Disney’s Mufasa - the lion king

[Disstevefan1]

They release it into the market and hope it finds an audience.

So true.
As a Disney fan, my hope Disney makes money overall; combining bombs, break evens, blockbusters.

 

[Disney Irish]

So true.
As a Disney fan, my hope Disney makes money overall; combining bombs, break evens, blockbusters.

I always find it funny that some fans care whether Disney makes money, while others want them to lose money for whatever reasons. While neither stances has an overall impact on either set of fans.

In the end I really only care about whether whatever they produce is good (and that is subjective) and enjoyable by me. Some of the worst films out there can still be enjoyable, its all a matter of perspective.

 

[Agent H]

I always find it funny that some fans care whether Disney makes money, while others want them to lose money for whatever reasons. While neither stances has an overall impact on either set of fans.

In the end I really only care about whether whatever they produce is good (and that is subjective) and enjoyable by me. Some of the worst films out there can still be enjoyable, its all a matter of perspective.

I concur I don’t care how much money a movie makes that does not change my opinion of it for instance I loved the marvels and I think it was one of the most undeserved flops of the last 5 years

 

[Disney Irish]

I concur I don’t care how much money a movie makes that does not change my opinion of it for instance I loved the marvels and I think it was one of the most undeserved flops of the last 5 years

Yep, I enjoy talking about the budgets and stuff here, but in reality I couldn't careless. As long as its enjoyable to me while I'm watching it that is all that really matters, who cares what it cost at that point.

 

[Agent H]

Yeah me reading this thread is essentially just me going like this in my head

 

[Disstevefan1]

I always find it funny that some fans care whether Disney makes money, while others want them to lose money for whatever reasons. While neither stances has an overall impact on either set of fans.

In the end I really only care about whether whatever they produce is good (and that is subjective) and enjoyable by me. Some of the worst films out there can still be enjoyable, its all a matter of perspective.

I understand, if Disney makes movies that are enjoyable by you, that's enough for you. I get that.

I wanted the fountain of nations and Horizons to still exist in EPCOT, but that's just what I wanted.

While I know, Disney can use their theme park profits to fund their movie business, it seems to me for its movie business to be sustainable long term and for TWDC continue to be a good investment for the majority of stockholders which are institutional owners, in my opinion, their movie business overall; combining bombs, break evens, blockbusters should make money overall and not lose money.

Disney's theme park business, is also creative endeavor in its attractions, IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND PROFIT.

I think Disney's movie business should at least try not lose money overall when they combine their bombs, break evens and blockbusters.

One way is to try to control their movie budgets.

We know Disney has a strangle hold on their theme park budgets.

Getting back on track. I am glad Mufasa made money.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I concur I don’t care how much money a movie makes that does not change my opinion of it for instance I loved the marvels and I think it was one of the most undeserved flops of the last 5 years

I liked John Carter.

Lets hope Disney can continue to make movies we like no matter how much money they lose making them.

 

[Agent H]

I liked John Carter.

Lets hope Disney can continue to make movies we like not matter how much money they lose making them.

No I don’t think they should lose money to make movies that I like that’s not what I was saying at all

 

[Disney Irish]

I understand, if Disney makes movies that are enjoyable by you, that's enough for you. I get that.

I wanted the fountain of nations and Horizons to still exist in EPCOT, but that's just what I wanted.

While I know, Disney can use their theme park profits to fund their movie business, it seems to me for its movie business to be sustainable long term and for TWDC continue to be a good investment for the majority of stockholders which are institutional owners, in my opinion, their movie business overall; combining bombs, break evens, blockbusters should make money overall and not lose money.

Disney's theme park business, is also creative endeavor in its attractions, IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND PROFIT.

I think Disney's movie business should at least try not lose money overall when they combine their bombs, break evens and blockbusters.

One way is to try to control their movie budgets.

We know Disney has a strangle hold on their theme park budgets.

Getting back on track. I am glad Mufasa made money.

This is another thing that baffles me, Studios quite literally built the theme parks and propped them up for years. So why do we care that the theme parks are now doing the heavy lifting. That is what a company does, all divisions feed into the whole. Sometimes one does more of the heavy lifting than the others, but in the end it all feeds into the whole company. You think any other company is run differently? You think Comcast with their Studios and Theme Parks are run any differently? All are run the exact same way, this is how businesses work.

