Disgruntled Disney Workers Give Leaflets At OIA

[Hakunamatata]

Going out of their way for a guest is a part of their job description. In fact, I believe it is the basis of Traditions. Disney does not request their CMs to do whatever they can to make the guests happy, they require it. So, no, they should not expect a raise for doing their job. They deserve a raise if they go above and beyond in their job performance and stand out as a wonderful cast member.

I do my job everyday and exceed expectations. Many times I receive an email saying thank you, but I don't get a raise. It is expected of me. If I continually perform in an outstanding fashion, the I may get a raise depending on the financial status of the company.

Now, this is just another reason why the unions are not helping the individuals. Unions want to predetermine the raises for their members. If they would instead set up a merit based analysis in the contract, then the deserving members would fare much better. Again, it's the socialistic way of thinking that guides their contract negotiations and that is to base everything on the lowest common denominator, not the outstanding few.

Let me see if I can make this point with an example. Let's say that Bob is a wonderful employee and always performs above expectations and consistently receives compliments from guests. Now, Mike is late a few times each month, does not perform to standards and has never received a compliment from a guest. But, he has never reached the point at which he could be fired under the union rules. The union dictates that Bob & Mike be treated equally. That's a shame and Bob should be ticked off! The union is NOT serving a purpose in this case except to protect Mike from the his just reward, the boot.

The above mentioned names are not based on real individuals!

Very well stated.

I agree that there was a time and a place for unions and that unions have served a great purpose. But remember, when unions were in their glory and making strides for the worker, it was during a time when workers, in general were not well educated, an education likely was not even available, and workers needed an entity to look out for their needs.

Now, in this day and age, where a 12th grade education is available and free to anyone, even non residents of the U.S. (different subject), and some college can be obtained at little or no charge, the worker in general is better educated and should be able to look out for their own interest. In addition, due to the current labor laws, the worker actually, in my opinion, has the advantage.

Now this is just my opinion, and I have tried to state it as to not infringe on the feelings of others.

 

[Jekyll]

I am just saying that there are those that go beyond the normal disney attitude. There are also those who do not and do the minmum of what is required. All I am saying is I feel that those who do should be rewarded for what people have come to expect.

 

[speck76]

I gave an example for those people who work in areas where it isn't easy to get to a restroom. I think if you're down on the floor and you work at a workstation and you can't just walk away from the floor, then you should be given breaks.

As for feeling lucky you work for a good employer, yeah. That's great. But just because you have it good doesn't necessarily mean it's good for others. And that's the point. Companies that treat their employees well in order to keep them from organizing, in my mind, is a direct benefit of unions. If we treat them well, then they won't join.

I agree with your second point, but for your first point, the problem I have with unions in the service industry is that many people (the lazy people that unfortunately get protected by the union) will say "Ok, it is 2pm, time for my break" no matter the demands of the job at that time period. In my experience working as a manager in non-unionized service environments, we would do whatever we could to get people their breaks at their requested time, but if at 2pm, we had a line out the door, they might just have to wait a few minutes.....afterall, their purpose first and foremost is to service, what good is it doing the employer if they are not doing that.

All jobs should be win-win....the worker should be able to work in a good environment and provide the service that they are being paid to provide. The company should be getting value from their employee.....both should benefit.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Very well stated.

I agree that there was a time and a place for unions and that unions have served a great purpose. But remember, when unions were in their glory and making strides for the worker, it was during a time when workers, in general were not well educated, an education likely was not even available, and workers needed an entity to look out for their needs.

Now, in this day and age, where a 12th grade education is available and free to anyone, even non residents of the U.S. (different subject), and some college can be obtained at little or no charge, the worker in general is better educated and should be able to look out for their own interest. In addition, due to the current labor laws, the worker actually, in my opinion, has the advantage.

We can agree on that.

 

[Tim G]

I wonder how many of you out there who are saying that people who aren't directly involved in this matter, shouldn't comment, due to lack of knowledge, are some of the same people who THINK you know better than the President on matters of foreign diplomacy, domestic policy, and war!!! Point is this, to ASSUME that I or anyone else commenting on this thread doesn't understand what's going on, is to ASSUME that we're all ignorant, inexperienced, or stupid. Now, you didn't use those words, but you didn't have to. The FACT that some of you out there are saying that we who aren't THERE shouldn't comment is proof of those feelings that I described.
If you're in the know? If you REALLY know what's going on there.
OR DO YOU?!!!

Tsk.. Tsk.... carefull... you won't get very popular with this attitude...

 

[PhotoDave219]

There is no end-goal for my anti-union comments. I simply take the position, as I have said repeatedly, (maybe you're just not understanding here), people don't NEED unions to fight their battles for them. They have the power as INDIVIDUALS to accomplish ANYTHING. You just need the desire to do so, and a willingness to act on that desire. I understand the FACT that we are talking about a union led group here, so my view is just that, my view.

