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ACE

ACE

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speck76 said:
If a 14 year old can not maintain themselves on the forums, perhaps there should be a minimum age limit.
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Yeah, like 30. Oh wait, you wouldn't be old enough then. Well maybe next year. :lol:

:wave: ACE
 
Shaman

Shaman

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AEfx said:
I do and have.
As I specifically said above, I know nothing about him but that post. It's irrelevant. You obviously have some problem with him. I have no preconcieved notions about him. I'm not going to speculate what the issue is. He simply said something that I've heard a lot and felt before. There was a time where I didn't want to post here because of some of the things that are posted. Maybe it was justified in his case. Maybe not. Maybe he DOES have an "axe to grind" or falls under one of the other "excuse" examples. It's irrelevant because his posting history and my lack of knowledge of it doesn't invalidate the things I observe on these boards myself.
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Umm...no...I don't think you understand where he is coming from...

I have no problems with NowInc...why you would say that, is beyond me...but anyways....


AEfx said:
EXACTLY MY POINT.

Where am I mistaken? It's not about premium vs. non-premium. It never was. Some people have seemed to try to say this in the past that was about the most minor point I have made in this thread and you have made a huge deal about it - detracting from the actual issue.

I can tell you exactly where this came from - because under the old rep system one of the benefits of paid vs. non was that you could see who left you rep. Some people took advantage of this and gave negative rep with abusive comments because people weren't premium members and they felt they wouldn't be held accountable since the non-paying member couldn't see who left it. It was a way to leave a snide comment for someone without exposing yourself in a thread. When things like that were mentioned, people said "Oh no, you are full of it - you're just jealous!" and so it began.

You are SO right in what you say in the last quote above. Some people behave right, some people don't. In this thread I have simply shared some observations that I have about some of the people that don't. I have never started a thread about this topic, and I won't. But this thread has been going for a few days and I felt the need to contribute my opinion. Perhaps that was a mistake. If you are implying that I am behaving badly by doing so, I guess you feel I should keep my opinion to myself if I see things differently than you. If that's the case...I just don't agree. Why is it not okay for me to percieve some of the posts here differently than you? Why do you protest so much when I say it's not cool to tell people things like what they post is stupid?

AEfx
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First, you say it's not about PM and nonPM then you turn around and go back to one of the arguments made about PMs way back when...what's the point of that? Seems like a contradiction to me...

Like I said before, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree.

My problem is ONLY with the way you have presented your opinion, because the newer members will come in here and read all this trash (every post from start to finish) and get the wrong impression of things...

Everyone has an opinion...and I'll be the first to say yours is as valid as mine...
 
AEfx

AEfx

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objr said:
Umm...no...I don't think you understand where he is coming from...

I have no problems with NowInc...why you would say that, is beyond me...but anyways....
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The point is, I wasn't making any assumption about where he was coming from. I said what I did because I don't understand why you think it's relevant - you brought into question his posting history which has nothing to do with anything. I misunderstood where you were going with it. If you would stop being cryptic and spell it out instead of dragging the interpretation through several posts, it would make it easier for me to understand what your problem with my quoting him was.


objr said:
First, you say it's not about PM and nonPM then you turn around and go back to one of the arguments made about PMs way back when...what's the point of that? Seems like a contradiction to me...
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BECAUSE YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP. It was my mistake to put that sentance in the first place because, as I predicted, I knew someone would take a grain of sand and turn it into a beach.

I was trying to expose the root of the misunderstanding since you took one sentance out of what I have said today and keep hammering upon it. I had hoped that since it seems to be the central focus of your issue with me we could lay the issue to rest SINCE WE AGREE. I guess that was too optimistic of me.

objr said:
Like I said before, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree.
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Okay. I don't agree with you. I'm okay with that. Why aren't you?

objr said:
My problem is ONLY with the way you have presented your opinion, because the newer members will come in here and read all this trash (every post from start to finish) and get the wrong impression of things...
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Well, then I guess you just have a personality conflict with me. Nothing I care to address, to be frank. Your personality isn't winning any points with me either - we aren't going to be best buddies. I'm sure neither of us will loose sleep over that.