We as a fandom have to stop treating each division as separate companies just because we may like one particular division over the others.

Also why do you care if the institutional investors make money, again something that baffles me. Disney is an investment, and will continue to be so for many years to come. Some years are better than others, but they will continue to be an investment. Which is why you don't see any of those institutional investors offloading any of their shares in any major way, they will always make money.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Also why do you care if the institutional investors make money, again something that baffles me.

A lot of the institutional investors represent folks pensions and need TWDC to continue to be stable, but I get you, it doesn't effect me so who cares.

But you're right, I should not care if TWDC makes money as long as they keep putting out movies I like.

I have lost faith in their theme park business.

I guess it goes for both Disney's movie business and theme park business -

Disney is gonna do what Disney's gonna do and there is nothing we can do about it.

I am still glad Mufasa made money.

 

[erasure fan1]

This is another thing that baffles me, Studios quite literally built the theme parks and propped them up for years. So why do we care that the theme parks are now doing the heavy lifting.

I'd say for a lot/most people here, the parks are the reason they came to this site in the first place. The movie section is more of a secondary distraction. For a lot of people the quality of the experience at the parks has fallen off a cliff. Things being cut, prices through the roof, projects being cut or scaled back, the constant nickel and diming... I'd bet most people concerned feel when the movies aren't performing and when they lose money, Disney is going to rob Peter to pay Paul. The films aren't making money, make a bottled water 5 bucks or cut back on that next refurb or cut some streetmosphere. That's my opinion on it.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd say for a lot/most people here, the parks are the reason they came to this site in the first place. The movie section is more of a secondary distraction. For a lot of people the quality of the experience at the parks has fallen off a cliff. Things being cut, prices through the roof, projects being cut or scaled back, the constant nickel and diming... I'd bet most people concerned feel when the movies aren't performing and when they lose money, Disney is going to rob Peter to pay Paul. The films aren't making money, make a bottled water 5 bucks or cut back on that next refurb or cut some streetmosphere. That's my opinion on it.

And that is the problem, its an incorrect perception, one doesn't have anything to do with the other. For the years where Disney movies were making hand over fist at the box office the Parks were still getting cuts and prices being raised with little investments. Its not as cut and dry and people seem to think it is. All divisions have targets they have to hit. If Parks are not hitting their targets that is why they make cuts and increase prices, not because movies aren't making money at the box office.

Also everything in corporations are cyclical.

 

[Disney Irish]

A lot of the institutional investors represent folks pensions and need TWDC to continue to be stable, but I get you, it doesn't effect me so who cares.

And that isn't going to change if Disney isn't raking in the cash at the box office. If it was all institutional investors would have dumped their positions in 2023, but yet they didn't. As I recall, and could be wrong as I'm not looking up the charts right now, many increased their positions in 2023. So that seems to indicate that institutional investors don't care about the specifics of the box office. Sure it makes for great headlines (both positive and negative) when Disney movies do great or bomb, but it moves the needle very little.

But you're right, I should not care if TWDC makes money as long as they keep putting out movies I like.

I have lost faith in their theme park business.

I guess it goes for both Disney's movie business and theme park business -

I think its important to know why things happen though. You losing faith seems to come due to an incorrect perception of how the company works. Disney isn't making cuts in Parks because the movies aren't making money at the box office. They are making cuts because the Parks didn't hit the targets that were requested from upper management. Again something that ALL corporations do and not unique to Disney.

Also it should be noted that Comcast for many years didn't invest in their Parks after they acquired Universal. It was only recently where they started major investments. In fact there were rumors they wanted to get rid of their Parks after they acquired Universal. Heck if you go back to 2004 there are threads here where people feared what Comcast would do to the Parks if they were successful in their hostile takeover of Disney, ie they didn't know how to run theme parks. Oh how the tide changes.

Disney is gonna do what Disney's gonna do and there is nothing we can do about it.

The sooner we all accept this the more peaceful these boards will be.

I am still glad Mufasa made money.

