News Dismal Q3 Earnings

mikejs78

Premium Member
A new land for a property as big as Star Wars should be SLAMMED. Anyone who believes otherwise lives in Fantasyland.
Of course it should. They made a series of blunders that led to underwhelming performance at DL. We'll see if that carries over the DHS, which has a different set of circumstances and problems.

What I object to is the narrative that the land is a failure because they botched the launch. And I do think the impact once RotR opens will be significant. We will see.

Usually you're a lot more rational on these types of things - why the sudden shift?
 

WDW Pro

Well-Known Member
Honestly, everyone who is pushing the idea that this is a bad earnings report but complains that Iger and company are too beholden to Wall Street:

You are part of the problem.

By any sane measure of business, Disney had a great quarter. They saw increases in every single business segment over last year. The problem is Wall Street analysts and their insane predictions. And feeding into that narrative exacerbates the problem.

You're very good at being wrong consistently.
 

DDLand

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They artificially increased spending per guest this quarter by selling $200 lightsabers and $50 alcoholic beverages to the superfans that showed up. But they didn't spend millions to set up a virtual queue that they expected to only use for about eight hours total... they expected to need it for those revenue-driving crowds for the entire summer.
Not only that, but they say “Per Capita Spending” was up. What group of visitors spends the least per gate click? Annual Passport holders. What happens when the Annual Passport Holders don’t come? Naturally the per capita spending should rise. This may not even reflect increased spending on the part of most guests, but just reflect a different mix of guests visiting.

That’s a wee speculative, but I think it makes sense. @ParentsOf4 would be able to comment further.

DHS is expected to come in at 1.1 billion. DLR is significantly over budget and incurred an insane $100,000,000 additional costs (approx) in demo of major portions of RotR and reinstallation of said portions (the inside of RotR currently is in full disarray). I don't have those numbers from any outside source that I can link you to, but other insiders can likely verify them.
You’re being generous with that number. What about their new fancy parking garage and the infrastructure investments? What about the work they’re doing at Disney California Adventure to “balance out” the two parks? It turns out they didn’t have anything to balance out.

Let’s be clear, this is a humiliation. While I’m still bullish on the potential of Galaxy’s Edge in the long run, the rollout of this land has been beyond abysmal. I didn’t expect this to happen. For the last four years I’ve been thinking that Star Wars was a sure thing. That this was going to be bigger than anything we’ve ever seen. Instead, we have attendance down. Star Wars made attendance go DOWN. How many people, besides our resident trolls, were anticipating this? Who could have imagined that summer of last year would be bigger than this year?

The park has 20% more capacity and instead of making use of it, it’s emptier than it was before. This is mind boggling. I didn’t see this coming. Analysts didn’t see this coming. Disney didn’t see this coming.

How many of you plan vacations around when new stuff opens so you can avoid the crowds? It’s insane!

So no, this was NOT a good quarter. Analysts have every right to be wondering what happened to the mythical Star Wars Land that didn’t need advertising. This was not supposed to be a transition quarter, this was supposed to be a huge legacy moment for Iger. The narrative was the division formerly known as Walt Disney Park’s and Resorts would lead profit growth offsetting the high costs of launching the streaming service. That narrative has just been called into question.

Once again, I remain optimistic of the short to medium term. But I also think Disney better be doing some soul searching. This really was worrisome.
 
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WDW Pro

Well-Known Member
This thread is amusing....
Great argument there...

Honestly the fact that you and most people here think that the analyst miss was about parks shows that you really don't know what you're talking about.

The first quote was your response when I announced a week ago that Q revenue would be down, stocks would be impacted, and domestic parks were the reason. The second quote is you continuing your pattern.
 

Buried20KLeague

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Disney wants two things every quarter from the theme parks - More guests, and higher per-guest spending. Period.

So... No RotR in DL until December(?). Reviews aren’t exactly glowing. What happens if the DL AP holders don’t start showing up in the hordes they think will show up later this month and next? Will we need to set up watches outside TDA and the Burbank Ivory Tower?

All the streetmosphere characters in GE will be cut first thing. I guarantee that.
 

Buried20KLeague

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Is that how many there are? I have yet to go... just read about how it added to the atmosphere of the land. And the first thing I thought was how quickly they’d probably be gone.

Like the snow on Everest. Or the functioning yeti for that matter. Or countless effects that all attractions open with but are lost right away.
 

DDLand

Well-Known Member
Yes yes, it’s not anyone in the financial press talking about this...


Oh wait. They’re just as bewildered as we are. This is crazy.
 

WDW Pro

Well-Known Member
Yes yes, it’s not anyone in the financial press talking about this...


Oh wait. They’re just as bewildered as we are. This is crazy.

Don't listen to Bloomberg, we have "experts" here telling you this is all your imagination.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Yes yes, it’s not anyone in the financial press talking about this...


Oh wait. They’re just as bewildered as we are. This is crazy.
I think opening with only 1 ride is a big contributor. Who would plan a trip to do to an unfinished land? A local passholder would go but is scared off by anticipated crowds that they don't want to deal with.
 

ParkPeeker

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What I object to is the narrative that the land is a failure because they botched the launch. And I do think the impact once RotR opens will be significant. We will see.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. That when someone says it's a fail, they mean that it can't change in the future? Who is arguing that? Who, from the people saying/implying it's a failure, is claiming that for the future of the land/ or when RotR opens. They're saying it's a failure (as of right now).
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. That when someone says it's a fail, they mean that it can't change in the future? Who is arguing that? Who, from the people saying/implying it's a failure, is claiming that for the future of the land/ or when RotR opens. They're saying it's a failure (as of right now).
The problem here is that too many people in this thread are misunderstanding what the failure here is.
 

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