Disappointed in Disney World

[Jim L Clifton]

I noticed the same about CM'S...then I did a little research...you would be surprised how little they make.Screw up on little things & it can mean termination!The apts CM'S live in are owned by Disney & rent is taken out of their pay & doesn't leave much $$!I heard a couple talking UNION business.Never thought of CM'S as being unhappy,figured they work at Disney....HOW BAD CAN IT BE.
Jim

 

[Animaniac93-98]

How did I make you feel awful just now? By asking a few questions?

It's the repetitive tone that implies a put down because you didn't think we did all the vague questions you asked.

That's my point. A responsible consumer takes their money elsewhere when they are unhappy with a product.

Myself, the OP and others have explained how they did that. I'm sorry you can't understand how and why.

So anonimity replaces manners? Mature.

Your pomposity makes you better? Thank you for reminding me your majesty.

Yes, all of this online complaining really seems to be affecting timetables and decisions at TDO...

Shame their not considering the Fantasyland expansion.

Yet you keep going to a place with an abudance of flaws.

Not everything is flawed, again I don't do the things I like. Nothing new at AK? Skip it. Not worth trying to get a table in the castle? Go to Norway instead.

So they should just "know" that you are unhappy? They should search you out? Especially when there are 3 more people waiting to take your place? Think about the logic of that for a second.

No, but as someone already posted these threads keep popping up. If they truly read these boards ignoring a thread like this would be an incredible waste of their time.

There is a difference between right to complain and the effectiveness of a complaint.

Just like there is a diffrerence between right to aruge and the effectiveness of an argument. You said before you have issues with WDW and are not an apologist and yet you can't stop going either. Think about that for a second (and really what kind fo a rebuttal is that?).

The most effective way to complain is to take your money elsewhere and let the offending company know what made you choose a competitor. It's not my hang up that many of the loudest and most negative complainers around here can't seem to do that.

I had no idea the competition had The Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror and Spaceship Earth, the Contemporary Resort, Jiko, etc.

It's not my fault you can't comprehend why or how someone can complain and avoid certain things at WDW and still do the things he or she likes. Last time I check the entire property was not a singe gate area.

And what of those individuals who are not "the loudest and most negative" here who still complain (or do so on Micechat, allearsnet, and so forth)? They don't deserve to be taken seriously either because people still go to WDW?

The point is the same complaints keep popping up but nobody deserves to be listened too? Your petty issues with me personally are charming, but why not talk/listen to the OP instead? Or someone else?

Don't you have better things to do than pick fights with me?

 

[trendicoff]

I noticed the same about CM'S...then I did a little research...you would be surprised how little they make.Screw up on little things & it can mean termination!The apts CM'S live in are owned by Disney & rent is taken out of their pay & doesn't leave much $$!I heard a couple talking UNION business.Never thought of CM'S as being unhappy,figured they work at Disney....HOW BAD CAN IT BE.
Jim

I think you may mean CPs, we CMs have the right to live wherever we want and it's true the pay is low, but the benefits are pretty comprehensive.

 

[Jim L Clifton]

T,
Sorry!
JIM

 

[The Empress Lilly]

In my last two trips, I am hard-pressed to come up with an item I purchased, not even a t-shirt.

Two weeks ago, I left the parks with money burning in my pocket. I just couldn't find anything worthwhile to spend it on.

So odd. Considering Disney's 'Wal-Martification' of the parks. Those retail professionals reduced the fun of shopping at Disney. There's nothing to see, nothing to buy. I always used to leave heavily overspending on stuff for around my house and little trinkets and things. Nowadays, I just can't seem to get rid of my money.


I suppose the profit from merchandise differs from my personal anecdotal evidence.

 

[GrannyJill2]

I notice that the more trips I take to WDW, the more critical I become. I inevitably compare my most recent trip to my last trip and so on.

The Disney organization is certainly cutting back on a lot of things, but it's the way of the world now. Employees are being asked to do more for less money, and vacationers are demanding more bang for their hard-earned bucks.

I can certainly sympathize with your complaints. The very things that make Disney unique are the things they are cutting back. Too bad. I hope the situation reverses itself sometime soon.

 

[jakeman]

It's the repetitive tone that implies a put down because you didn't think we did all the vague questions you asked.

Vague? How is "write a letter to Guest Relations" vague? That's like claiming the "On" button on a coffee maker is vague.

Myself, the OP and others have explained how they did that. I'm sorry you can't understand how and why.

The OP requested the address after they had originally posted.

Your pomposity makes you better? Thank you for reminding me your majesty.

Awesome, personal insults.

Shame their not considering the Fantasyland expansion.

So you think the fans are responsible for that? Are they also responsible for the budget being slashed?

No, but as someone already posted these threads keep popping up. If they truly read these boards ignoring a thread like this would be an incredible waste of their time.