I think most of us are.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You losing faith seems to come due to an incorrect perception of how the company works.

Nope, I did not lose faith in the parks because of some incorrect perception of how the company works.

Me as a consumer of the Disney parks, I constantly experience, "getting less and paying more", constant price increases, constant cost cutting, I saw things shown at D23 that never happen or are cost cut to death.

On of the most painful things to watch happen was Disney's "successful" renovation of EPCOTs future world. Very BAD.

But I am still glad Mufasa made money (this is me staying on track )

 

[Disney Irish]

Nope, I did not lose faith in the parks because of some incorrect perception of how the company works.

Me as a consumer of the Disney parks, I constantly see "getting less and paying more", constant price increases, constant cost cutting, Things shown at D23 that never happen or are cost cut to death.

On of the most painful things to watch happen was Disney's "successful" renovation of EPCOTs future world. Very BAD.

But I am still glad Mufasa made money (this is me staying on track )

What is the incorrect perception is the why those cuts and price increases are happening, they aren't happening because some movies lost money at the box office. They happen because of other reasons, suck as it does, but not because of movies losing money.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What is the incorrect perception is the why those cuts and price increases are happening, they aren't happen because some movies lost money at the box office. They happen because of other reasons, suck as it does, but not because of movies losing money.

I never, ever said that cuts and price increases at the parks happen because they lose money at the box office.

Theme parks and movie studios are two different businesses within the company.

The cuts and price increases at the parks happen because Disney runs their theme parks business TO MAKE MONEY having nothing to do with their movie business.

Just like their movie business spends hundreds of millions making a movie and hope for the best.

 

[Disney Irish]

I never, ever said that cuts and price increases at the parks happen because they lose money at the box office.

Theme parks and movie studios are two different businesses within the company.

The cuts and price increases at the parks happen because Disney runs their theme parks business TO MAKE MONEY having nothing to do with their movie business.

Just like their movie business spends hundreds of millions making a movie and hope for the best.

Except that is quite literally what you post here.

While I know, Disney can use their theme park profits to fund their movie business

This is the misconception. Studios is not actually being funded by the Parks. Period. I know it seems like that because Parks is one of the biggest money makers in the company, but its not that cut and dry. So on the flip side of that, the Parks are not suffering either because the movies aren't making money at the box office. Period. Again its not that simple, not that cut and dry.

If Disney wanted to build 3 new Resorts around the world with 15 brand new attractions at each of the existing Parks every year they could. They aren't because of other reasons, but its not directly related to the performance of some movies at the box office. Have people forgotten that Studios quite literally didn't have a hit movie for like most of the 70s thru most of the 80s, and yet Parks were getting investments. So again this is the misconception, that somehow Studios underperforming is leading to the downfall of the Parks. No, Disney isn't investing in the Parks (until recently) because they didn't want to, not because Studios were underperforming. So blame the Executive Management team, blame the Parks Chairman, blame whomever, but don't blame Studios performance at the box office for Disney not investing in whatever your favorite Parks project that got cut was. Because again if it was then why wasn't there any major investments when Studios were making hand of fist and ruling the box office in the 2000s and 2010s?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Except that is quite literally what you post here.

This does not say that cuts and price increases at the parks happen because they lose money at the box office.

Oh look. I Googled it. Do we trust Google these days?

 

[Disney Irish]

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This does not say that cuts and price increases at the parks happen because they lose money at the box office.

Oh look. I Googled it. Do we trust Google these days?
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lol, I’m sorry it’s not a far stretch to think you believe because they are using Parks profits for Studios that they are also cutting services and raising prices because of Studios underperformance. As they are part of the same argument, otherwise why bring it up in the same context as cuts and price increase discussions.

Also Business Economics 101, all profits are used to fund all parts of a company. So if Parks has profits its funding the entire company not just Studios. And if Studios has profits it’s funding the entire company. And if any other part of the company has profit is funding the entire company. This is the basis for all modern corporations. No one division is feeding solely another division. Also Parks doesn’t keep its profit only in Parks, and hasn’t since day one.

 

[Disney Irish]

Anyways if we’ve had enough of Business Econ 101 for a day….

Mufasa is at $653M WW