But again, why can't YOU or ANYONE else answer ANY of my questions. I had (1) cm actually give me some information about dues. He/She pays $24/month in dues. Now, if we were to surmize that the 20K plus members that are being represented here pay that same amount, that's in excess of 6 MILLION DOLLARS a year that goes TO THE UNION. Tell me something DAVE: Where is all that money? Who's in charge of it? Is it invested as a pension plan for the members? (it should be). Shouldn't the members get some ROI? (return on investment). Or are you going to tell us all out here that it takes 6 MILLION DOLLARS a year to run the union(s)?

Now, if I have alienated anyone, most importantly any cms, that's too bad. I have been a seasonal cm myself, and all I have been expressing throughout my comments is my support for the cms and how I KNOW they deserve better pay and benefits. But I've also said how I believe that they have the power to negotiate on their own behalf, without having to part with $300/year that seemingly goes into a black hole. So, let me ask another question.

Do the members get a monthly, quarterly, annual report from the union on where/what THEIR money is doing for them?

My understanding also is that the negotiations started in January. If so, how many times did the union leadership meet with its members to discuss strategy, proposals, positions, etc.?

I know, I know DAVE. You'll say, none of that matters.

Dave, you don't happen to be in a union leadership position with your company do you?

Hmmmmm

Thank you for clarifying your position.

Since you've stated that you have no end goal for your comments, and none of them are Disney related, then your comments on this really no longer have a place on a Disney forum. Youve repeatedly asked the same questions to which no one is going to provide the answers, thus you might want to start searching elsewhere for them. Your details on the contract offer can be found at www.HereLocal362.Org. As for where their money goes, I'd suggest searching SEC filings or a search on Lexus-Nexus News Service. Good luck with your searching.

Since this is not IHateUnions.Com, rather its WDWMagic.Com, I suggest you find a forum where your questions can and will be answered; one that is more appropriate for the subject matter that you wish to discuss. Your tone and manner is very disrespectful to most and is quite unDisneylike in its demeanor.

Now that youve proven that your goals, intentions and behavior have nothing to do with Disney, please take it elsewhere until you have something Disney related to add to the discussion - Or find your answers on the details of the day-to-day operations of HERE Local 362 and the monies involved.

Thank You and Good Luck finding your Answers.
Have a Magical Day. :wave:

 

[se8472]

Thank you for clarifying your position.

Since you've stated that you have no end goal for your comments, and none of them are Disney related, then your comments on this really no longer have a place on a Disney forum. Youve repeatedly asked the same questions to which no one is going to provide the answers, thus you might want to start searching elsewhere for them. Your details on the contract offer can be found at www.HereLocal362.Org. As for where their money goes, I'd suggest searching SEC filings or a search on Lexus-Nexus News Service. Good luck with your searching.

Since this is not IHateUnions.Com, rather its WDWMagic.Com, I suggest you find a forum where your questions can and will be answered; one that is more appropriate for the subject matter that you wish to discuss. Your tone and manner is very disrespectful to most and is quite unDisneylike in its demeanor.

Now that youve proven that your goals, intentions and behavior have nothing to do with Disney, please take it elsewhere until you have something Disney related to add to the discussion - Or find your answers on the details of the day-to-day operations of HERE Local 362 and the monies involved.

Thank You and Good Luck finding your Answers.
Have a Magical Day. :wave:

AMEN! :sohappy:

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Umm, Dave

Since I no longer care what YOUR opinions on this matter are, I'll ingore the fact that you THINK you can tell ANYONE what to do. Now, I have NOT proven that my comments are un-Disney (if I may) related. On the contrary. I see where you agreed with hakunamatatas' comments, and they are EXACTLY the same points that I have been stating over and over. BUt because that person worded them in a way that wasn't offensive or mean as far as YOU were concerned, I guess you could agree with that person eh?

And if I may, that person said that people today, being better educated, are more equipped to take care of themselves than the union. Ummm, if you will review my previous posts, I believe that's exactly what I said?!!! Or did you conveniently forget or neglect to mention that in your tirade of anger and venom?

Again, Disney employees at the cm level deserve a raise. They deserve the best benefits that they can get for themselves. I just don't believe that the union is helping to provide those things for them.

And no, I don't need to look at sec filings, or at some confusing website regarding union dues, etc. All I've asked for is for someone directly involved with the union to speak up on this matter. Seems to me that they would be anxious to help all of us understand exactly what they are up against, in terms of what they make, versus what they are asking for.

Now, the only reason I believe that no one will respond is because they have something to hide about this issue. I won't apologize for having a brain and an opinion on this matter. You THINK that only people who agree with you deserve fair time. And YOU call that freedom. Last I checked, that was akin to communism my friend.

Why isn't anyone here curious to know where in excess of 6 MILLION DOLLARS a year, given to the various unions by its members, has gone over the last several years? I guess the cms money being flushed down the toilet for the union isn't important eh?

