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DINOSAUR Problems
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dave2822
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Fog or no fog, I probably would never have realized the difference in the attraction if I didn't read this thread. Dinosaur is a great attraction, and whether I'm being pelted with fog as I go back 65 million years or not, I'd have just as good of a time on it. Maybe that's just me.
JMagicFink said:
In the ascent tunnel (where the plasma warning screens are now) - the overhead stars used to flicker and the tunnel was filled with smoke - the effect was so clever, it thined out in time to catch the lightning flashes before the dawn of time. I believe it was deactivated in the Irons rehab of `94.
Testtrack321
Well-Known Member
Fog, while nice, isn't bad. The two things that ________ me off are the doors that are broken and the preshow.
t3techcom18
Well-Known Member
I agree with all of you: Let the fog come back!! I love fog, it can especially be done very well into certain illusions in show pieces. But besides that, I for one agree with the veterans of the ride, and I like Countdown to Extinction a lot more than how it is now.
I, for one, personally think that the whole experience needs to be upgraded. The actual ride per ce, is good, but one, they need to fix some good effects they had in the past, and also improve current ones that are outdated and then also the mechanical parts of it and the storyline needs to be fixed. For me, I think that the building itself, would bring peoples attention to think that it's something small and not big, or of big importance, because the last time I went there, I went there with a Disney-first timer, and he looked at the building and was like, a thrill ride is in THAT building?!? The building doesn't capture people's attention, and when you look at the building, lots of times you think nothing or something small is in there. Like, for example, you can look at MS, and see the whole planets, the music, the lighting, etc., and it makes you think, "Hey, something's big there", and even right next door, Tes TRack, people have one look at it, and see that it's a fun ride, by looking at the theming, and also gain interest into why there is a giant loop outside the building, and they even get more curious when they hear the cars going by.
In Dinosaur though, you only see a small building, and some sculptures of dinosaurs and that's it. I think they should upsize the building, and also do big orchestral themes, and also like posters as it had in the beginning, as I remembered before the transition to Dinosaur, there were signs in the outside saying "The Dino Institue is having a soft opening, and wants you to come in, etc." I think they should do that, and also get people interested things from the outside, like, since the time travel obviously needs power, build like a a fake but looking real transformer grid outside, and to set a thing of interest, right before you bend the corner to see the building, you could put a wrecked time rover, flipped upside down, giving off smoke, and you hear dinosaur roars in the background, and there is a ginat gaping hole that has been chewed on in the transformer grid metal fence. Going in the queue, to introduce the story and all in how the queue is right now, it's chopped up, and the first time visitor will be like, "Huh? What do they mean by that?" I think, with the upsizing of the whole queue, they should do like when you enter, give you an overview of the dinosaurs, the prehistoric history, you see some dinosaur fossils, what contributions the Insitutue has made to the field of palentology through little videos in the wall, and then when you take some stairs to go upstairs, you go past some executive offices, and you hear a radio that is of a guy trying to search for some people who have left the institute searching for the dinosaur and the missing guy outside. Then, on ceiling, you see some overhead monitors as see some security camaras showing places like the transformer grid outside, the loading bay, and several other places inside the Insitute. You go further down the hallway, and you see a round room (like where the Carnotaur skeleton is right now) but having a a Time Rover in the middle, with little videos on how they invented, and then also, you get a glimpse by looking at the outer walls, and you see some of the real Time Rovers passing by the loading station.
Up above on overhead screens and also screens on the sound without sound having readouts on the Time Rovers themselves, how the fuel is doing, the time travel equipment readouts, similar to what you see in the circular hallway in MS, when you see the screen with the readouts, and also, for a vehicular comparison like this, another example is the new Batman Begins screensaver that just went out a few days ago (and is really cool btw). In that circular room, you hear the radio up above in the speakers in the ceiling.
Then, from there, you would go into the preshow as it would be right now, but the preshow has been updated, with new people and characters, and the storyline has been changed: Instead of going back in the past to search for dinosaurs, you are going back because another group is stuck there and needs help, as there has been no word on them for a for three days now. Also, the theming shoudl continue in this room, like having some of the museum's past exhibitions, and also some awards they have gotten, and also some other corporations that have been helped in the past (and to make jokes, like you can put ITC (International T-something Corporation form the movie Timeline, InGEN from Jurassic Park, Cyberdyne Systems and Cyber Research Systems from the Terminator movies, or even, as a little homage, add X-s Tech in the mix
) From there, you are lead into a giant industrial feel, you go through some rooms with dozens of pipes and power generators and coolant tanks and other pipes and electrical wires, and you see klaxons and red and yellow lights going off everywhere, and even some smoke from the fuel intakes is spilling out. Then, after spending some time in the hallways, you get to see the mechanics and machines you see that are fixing the other Time Rovers. You go down, and it's basically the same area as right now, and you hear radio traffic of the control operators saying like, "TR-7, you are clear for entry," and then you'll get the occasional klaxon with that has the sound saying, "Attention: Fuel tank pressure nearing critical," and it then it goes all loud, and says, "Attention: Fuel pressure tank at critical levels. Release in 5...4..3..2..1.." And then the hallways fill with smoke as air is taking out of the tanks to relieve the pressure.
