Discovery Island - Worth it?

KevinFlynn

New Member
Veering slightly off the topic--

Does anyone think that it could ever be financially and operationally feasible for Disney to put Discovery Island to use again?

I don't think so.

I've heard ideas of putting a resort out there, or some sort of interactive Pirate/Myst/Lost-type attraction.

But for any of those things to happen, the island would first need MAJOR infrastructure work.

When DI was first developed, it was basically flat, with a low level of palmetto brush. In other words, it was a fairly perfect "blank slate" on which to build.

Thats not the case anymore. Before building anything new, Disney would need to clear out the "jungle" that has formed there. They would also need to get rid of all of the decaying buildings and infrastructure.

That would be an expensive proposition on a regular piece of property. But this one is on an island. So every piece of construction equipment and worker would have to be transported by boat. And every dead tree limb and scrap metal and construction debris would have to be shipped back, and then unloaded and transported to another dump site. That is a huge extra expense.

Then there's the question of utilities. Was DI's restrooms connected to a sewer system, or was it septic? Either way, it seems like those have probably been allowed to crumble, which means costly repairs or an even costlier rebuild. And maybe the plumbing was OK for a few hundred day guests, but would it be adequate for something like a resort, that would have constantly flushing toilets and running water?

Another consideration is accessibility during emergencies. Paramedics are often running into the land-based resorts to treat people with heart attacks, strokes, heat exhaustion, or other medical emergencies. Would Disney feel comfortable putting a resort out there that would require emergency crews to travel by boat?

Factoring in all of these variables, it just does not seem cost-efficient and operationally-efficient to re-use Discovery Island.

I'm really glad someone else can look at the whole Discovery Island thing with a level, rational head.

There's just nothing that is feasible/practical to do with it.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Veering slightly off the topic--

Does anyone think that it could ever be financially and operationally feasible for Disney to put Discovery Island to use again?

I don't think so.

I've heard ideas of putting a resort out there, or some sort of interactive Pirate/Myst/Lost-type attraction.

But for any of those things to happen, the island would first need MAJOR infrastructure work.

When DI was first developed, it was basically flat, with a low level of palmetto brush. In other words, it was a fairly perfect "blank slate" on which to build.

Thats not the case anymore. Before building anything new, Disney would need to clear out the "jungle" that has formed there. They would also need to get rid of all of the decaying buildings and infrastructure.

That would be an expensive proposition on a regular piece of property. But this one is on an island. So every piece of construction equipment and worker would have to be transported by boat. And every dead tree limb and scrap metal and construction debris would have to be shipped back, and then unloaded and transported to another dump site. That is a huge extra expense.

Then there's the question of utilities. Was DI's restrooms connected to a sewer system, or was it septic? Either way, it seems like those have probably been allowed to crumble, which means costly repairs or an even costlier rebuild. And maybe the plumbing was OK for a few hundred day guests, but would it be adequate for something like a resort, that would have constantly flushing toilets and running water?

Another consideration is accessibility during emergencies. Paramedics are often running into the land-based resorts to treat people with heart attacks, strokes, heat exhaustion, or other medical emergencies. Would Disney feel comfortable putting a resort out there that would require emergency crews to travel by boat?

Factoring in all of these variables, it just does not seem cost-efficient and operationally-efficient to re-use Discovery Island.
It is not. With all of the undeveloped land that Disney has in WDW the only reason to build on DI would be for the cool factor and Disney just does not do that anymore.
 

Bigart

Active Member
Exactly. We are talking emotion vs. practicality. Cost would be too high for return on investment, no matter what the idea. Plus the logistical problems as mentioned. The money is going into other projects.
 

kingslyZISSOU

New Member
there's only one possible explanation for the secrecy, active lights, and snakes in jars...