If they truly read these boards it is probably for a laugh at the presumptiveness of the common fan. While there are post like these that do detail a problem, take a look at this forum right now, this is the only thread with a complaint in the title.

Just like there is a diffrerence between right to aruge and the effectiveness of an argument. You said before you have issues with WDW and are not an apologist and yet you can't stop going either. Think about that for a second (and really what kind fo a rebuttal is that?).

I'm not an apologist, and yes I see problems. However, as my postings probably reflect, I don't care. WDW is a resort and I while I have an extremely good time while I'm there, and look forward to going back, it would be no great loss in my life if I never return. I'm not sure other posters here can say the same.

I had no idea the competition had The Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror and Spaceship Earth, the Contemporary Resort, Jiko, etc.

It's not my fault you can't comprehend why or how someone can complain and avoid certain things at WDW and still do the things he or she likes. Last time I check the entire property was not a singe gate area.

No, but guest spending can be seen that way and that's what's important. Not partaking in the whole experience is makes much more of an impact than picking and choosing and then coming here and complaining about things.

And what of those individuals who are not "the loudest and most negative" here who still complain (or do so on Micechat, allearsnet, and so forth)? They don't deserve to be taken seriously either because people still go to WDW?

I don't even understand your point here. While the OP's complaint is valid to them, it is also bolstered by the same handful of posters that rally around every negative thing here.

The point is the same complaints keep popping up but nobody deserves to be listened too?

Where have I ever said that no one deserve to be listened to? I'm just pointing out more effective ways to get your point across than a tiny corner of the internet.

Your petty issues with me personally are charming, but why not talk/listen to the OP instead? Or someone else?

Don't you have better things to do than pick fights with me?

I need to check the thread real quick...

Yep, I didn't address or quote you in my original post. I also responded to both you and SirGoofy at the same time. Either my stalkering is so subtle I'm not even picking it up or you have a case of the big head.

I done with this conversation and your attacking me.

 

[corey154]

I agree about the dining; some of the restaurants really need to have that guy from Hell's Kitchen come and whip them into shape (cough-TheCoralReef-cough)

I love your idea!!

I have to agree. I've been going to Disney my whole life and I see areas they are going down in. I still love Disney and spend plenty of my money there every year but I do see where they weren't as great as they used to be. I think dining is one of the biggest areas they need work on and I think alot of it stems from free dining, unlesss you're staying on disney property it's hard to get into dining these days! it creates so much demand that it's hard to keep up with the supply.

 

[GrannyJill2]

Two weeks ago, I left the parks with money burning in my pocket. I just couldn't find anything worthwhile to spend it on.

So odd. Considering Disney's 'Wal-Martification' of the parks. Those retail professionals reduced the fun of shopping at Disney. There's nothing to see, nothing to buy. I always used to leave heavily overspending on stuff for around my house and little trinkets and things. Nowadays, I just can't seem to get rid of my money.


I suppose the profit from merchandise differs from my personal anecdotal evidence.

Wow! I agree with you and I love the word "Wal-Martification". I actually have money now that my child is grown, but nothing to buy with it. My trips to WDW have always guaranteed me several unique souvenirs. Last trip, I bought NOTHING. Not the kind of thing Disney wants us to do.

 

[blackthidot]

Vague? How is "write a letter to Guest Relations" vague? That's like claiming the "On" button on a coffee maker is vague.

The OP requested the address after they had originally posted.

Awesome, personal insults.

So you think the fans are responsible for that? Are they also responsible for the budget being slashed?

If they truly read these boards it is probably for a laugh at the presumptiveness of the common fan. While there are post like these that do detail a problem, take a look at this forum right now, this is the only thread with a complaint in the title.

I'm not an apologist, and yes I see problems. However, as my postings probably reflect, I don't care. WDW is a resort and I while I have an extremely good time while I'm there, and look forward to going back, it would be no great loss in my life if I never return. I'm not sure other posters here can say the same.

No, but guest spending can be seen that way and that's what's important. Not partaking in the whole experience is makes much more of an impact than picking and choosing and then coming here and complaining about things.

I don't even understand your point here. While the OP's complaint is valid to them, it is also bolstered by the same handful of posters that rally around every negative thing here.

Where have I ever said that no one deserve to be listened to? I'm just pointing out more effective ways to get your point across than a tiny corner of the internet.

I need to check the thread real quick...

Yep, I didn't address or quote you in my original post. I also responded to both you and SirGoofy at the same time. Either my stalkering is so subtle I'm not even picking it up or you have a case of the big head.

I done with this conversation and your attacking me.

Swish!

 

[SirGoofy]

Only if you were in the bushes by his house! :lol:

I haven't been able to find his address yet...:lookaroun

But seriously I've been dying to get a face to face with the guy. I'd love to have a conversation with him about the parks. I know it'll probably never happen, but I'm hoping my possible internship will give me a chance at that.