 

[SpaceRacer2003]

Oh get over yourself... if you'd like we can take a moment and all bow to you for being smart (didnt Homer Simpson sing the Smart song once...).

Since you no longer care to see others opinions, I suggest you no longer share yours with us, as we no longer care to read your repeative posts over and over again... hows that for free speach.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Then don't come to this particular thread, if you don't care to read my posts. Something sure keeps you coming back though.

BTW:

Just your acknowledging my intelligence is thanks enough.

 

[wdwmagic]

Take it easy guys. If the thread gets out of hand it will be closed. Thanks.

 

[SpaceRacer2003]

Two can play this game, what I said to you was nothing more then you said to Dave.

And as for being smart, if you can't find the sarcasim in the post you may be giving yourself to much credit.

And I agree this thread has outlived its need, maybe it should be locked.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

That's it Space, take your ball and run home. "lock this thread" since there's a few people on it who don't agree with us. You call that free speech do ya?


I for one welcome a challenge when it's presented to me. So let's get back to the topic of the thread.

How's the leaflet campaign working out? (and I'm asking this in all seriousness) Are people actually walking into the parks asking what's going on with the leaflets, what's this union thing all about?

 

[jcraycraft]

Take it easy guys. If the thread gets out of hand it will be closed. Thanks.

Steve

I am sorry that this has gone this way. As the original poster for this thread I feel some responsibility here. When new “news” develops should I post here or is it ok to post in News and Rumors? I guess since you moved it here .... here is where you want it :lol:
I just want to check and see.

Once again, I am sorry that you had to get dragged in on this.

Jeff

 

[PhotoDave219]

Not your fault Jeff, Not Your Fault....

 

[se8472]

yea, some of us need to take a chill pill...

 

[HennieBogan1966]

If I might say

I'd like to say for my part that if I offended anyone with my comments, then I apologize for that. I am very passionate about my views, and feel as though I have been attacked for those views, simply because they differ from the majority here. No ill will was intended with my comments other than to voice my opinions and thoughts on the subject.

I consider this case closed, and will move on to another thread.

I appreciate the opportunity to have voiced my views and opinions on this open forum, and hope that those who have contributed, whether you agree or disagree with my views, feel the same way.

 

[thedisneyfan]

You also said that the cms are looking at making less money next year than they made this year. Answer me this. If that's the case, how good could union be for their members? I thought their JOB was to negotiate on behalf of the union members a BETTER CONTRACT?

I'm trying to understand how you can say on the one hand they NEED the union to be better off, then on the other hand that they're looking at making less next year?

And for this they have to pay union dues? Something smells fishy here.

Anyone????

The point if read carefully, was that with the Disney offer of having the CMs paying a much greater portion of the health care costs along with a pitiful raise would mean that the CMs WOULD take home less pay than what they are currently making. The union represents the CMs ability to prevent this. Without the union what power would the individual have against a multi-billion dollar corporation? For that matter, how easy and cost effective would it be for Disney to negotiate 55,000 individual contracts, salaries, and benefits? That would be great economics!

 

[Hakunamatata]

The point if read carefully, was that with the Disney offer of having the CMs paying a much greater portion of the health care costs along with a pitiful raise would mean that the CMs WOULD take home less pay than what they are currently making. The union represents the CMs ability to prevent this. Without the union what power would the individual have against a multi-billion dollar corporation? For that matter, how easy and cost effective would it be for Disney to negotiate 55,000 individual contracts, salaries, and benefits? That would be great economics!

It would work just like every other corporation that is not unionized. Once a year, each employee would receive a recap of performance and based on merit a raise would be given, if deserved.

Where in the whole scheme of things does it say that corporations have a duty to give raises. I think raises are given in order to reward performance. Just because health care costs keep going up does not mean businesses should be required to cover the whole cost. Its nice and I would not like to have to pay more either, but remember, health care coverage is a benefite, not an entitlement. Just because the cost of gas goes up does not mean that a corporation has to give a raise.

You know, people wonder why outsourcing is such a problem.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Drifting towards outsourcing

You know, people wonder why outsourcing is such a problem.

Funny you should mention this....

True Story. A Major Company that Will Remain Nameless (That May or May Not Have to do with Student Loans and May or May Not Be Based out of Reston, VA) decided to do some outsourcing. Fired most of its IT programmers and some of its software testers. Decided to move the entire operation to India.

Six months into the project, the Indian programmers were turning out crap. The software was buggy as hell. The project testers would generally identify the problems and get back to the Indians, who didnt have a clue as to what the tsters were saying. This goes back and forth for a few months. The company, realising that theyre beyond behind on the project, discreetly starts trying to find or rehire programmers locally to fix the software.

So..... Company, in effort to save money, fired lots of people. Found out that the people overseas couldnt do it and had to spend even more money to rehire the original people. So if they had just kept the workers in the first place, they'd have saved money.