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figment1988

Member
nice photos, but it's best to never pull a stunt in the caliber of "borderline idiotic" and "idiocy meter is OVER 9000!!". for one, you might get busted, and should you be one of the unlucky ones to be face to face with one of those gators and not live to blog about it, don't be surprised if you end up getting your posthumous 15 minutes of shame on a show like 1000 Ways to Die.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
Over on his blog, a bunch of people were commenting on it and were criticizing him for doing it. Here was his response and reasoning in doing it:

"Sorry to disappoint, but the statute of limitations has already run out on this so nobody will be "coming after me". The risks were really not much more dangerous than swimming in any other FL lake. Alligators aren't all that aggressive, and I'm a very strong swimmer and have been a NAUI certified advanced open water diver since I was 19. We also had dry bags for camera gear that doubled as floatation devices. The swim was no more dangerous than someone going skiing, surfing, mountain biking, paragliding or any other socially acceptable outdoor activity. Sure we might have been caught and likely escorted off Disney property or maybe gotten some sort of trespass charge, but that would be the price paid for a unique and genuine experience. We didn't hurt anyone or anything and only put our own well being at risk. In the unlikely event that I were hurt or killed, my family would not pursue any legal action as they know of my hobby and are aware of my wishes to maintain personal accountability. What I choose to do with my body has nothing to do with Disney being negligent. I just choose to take a bit more risk than most people and end up both paying the price for it and reaping the rewards of a rich life full of exciting and genuine experinces that are so rare in the litigious, handrail, child safe, warning label on hot coffee, prepackaged theme park, lowest common denominator entertainment filled world most of us live in."
 

BadTigger

Active Member
A couple things, the last time we rented boats we were not told NOT to go on the island, second if you were to dock on the island and there were no "No Trespassing" signs then Disney has no such reason to have you arrested. We had gotten pretty close(close enough that if we got closer the boat would have run aground) the last time without an issue. Granted if they see you docking they will hunt you down and tell you to move.

I say go for it, worst case you play dumb if they stop you. I still don't know why they haven't turned it into a Lost theme attraction anyway, it's one WDW's treasures, stinks they shut it down.
 
Over on his blog, a bunch of people were commenting on it and were criticizing him for doing it. Here was his response and reasoning in doing it:

"Sorry to disappoint, but the statute of limitations has already run out on this so nobody will be "coming after me". The risks were really not much more dangerous than swimming in any other FL lake. Alligators aren't all that aggressive, and I'm a very strong swimmer and have been a NAUI certified advanced open water diver since I was 19. We also had dry bags for camera gear that doubled as floatation devices. The swim was no more dangerous than someone going skiing, surfing, mountain biking, paragliding or any other socially acceptable outdoor activity. Sure we might have been caught and likely escorted off Disney property or maybe gotten some sort of trespass charge, but that would be the price paid for a unique and genuine experience. We didn't hurt anyone or anything and only put our own well being at risk. In the unlikely event that I were hurt or killed, my family would not pursue any legal action as they know of my hobby and are aware of my wishes to maintain personal accountability. What I choose to do with my body has nothing to do with Disney being negligent. I just choose to take a bit more risk than most people and end up both paying the price for it and reaping the rewards of a rich life full of exciting and genuine experinces that are so rare in the litigious, handrail, child safe, warning label on hot coffee, prepackaged theme park, lowest common denominator entertainment filled world most of us live in."

Wow, I seriously wish I had the gulls to do what this man does. There are so many things in life that sound amazing but I will never have the courage to do them. I'll take some risks such as sky diving one day or doing a real African wildlife tour, but other then that, I'm dead scared to try anything else.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
Here's a new blog post from Shane Perez on the subject:

"As of a few days ago, it seems a post I made on this blog back in December is getting a bit of attention from the local Orlando media. As such if you are reading this, you are probably someone that caught this on the evening news or maybe from one of the WDW forums that seem to be creating alot of the hype about it. I've been getting quite a few emails and alot of comments from people ranging from "Thanks so much for doing this, I've always wanted to see it!" to "You guys are idiots and God will sort you out" and I feel like I should speak a bit about motivations and intentions.