And you wouldn't believe how many guys in WDI share a lot of these concerns with us.:zipit:

 

[jakeman]

I haven't been able to find his address yet...:lookaroun

But seriously I've been dying to get a face to face with the guy. I'd love to have a conversation with him about the parks. I know it'll probably never happen, but I'm hoping my possible internship will give me a chance at that.

And you wouldn't believe how many guys in WDI share a lot of these concerns with us.:zipit:

Good luck on the internship!

 

[SirGoofy]

Good luck on the internship!

Why thank you. If it happens, everyone here will be one of the first to know.:lol:

 

[WDW Vacationer]

Why thank you. If it happens, everyone here will be one of the first to know.:lol:

Good Luck!:wave:

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Awesome, personal insults.

I'm glad you liked it, your ending a sentence with the word "mature" was quite flattering.

So you think the fans are responsible for that? Are they also responsible for the budget being slashed?

Every little bit helps and considering the eager anticipation Potterland has recived here along with complaints regarding food options I'm sure it's an easy and cheap way to listen to public opiion by going to boards like this. Did the fans alone do this? But you don't really have any proof to say they didn't help push the project.

If they truly read these boards it is probably for a laugh at the presumptiveness of the common fan. While there are post like these that do detail a problem, take a look at this forum right now, this is the only thread with a complaint in the title.

I suggest looking at this board more often. "Less magical" sometimes is a substitute for "disappointing".

I'm not an apologist, and yes I see problems. However, as my postings probably reflect, I don't care. WDW is a resort and I while I have an extremely good time while I'm there, and look forward to going back, it would be no great loss in my life if I never return. I'm not sure other posters here can say the same.

BIG talk for someone who has clearly never done such a thing. Try not going for 5-10, hell 20 years then making that claim. "No great loss" despite having "an extremely good time...and looking forward to going back"? Your daily posts on a fan site also suggest you probably couldn't.

No, but guest spending can be seen that way and that's what's important. Not partaking in the whole experience is makes much more of an impact than picking and choosing and then coming here and complaining about things.

But do you honestly expect any fan (who by definition enjoys the experience) do not visit at all? Plus, judging by the current sales on merchandise alone and the creation of DDP and DME not talking part in the whole experience concerns Disney very much. Potterland does to as any day taken away from Disney means money removed from them.

I don't even understand your point here. While the OP's complaint is valid to them, it is also bolstered by the same handful of posters that rally around every negative thing here.

Conundrum hasn't posted here yet. I do see people here who are not on JT's D&G list.

Where have I ever said that no one deserve to be listened to? I'm just pointing out more effective ways to get your point across than a tiny corner of the internet.[/quoet]

How do you know there more effective? Because someone gives you a polite but passive reply? Last time I checked the only time a letter writting campaign did something to Disney was the release of The Black Cauldron on VHS and that was before the internet became so mainstream and that's because it showed a way for Disney to get money. Complaining about food to them because it conflicts with thier plan to force you to buy it won't get attention.

I need to check the thread real quick...

Yep, I didn't address or quote you in my original post. I also responded to both you and SirGoofy at the same time. Either my stalkering is so subtle I'm not even picking it up or you have a case of the big head.

Only because he directly quoted you, besides him who else have you cared to quote?

I done with this conversation and your attacking me.

Probably not, you'll reply to this.

I'll be selling popcorn at the door.

 

[jakeman]

Why thank you. If it happens, everyone here will be one of the first to know.:lol:

Can you share what department? Or would that narrow it down too much for you anonimity?

 

[SirGoofy]

Can you share what department? Or would that narrow it down too much for you anonimity?

Engineerig:wave:

 

[gettingsmaller]

Am I remembering incorrectly, or have many CMs been outsourced? If you ask me, there is a tremendous difference from a Cm perspective between being a "real employee" and being an outside contractor who happens to work within the Mouse's walls...

Maybe I am wrong about that being the case... just thought I had read it somewhere...

Don't know about trash and maintenance in general, but I think from a merchandise and food perspective, Disney is pushing their luck. On paper, it may look great to sell the same merchandise or to serve the same generic food at 27 different places on property, but it DOES begin to impact customer experience at some point. Personally, I'd rather have a repeat customer who gives me my 20% margin time and time again than to have a one-time, unimpressed customer who gives me a 35% margin ONE time. I think this is the risk Disney is taking. At some point, guests won't repeat. They won't buy the dining plan (or the food), they will stay offsite, they will buy 1 thing to take home instead of 5, they will visit 4 days instead of 8, they won't come back at all...

 

[WishIwasThere]

OP - Put on your flame suit. I dared insult some of the Mighty Mouse as of late, and I'm still recovering in intensive care from the 3rd degree burns.

That's because you started multiple threads slamming the same things. Gets a little redundant if you read through the threads. If you put out one or two it wouldn't be so bad.

 

[WishIwasThere]

Great article from the Sentinel.

I can't believe I just said that.

My thoughts exactly.