When you go the stairs, you mostly see the same thing like it is now, minus the blue metal frame that says Time Rover Dispatch Area, and replace with a cooler sign, and also minus the banners from the Institute on the side. Mostly, the whole loading platform remains the same, the colors remain the same, and the ride itself nearly remains the same, except for some scenes in which you go under some trees and you find the car up above you hanging form the vines of the trees, and nearly falls on you. Also, after you encounter the flying Pteradactyl that doesn't move now, you go down as you do now, but you go into a ridge, and go over some water, and avoid some prehistoric crocodiles and then in the car, you see some little screens of the car, like the speed, a sonar, a radar, like the screens on Test Track. The hot breath of the Carnotaur will return by using the same thing on AE, but not the headrests: some big sized air ticklers, and that should do it. Also, for the final scene, you would pick up the people stranded in the past, and when you go around the ride as well, you see some skeletons, telling you some people didn't make it. Lastly, also in the final scene with the carnotaur head going down on you, I think they should replace it with a giant scene with the last of the dinosaurs, and the meteor shower is coming, the whole meteors rock the Time Rover, and finally, when the Carnotaur's head goes down, a giant meteor comes along, and decides to hit you, and when it does, it's when they transport you back, but not without experiencing a singluar really bright white light, as you drop in the midst of the light and feeling the heat of the the meteor, and everything goes dark after that when you're falling, and you finally get back to the whole Insitute. So, all in all, I think they should get some of the AA's upgraded, top quality skins, as I noticed the last tiem I cam,e when the carnotaur's body moved the skin jiggled everywhere like Jell-O, and also make it bumpier and faster.
So, that's all of my opinon on this, and any suggestions or explanations needed, I'll be glad to help. I'll put up the pics of what the queue and the readouts should look like in a seperate post a bit later. Hope you guys liked it!! :wave: 
I, for one, personally think that the whole experience needs to be upgraded. The actual ride per ce, is good, but one, they need to fix some good effects they had in the past, and also improve current ones that are outdated and then also the mechanical parts of it and the storyline needs to be fixed. For me, I think that the building itself, would bring peoples attention to think that it's something small and not big, or of big importance, because the last time I went there, I went there with a Disney-first timer, and he looked at the building and was like, a thrill ride is in THAT building?!? The building doesn't capture people's attention, and when you look at the building, lots of times you think nothing or something small is in there. Like, for example, you can look at MS, and see the whole planets, the music, the lighting, etc., and it makes you think, "Hey, something's big there", and even right next door, Tes TRack, people have one look at it, and see that it's a fun ride, by looking at the theming, and also gain interest into why there is a giant loop outside the building, and they even get more curious when they hear the cars going by.
In Dinosaur though, you only see a small building, and some sculptures of dinosaurs and that's it. I think they should upsize the building, and also do big orchestral themes, and also like posters as it had in the beginning, as I remembered before the transition to Dinosaur, there were signs in the outside saying "The Dino Institue is having a soft opening, and wants you to come in, etc." I think they should do that, and also get people interested things from the outside, like, since the time travel obviously needs power, build like a a fake but looking real transformer grid outside, and to set a thing of interest, right before you bend the corner to see the building, you could put a wrecked time rover, flipped upside down, giving off smoke, and you hear dinosaur roars in the background, and there is a ginat gaping hole that has been chewed on in the transformer grid metal fence. Going in the queue, to introduce the story and all in how the queue is right now, it's chopped up, and the first time visitor will be like, "Huh? What do they mean by that?" I think, with the upsizing of the whole queue, they should do like when you enter, give you an overview of the dinosaurs, the prehistoric history, you see some dinosaur fossils, what contributions the Insitutue has made to the field of palentology through little videos in the wall, and then when you take some stairs to go upstairs, you go past some executive offices, and you hear a radio that is of a guy trying to search for some people who have left the institute searching for the dinosaur and the missing guy outside. Then, on ceiling, you see some overhead monitors as see some security camaras showing places like the transformer grid outside, the loading bay, and several other places inside the Insitute. You go further down the hallway, and you see a round room (like where the Carnotaur skeleton is right now) but having a a Time Rover in the middle, with little videos on how they invented, and then also, you get a glimpse by looking at the outer walls, and you see some of the real Time Rovers passing by the loading station.
Up above on overhead screens and also screens on the sound without sound having readouts on the Time Rovers themselves, how the fuel is doing, the time travel equipment readouts, similar to what you see in the circular hallway in MS, when you see the screen with the readouts, and also, for a vehicular comparison like this, another example is the new Batman Begins screensaver that just went out a few days ago (and is really cool btw). In that circular room, you hear the radio up above in the speakers in the ceiling.
