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General Grizz
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omg..!!af..will it bE conNEcted1 by A MONOrOAILLL?111?!!!!!2!Legacy said:
yellowstoner
New Member
Pumbas Nakasak said:
That's great since I couldn't find a clean pair. :lookaroun
And while I'm on the subject why do they call it a "pair" of underwear when there is only one? I tried putting on a pair of underwear and it was very uncomfortable and time consuming in a public restroom. :zipit:
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
yellowstoner said:
is it to do with the contents?
AEfx
Well-Known Member
objr said:
Sorry, not going to play that game. You can call it cowardly if you wish - I see it as not feeding whatever reason forces some people to post the way they do. I don't know why it should anger anyone who doesn't act that way. I'm not antagonizing anyone - I was replying to something a veteran poster who no longer regularly participates that struck a chord with me.
objr said:
I did not suggest any such thing. If you read the end of my posting, in this case you have done exactly what I was talking about - you took one phrase out of context.
There is an issue that lurks around here, and I said that sometimes people have tried make it out as a premium vs. non premium, which isn't the case at all. As I said, saying that has anything to do with it is silly - there are people of both memberships who exhibit the behavior. I'm not going to argue this point, since I AM a premium member.
objr said:
See, this is what I feel is a bad assumption. Everyone who thinks some members of this site isn't always welcoming is because they are troublemakers? That's what I was talking about above - there seems this automatic "oh they have an axe to grind!" whenever anyone expresses dissatisfaction with some of the behavior around here. After awhile, you begin to wonder...is the problem really everyone else?
objr said:
Right, and that's great. I'm not questioning anyones love of these boards. The things I'm talking about are the people that constantly post, "Your opinion is wrong, because I know better and you don't possibly know what you are talking about!" or that harass a new poster telling them they are posting stupid things or post nothing but one liners followed by "..." that are aimed at making fun of people or making them feel bad. We all have bad days, and we all can be pithy sometimes, but a few people who do it constantly make it appear sometimes that WDWMagic isn't always the most welcoming place.
I've largely learned how to deal with and avoid this, and only posted here (after avoiding this thread for a few days until it wouldn't go away) not to antagonize anyone but to validate a few people who have a perception I can't blame them for having. As I stressed continually in my post above, it's not nearly everyone - and I hope that people who feel this large amount of negativity from WDWMagic know that it ISN'T everyone and that it's worth sticking around in spite of the few bad apples, as I have.
wannab@dis said:
What tired argument? That some people act in a poor manner around here sometimes? It's not an argument, it's just a fact. Your hyperbole is just that...hyperbole. I've gotten into one real extended discussion about this before, but have only called people on it a scant few times where the line was crossed to me personally. If I responded to this behavior every time I saw it, I'd have a heck of a lot more posts.
If you don't believe that people treating people badly on a consistent basis is wrong, then I guess we disagree.
wannab@dis said:
I wasn't talking about, nor did I mention, the two moderators specificly. There just seems to be this tolerance - a "oh, it's just so-and-so, they always act like that" - and in general if it comes from a frequent poster we ignore it and it's just reenforced. That's what I'm refering to as the "culture". Some people avoid it because they simply are intimidated. Some people ignore it because they are pals with the person. Some people ignore it because they love WDWMagic so much (kind of like how people love WDW so much) they can't bear to think it's anything but constantly perfect. Some people ignore it because they don't care, or because it's never affected them directly. The fact is, when people like the OP (who again, didn't enter with a whole lot of grace I heartily admit) mention this impression they get here, they get bashed down into the ground because people...ignore it. I admit - it does bother me - but I've learned how to avoid it and fall into the "ignore it" trap myself the majority of the time. What the person I replied to said compelled me to throw myself into the fire for having an opinion. My mistake.
As I've said, I've dealt with the issue personally - I'm a big boy and can stand up for myself, and I have when I've felt people have acted in this way towards me. I don't feel victimized in the least - but I do feel the need to validate those people who feel the same vibe here from time to time that I have felt before.
Again, if you don't exhibit the behavior I described above in the majority of your posts, what I said shouldn't affect you at all.
I think WDWMagic is overall a wonderful community, or I wouldn't pay to subscribe every month. Last month I accidentally clicked the basic pass instead of the premium, and when I resubscribed this month I made sure I corrected my error. I don't use any of the premium features regularly, but I want to support the site as much as I can. I don't pay for ANY content on the Internet (it goes against my beliefs, LOL), but I contribute here because I think it's THAT valuable. I LOVE WDWMAGIC.
Does that mean I don't recognize some of the not-so-magical issues that go on around here occasionally, and that I should pretend I don't think they exist? I just don't agree. That's really all I've got to say about it. If you are someone who behaves in the way I describe above and get offended, I'm can't say I'm sorry. If you are someone who takes offense at it because you see it as an attack on WDW magic when I have SPECIFICALLY said it's only a minority of posters, I don't know how to explain it any more clearly. Other than that, I really can't say anything else about the topic - the ignore feature has largely removed it from my daily visits to this board, thankfully - but also unfortunately (that I had to do it at all).
