s no wonder Disney feels creatively bankrupt more often than not right now. Misstep after misstep. Bungling a lot of the formerly-invincible SW franchise. Questionable moves in the movie space. This ship has been steered so far off course thanks to Captain Bob (both of them) that I don’t know if they can regain their former course.
I agree with some of this sentiment, but I think there's a bit of revisionist history at the core of it. Walt Disney didn't write "Snow White" or "The Adventures of Pinocchio" or "The Wind in the Willows." With few exceptions, Disney's creative output has always been in the adaptation and presentation of acquired IP.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Part of the problem is plenty of FOX content is still licensed out to other services. I think the Alien films are on Starz currently. To rewatch the recent Planet of the Apes trilogy, I'd need to get them on three different services! The X-Men films drop on and off Disney+ constantly. And I think I just rewatched Rocky Horror on a free streamer recently.

Other than X-Men, not saying the rest belong under the Disney umbrella directly, but just put a darned Fox Films tile under D+ and there it goes.
 

HauntedPirate

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I agree with some of this sentiment, but I think there's a bit of revisionist history at the core of it. Walt Disney didn't write "Snow White" or "The Adventures of Pinocchio" or "The Wind in the Willows." With few exceptions, Disney's creative output has always been in the adaptation and presentation of acquired IP.
Fair point. But they also didn’t try to top pigs with pigs (for the most part), or remake what they had already made, just in a different way. ( FWIW, I don’t have a problem with sequels as long as they are worthy stories. ) Eisner was guilty of some of this as well - we don’t even need to dive into his direct-to-video sequelitis to show it. But Bob The First drove this to new lows.

How many had known or heard of most of the stories Walt did movies of prior to the movies being released? Some did, absolutely, but he used animation to bring the stories to life and to a much broader audience. So yes, he used existing fairy tales, but he also knew his audience as well as how to branch out and appeal to a broader one. And the adage “quality will win out” was proven over and over. There is still zero reason for Bob’s live-action remakes other than being a money grab. I wonder how many original stories were passed over in favor of these “marketing-friendly” remakes?

Despite making a ton of money (but a lower overall box office with each sequel), they still cannot duplicate the success of the OT. The sequel trilogy has no cultural resonance, and Mando has been their greatest success. While I enjoyed “Kenobi” a great deal, parts of the story struck me as forced. GE is pretty, but it also feels hollow outside of Rise. It’s frustrating how wrong they have gotten so many things around Star Wars.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
This is correct. Take away the three F’s - Fiege, Favreau, and Filoni - and there’s precious few bright spots in the Disney film and TV pipeline.

The stewardship notwithstanding the Mando universe is abysmal.
What, we aren’t counting the coming PatF D+ series that they are basing the Splash retheme on as a bright spot?? 😂 Or all the other reboots and reimagined shows?
 

Tha Realest

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What, we aren’t counting the coming PatF D+ series that they are basing the Splash retheme on as a bright spot?? 😂 Or all the other reboots and reimagined shows?
D+ is a whole other set of problems.

The most popular animated series on D+ are The Simpsons (Fox acquisition, theme park rights currently elsewhere) and Bluey (licensed).

Disney animation and Pixar is completely off the rails. It’s going to get clobbered by Universal this year. The best animated film featuring a “Disney” character is going to be distributed by Sony.
 

GhostHost1000

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Disney+ has become sloppy… so much IP collected through acquisitions that isn’t “Disney”. Offload it all, seeing Simpsons and Charlie Brown and Ice Age under this umbrella just waters down your brand. Move it to Hulu or sell it off.
Combining Hulu and D+ seems like a logical possibility but how they pull that off with existing subscribers I’m not sure
 

MisterPenguin

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Disney’s Iger Returns to Familiar Stage, but With Different Challenges



By Brooks Barnes

Feb. 6, 2023, 5:00 a.m. ET

When it comes to reporting quarterly earnings, Robert A. Iger is an old pro. He has done it 58 times as Disney’s chief executive. But the next one, scheduled for Wednesday, will require him to give a performance for the corporate ages.

“It has to be an impactful, meaningful, tone-setting, agenda-changing day,” said Michael Nathanson, an analyst at SVB MoffettNathanson who has followed Disney for 18 years.

Another veteran Disney analyst, Jessica Reif Ehrlich of BofA Securities, agreed. “I don’t know that we’re going to see answers to everything, but Iger’s overall messaging is going to be critical,” she said.

So, no pressure.

On Wednesday, Mr. Iger will publicly face Wall Street and Hollywood for the first time since he came out of retirement to retake the reins of a deeply troubled Disney. In late November, the Disney board fired Bob Chapek as chief executive and rehired Mr. Iger, 71, who ran the company from late 2005 to early 2020. He is also contending with Nelson Peltz, the corporate raider turned activist investor. Mr. Peltz, 80, whose Trian Partners has amassed roughly $1 billion in Disney stock and is fighting for a board seat for himself or his son, wants the world’s largest entertainment company to revamp its streaming business, refocus on profit growth, cut costs, reinstate its dividend and do a much better job at succession planning.

Most of those things were in motion at Disney before Mr. Peltz started his proxy battle, and analysts expect Mr. Iger to provide updates on at least some fronts on Wednesday.