While I do enjoy things like big Hollywood movies, theme parks, roller coasters, haunted houses, and other similar attractions, they have always felt a bit hollow. You know there is always going to be a happy ending. The CGI dinosaurs aren't gonna really eat the kids, the hero is going to save the day, and nobody is going to get hurt. That sense of knowing that it's artificial has always put a bit of a damper on those forms of entertainment for me. I started seeking out other ways of having real experiences on my own back in high school and that is what eventually led me to recreational trespassing. I didn't have the means to go out and participate in adventures like climbing mountains or hardcore cave diving, so I did the next best thing, exploring decayed and neglected man-made structures. I got to rediscover places that had been forgotten by others as well as challenge myself in ways that I never had before. It made me see the world in a different way and I don't think I could go back to seeing it the way I did before. It gave me confidence, motivation, and satisfied my natural human curiosity.

How many people are killed each year in auto accidents? How about heart disease from eating terrible unhealthy food? Cancer? These are all things that kill ridiculously huge amounts of people each year, but nobody gives you a lecture about how irresponsible you are when you order a Double Quarter Pounder at McDonalds or get in your SUV to head to work. I could just as easily drown in a lake or fall off of a bridge as I could slip in the tub or get hit by a bus crossing a street. Yet many people still feel the need to tell me what risks I should or should not take with my own life. Alot of this seems to come from the relatively recent trend of people filing lawsuits for every dumb thing that they can't take responsibility for like spilling obviously hot coffee on their laps. It really is pretty ridiculous and suing someone is something I would never consider if I were ever injured in the course of recreational trespassing. I am the only person truly responsible for my own well-being and it would be a much better world if everyone felt the same way.

So why do I go to the places I go and do the things I do? Because they are there and because they are beautiful. I am afraid, not of getting hurt or killed, but of missing out on an opportunity to live my life to it's fullest potential. I have no regrets for the things I have done, my only regrets are for the things I didn't have the courage to do when given the opportunity."


"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. " -Helen Keller
 

RiversideBunny

New Member
Many like the thrill of danger.
That's the underlying theme in the movie 'The Hurt Locker'.

BTW- in one of the articles it mentioned that the lights were on in a building on Discovery Island. Why would the lights be on?

:)
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
"Sorry to disappoint, but the statute of limitations has already run out on this so nobody will be "coming after me".QUOTE]

Theres no statute of limitations on a private property owner issuing a tresspass order and banning them from property forever either. I hope it was worth it. Stupid, stupid...
 

RobGraves

New Member
They haven't used that particular logo/label style for many, many years now. When I look up Diet Coke labels, I seem to see that one consistent with the time in which Discovery Island was closed.

That said, it is a somewhat bizarre collection. I wonder what the purpose of these was?


but they didnt start using the contour shape on 2L's till 2008
 

mastif

New Member
"Sorry to disappoint, but the statute of limitations has already run out on this so nobody will be "coming after me".QUOTE]

Theres no statute of limitations on a private property owner issuing a tresspass order and banning them from property forever either. I hope it was worth it. Stupid, stupid...


first they would have to know who he is to ban them from the property. You must not have read what he wrote. He was aware of the risks, and is willing to be responsible for his actions. Hope it was worth it? he didn't get caught, and nothing bad happened so i'm sure it was worth it for him. He's obviously aware of the consequences...

and be banned from disney world? seriously? would it really be all that hard to come back in a week with a hat and sunglasses on? The place is huge I don't really see how someone can truly be banned from DW and NEVER be able to come back.. unless under serious circumstances.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
"Sorry to disappoint, but the statute of limitations has already run out on this so nobody will be "coming after me".

Theres no statute of limitations on a private property owner issuing a tresspass order and banning them from property forever either. I hope it was worth it. Stupid, stupid...
I think his point was that Disney can't bring legal charges against him now. He doesn't seem too concerned about being banned from Disney property.
 

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