People come here and get a bad impression sometimes not because of what I'm posting today, it's because there are certain frequent posters who people sometimes assume is typical here. All I have said here is that those people aren't typical and that people should stick with it and ignore them as best as possible as I try to do.

So, in essence, what you are saying is that my impression is wrong - well how does that lead to :

objr said:
Everyone has an opinion...and I'll be the first to say yours is as valid as mine...
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I'm not the one contradicting myself here...

AEfx
 
Shaman

Shaman

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I've said all that I needed to say about this issue AEfx....people know where I stand...

An attack of wdwmagic.com is a personal attack...maybe it shouldn't be that way but thats how I take it...and I'm not the only one...

Those who know me...know what type of person I am...those who don't can look at my posting history...You will see that I respect people, and especially the places where I am a guest. If I see something wrong, I will NEVER hesitate to voice my opinion about it...and expect the same from others...But take it up with the very person you have a problem with (this is another problem I had with this thread) people should know when they are being accussed of something...PM them address your concerns with them...maybe there is a misunderstanding...if all else fails Report them...

Just don't stand behind the anonymity of the internet and scream foul.

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diddy_mouse

diddy_mouse

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Whew! I thought I'd never finish reading that thread (which I know will just keep going)

The rants were plentiful, and the sprinkles of underware discussions added a nice bit of flavor. All in all I give it four stars... :D
 
AEfx

AEfx

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objr said:
I've said all that I needed to say about this issue AEfx....people know where I stand...
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It's hard to see where you stand - you and I agree about PM/non-PM having nothing to do with it, and you have some cryptic problem with the quote I initially made. Other than that...you don't like my personality. You haven't debated the meat of my comments so I guess it's hard to see why you have such an issue with what I've said.

objr said:
An attack of wdwmagic.com is a personal attack...maybe it shouldn't be that way but thats how I take it...and I'm not the only one...
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/sigh

You haven't read a word I have said, have you?

How many times, and in how much bold print can I say that it is a small MINORITY of people who act in the manner in which I described.

I have not attacked wdwmagic.com in any way, shape or form. I'm sorry, but that's just your projection. I have over and over effusively said that I love WDWMagic and the vast majority of people who post here are wonderful. Again, I wouldn't pay for this site if I didn't believe that.

Why can't you understand that I may recognize a problem with a small group of members and insist as interpreting this as an attack on WDWMagic as a whole? If someone has problem with, say, a few CM's at WDW does that mean they are attacking WDW as a whole? I just don't see the logic.

objr said:
But take it up with the very person you have a problem with (this is another problem I had with this thread) people should know when they are being accussed of something...PM them address your concerns with them...maybe there is a misunderstanding...if all else fails Report them...
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Again, I have done so. With the type of people I am talking about (again, those that tell people they are stupid, or are agressive consistently to new members). I've done it in the very thread when they have affected me personally, and have also done it by PM.

There is no misunderstanding when some people constantly are rude and say what they do repeatedly, daily. Reporting doesn't work, because unless they swear or namecall, in most cases they aren't breaking the rules enough for administrative action to be taken. That doesn't make their attitude good.

This thread was talking about the general trend, and that is what I commented on. I'm afraid it is you who have misinterpeted me.

objr said:
Just don't stand behind the anonymity of the internet and scream foul.

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I'm not at all. As I've said about six times now but you keep missing, I have brought it to the attention of those who have personally exhibted this behavior directly to me. I've done it publicly and privately and if someone does it again I will do the same. It happens a lot less now that I have learned how to use ignore on the worst offenders. Making a laundry list here isn't going to help anything, or change anything - it has nothing to do with anonymity and would only satisfy those who likely act this way to get attention in the first place.

It's fine if you don't agree with me, but please don't project things on me I didn't say or twist my words by telling me I'm doing anything but speaking out against rude people who consistently treat people like crap - A VERY SMALL PORTION OF PEOPLE and NOT typical of WDWMagic; unfortunately, the fact that they aren't typical isn't always obvious.

AEfx
 
wdwishes2005

wdwishes2005

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speck76 said:
debate: To engage in a formal discussion of opposing viewpoints

argue: To engage in a quarrel; dispute.

If a 14 year old can not maintain themselves on the forums, perhaps there should be a minimum age limit.
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do you honestly think those same fourteen year olds
wouldn't make their age higher on the registration form?
 

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