How are the content pipelines to Disney’s streaming services (Disney+, Hulu and Disney+) going to be managed? At 6:30 a.m. on his first day back, Mr. Iger ousted Disney’s top streaming executive and ordered a restructuring of a restructuring that Mr. Chapek had put into place.

For months, Disney has been talking about cost cutting and layoffs. Where are they? “This can’t drag on,” Ms. Ehrlich said. “It’s not good for company morale.” (Speaking of morale, some Disney employees have been circulating a petition to protest Mr. Iger’s decision last month to require everyone to report to the office four days a week.)

Shareholders are increasingly worried about the decline of Disney’s traditional television business, which includes ABC and 15 cable networks, led by ESPN, Disney Channel, FX, Freeform and National Geographic. Disney’s cable portfolio has held up better than those owned by some rival companies (notably NBCUniversal), but Americans have been cutting the cable cord at an alarming pace — total hookups declined by a record 6.2 percent from October to December.

“We need an honest and appropriate view of the future of Disney’s television business,” Mr. Nathanson said. “Is there an asset change? Does spending change? Under Chapek, the messaging was never very clear.”

Even in decline, traditional television remains Disney’s largest business, delivering $8.5 billion in operating income in the fiscal year that ended in October.

Disney and other old-line media companies are facing a simple equation that has proved astoundingly difficult to solve: Profit from traditional television is declining at a faster rate than streaming losses are moderating. In Disney’s case, traditional television earnings are expected to decline by $1.6 billion in 2023, while losses from streaming will abate by only about $900 million, according to Mr. Nathanson.

In November, Disney said that losses from its streaming portfolio totaled $1.5 billion from July through September, compared with $630 million a year earlier.

But Mr. Chapek, who led the company’s November earnings call, reiterated a promise that Disney+ would turn a profit by next October. Wall Street has been skeptical of that assertion, and Mr. Iger may revise it on Wednesday, along with guidance that Disney+ would have 215 million to 245 million global subscriptions by 2024. Disney+ currently has about 164 million worldwide.

Companies always try to put the rosiest spin possible on numbers when talking to analysts, shareholders and the news media on quarterly earnings conference calls. But the upbeat tone struck by Mr. Chapek in the November session did not sit well given the numbers that Disney was reporting. Along with widening losses in streaming, Disney had disappointing profit margins at its theme park business and missed Wall Street’s overall expectations for both revenue and net income, a rarity for the company. (When one senior Disney executive privately told Mr. Chapek before the call that his planned remarks were too positive, he called her Eeyore, the gloomy donkey from “Winnie the Pooh.”)

Mr. Iger will undoubtedly highlight some of Disney’s recent achievements. “Avatar: The Way of Water,” released by Walt Disney Studios, has generated $2.2 billion worldwide since it arrived in theaters on Dec. 16. Disney received more Oscar nominations last month (23) than any other company. Over the end-of-year holidays, Disney’s theme parks were gridlocked, easing fears about consumer belt-tightening.

“Despite the macro headwinds, the parks still feel incredibly strong,” Ms. Ehrlich said.

But Mr. Iger will also need to contend with a lackluster set of overall numbers, at least if analysts’ forecasts are correct. Analysts are expecting per-share earnings of about 79 cents from Disney, down from $1.06 for the same period a year ago, and revenue of $23.4 billion, up from $21.8 billion a year ago.

Analysts polled by FactSet estimate that Disney+ will have 163 million subscribers, a slight erosion from the previous quarter.

Mr. Iger will probably not directly address Mr. Peltz’s proxy battle, unless an analyst prods him about it. Disney has already made its position clear, saying in a Jan. 17 securities filing that Mr. Peltz had “no strategy, no operating initiatives, no new ideas and no plan.” In a fresh eruption late last week, Trian said there was an “urgent need” for Disney shareholders to drop Michael B.G. Froman from the company’s board and give the seat to Mr. Peltz or his son. In response, Disney aggressively defended Mr. Froman, a senior Mastercard executive and former U.S. trade representative who has been a Disney director since 2018.

Some prominent analysts have taken Disney’s side.

“He hasn’t made a good enough case for why he needs a seat on the board,” Mr. Nathanson said, referring to Mr. Peltz.

Richard Greenfield, a founder of the LightShed Partners research firm, was one of Mr. Iger’s most ardent critics during his previous tenure at Disney — so much so that Mr. Iger blocked him on Twitter and refused to take questions from him on earnings calls. Mr. Greenfield, however, recently published an aggressive defense of Disney titled “Disney Would Be Wise to Keep Peltz Off the Jedi Council.”

Perhaps Mr. Iger will take a question from Mr. Greenfield on Wednesday.

Brooks Barnes is a media and entertainment reporter, covering all things Hollywood. He joined The Times in 2007 as a business reporter focused primarily on the Walt Disney Company. He previously worked for The Wall Street Journal. @brooksbarnesNYT
 

ctrlaltdel

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D+ is a whole other set of problems.

The most popular animated series on D+ are The Simpsons (Fox acquisition, theme park rights currently elsewhere) and Bluey (licensed).

Disney animation and Pixar is completely off the rails. It’s going to get clobbered by Universal this year. The best animated film featuring a “Disney” character is going to be distributed by Sony.
Pixar got really screwed up with all the D+ releases. They thought they had a huge hit in Lightyear and that totally flopped on release, but Soul/Luca/Turning Red would have been pretty big hits in normal times, and likely during COVID as well considering that other family films have done quite well outside of Disney.
 

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