AEfx
Mmmeredith
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And the winner of the thread is...
Pumbas Nakasak! :sohappy:
Pumbas Nakasak! :sohappy:
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Legacy said:
Prosthetics, spring to mind, though quite what sort of mind that indicates is rather worrying
Shaman
Well-Known Member
AEfx said:
This isn't a game. You occasionally make the same accusations...how about some substance to go with them?
Perhaps you should find out more about the veteran poster before you assume too much...
AEfx said:
Ok...lets have a look...
AEfx said:
I think it was clear. Maybe I have an axe to grind...
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Ive got an axe to grind, but Ive now invested in a sweet little chain saw.
Ive got it to fend off the thread Police
Ive got it to fend off the thread Police
AEfx
Well-Known Member
objr said:
I'm not playing a game. I'm simply expressing an opinion that you do not seem to care for. Not sure why what I said struck such a chord with you. I think the problem is that some people think of it as a game, actually. Where people "win" and "loose". I don't know what you want for substance - I'm not going to sit here and make a laundry list for you. As I clearly said above, when the behavior has affected me personally I have spoken up in the appropriate thread. Rehashing specific instances here would do nothing but turn it into a game.
objr said:
I didn't assume anything about the character of the person I replied to. What he said in his post here today is what compelled me to post. That's all.
objr said:I think it was clear. Maybe I have an axe to grind...
I don't know. Do you? Why did you take offense to and reply to my post? Because you think I was talking about you? Do you post every day saying things like, as I said above :
AEfx said:
Is this you?
All I did was give two examples in the quote you bolded above : that when people speak up about the behavior of some posters they are often dismissed as "troublemakers" or that they have an "axe to grind" OR it's somehow a premium versus non. I was listing all the justifications I've seen made attacking the people who mention this issue. There's always some excuse as to why they couldn't possibly have a point...
It seems the bulk of your problem with my posting has to do with that example just because I mentioned the word premium. I've said it before, but I guess it bears repeating...I am a paying member here. Just like the entire population of board users, the vast majority of premium members are just as wonderful as everyone else. All I can say is I was not implying nor making any generalities about premium members (MY GOD, I am one, LOL) - and if I haven't made that clear to you I really don't know how else to communicate that fact to you.
Would it make you feel better if I removed that sentence from my post?
AEfx
SpongeScott
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pair of scissors?yellowstoner said:
pair of pants?
Shaman
Well-Known Member
AEfx said:
Simple. I like to know where people stand. And IF you were attacking my character (not saying that you are) I would want to know...so that I may defend myself. Perhaps you should take it up with those people via PMs.
Didn't say that. You think you know what has happened to that person in the time he has been here? My point is...do you even understand what NowInc was trying to get across with his post?
See this is where YOU are mistaken...its never about premium members against the rest...its about those who act right and those who don't...and all because you're a premium member doesn't change anything...
AEfx
Well-Known Member
objr said:
I do and have.
objr said:
As I specifically said above, I know nothing about him but that post. It's irrelevant. You obviously have some problem with him. I have no preconcieved notions about him. I'm not going to speculate what the issue is. He simply said something that I've heard a lot and felt before. There was a time where I didn't want to post here because of some of the things that are posted. Maybe it was justified in his case. Maybe not. Maybe he DOES have an "axe to grind" or falls under one of the other "excuse" examples. It's irrelevant because his posting history and my lack of knowledge of it doesn't invalidate the things I observe on these boards myself.
objr said:
EXACTLY MY POINT.
Where am I mistaken? It's not about premium vs. non-premium. It never was. Some people have seemed to try to say this in the past that was about the most minor point I have made in this thread and you have made a huge deal about it - detracting from the actual issue.
I can tell you exactly where this came from - because under the old rep system one of the benefits of paid vs. non was that you could see who left you rep. Some people took advantage of this and gave negative rep with abusive comments because people weren't premium members and they felt they wouldn't be held accountable since the non-paying member couldn't see who left it. It was a way to leave a snide comment for someone without exposing yourself in a thread. When things like that were mentioned, people said "Oh no, you are full of it - you're just jealous!" and so it began.
You are SO right in what you say in the last quote above. Some people behave right, some people don't. In this thread I have simply shared some observations that I have about some of the people that don't. I have never started a thread about this topic, and I won't. But this thread has been going for a few days and I felt the need to contribute my opinion. Perhaps that was a mistake. If you are implying that I am behaving badly by doing so, I guess you feel I should keep my opinion to myself if I see things differently than you. If that's the case...I just don't agree. Why is it not okay for me to percieve some of the posts here differently than you? Why do you protest so much when I say it's not cool to tell people things like what they post is stupid?
AEfx