Then, from there, you would go into the preshow as it would be right now, but the preshow has been updated, with new people and characters, and the storyline has been changed: Instead of going back in the past to search for dinosaurs, you are going back because another group is stuck there and needs help, as there has been no word on them for a for three days now. Also, the theming shoudl continue in this room, like having some of the museum's past exhibitions, and also some awards they have gotten, and also some other corporations that have been helped in the past (and to make jokes, like you can put ITC (International T-something Corporation form the movie Timeline, InGEN from Jurassic Park, Cyberdyne Systems and Cyber Research Systems from the Terminator movies, or even, as a little homage, add X-s Tech in the mix
) From there, you are lead into a giant industrial feel, you go through some rooms with dozens of pipes and power generators and coolant tanks and other pipes and electrical wires, and you see klaxons and red and yellow lights going off everywhere, and even some smoke from the fuel intakes is spilling out. Then, after spending some time in the hallways, you get to see the mechanics and machines you see that are fixing the other Time Rovers. You go down, and it's basically the same area as right now, and you hear radio traffic of the control operators saying like, "TR-7, you are clear for entry," and then you'll get the occasional klaxon with that has the sound saying, "Attention: Fuel tank pressure nearing critical," and it then it goes all loud, and says, "Attention: Fuel pressure tank at critical levels. Release in 5...4..3..2..1.." And then the hallways fill with smoke as air is taking out of the tanks to relieve the pressure. When you go the stairs, you mostly see the same thing like it is now, minus the blue metal frame that says Time Rover Dispatch Area, and replace with a cooler sign, and also minus the banners from the Institute on the side. Mostly, the whole loading platform remains the same, the colors remain the same, and the ride itself nearly remains the same, except for some scenes in which you go under some trees and you find the car up above you hanging form the vines of the trees, and nearly falls on you. Also, after you encounter the flying Pteradactyl that doesn't move now, you go down as you do now, but you go into a ridge, and go over some water, and avoid some prehistoric crocodiles and then in the car, you see some little screens of the car, like the speed, a sonar, a radar, like the screens on Test Track. The hot breath of the Carnotaur will return by using the same thing on AE, but not the headrests: some big sized air ticklers, and that should do it. Also, for the final scene, you would pick up the people stranded in the past, and when you go around the ride as well, you see some skeletons, telling you some people didn't make it. Lastly, also in the final scene with the carnotaur head going down on you, I think they should replace it with a giant scene with the last of the dinosaurs, and the meteor shower is coming, the whole meteors rock the Time Rover, and finally, when the Carnotaur's head goes down, a giant meteor comes along, and decides to hit you, and when it does, it's when they transport you back, but not without experiencing a singluar really bright white light, as you drop in the midst of the light and feeling the heat of the the meteor, and everything goes dark after that when you're falling, and you finally get back to the whole Insitute. So, all in all, I think they should get some of the AA's upgraded, top quality skins, as I noticed the last tiem I cam,e when the carnotaur's body moved the skin jiggled everywhere like Jell-O, and also make it bumpier and faster.
So, that's all of my opinon on this, and any suggestions or explanations needed, I'll be glad to help. I'll put up the pics of what the queue and the readouts should look like in a seperate post a bit later. Hope you guys liked it!!
:wave:
t3techcom18
Well-Known Member
Examples of Some of the Changes
Here's the Batman Begins screensaver I was talking about that should be something like that there. The 1024x768 version should be in the circular hallway with the Time Rover in the center, while the 1280x1024 version should be the one in the cars.
http://www2.warnerbros.com/batmanbegins/flash/popscreensaver2.html
This is the pic of what the queue after the preshow should look like, this is from Terminator 3. Just look at the stuff in the background, not the people,
This is the one of how the new part of the queue should look like:
http://terminator3.com/popups/pop_i...s/conceptual/cGal1_p.jpg&width=600&height=436
This is the real version of how it should look like, including with the tank and the lights, and the whole version I was describing would be something like this:
http://terminator3.com/popups/pop_i...photography/TXreveal.jpg&width=600&height=401
That's it! Tell me if the links don't work. Thanks! :wave:
Here's the Batman Begins screensaver I was talking about that should be something like that there. The 1024x768 version should be in the circular hallway with the Time Rover in the center, while the 1280x1024 version should be the one in the cars.
http://www2.warnerbros.com/batmanbegins/flash/popscreensaver2.html
This is the pic of what the queue after the preshow should look like, this is from Terminator 3. Just look at the stuff in the background, not the people,
This is the one of how the new part of the queue should look like:
http://terminator3.com/popups/pop_i...s/conceptual/cGal1_p.jpg&width=600&height=436
This is the real version of how it should look like, including with the tank and the lights, and the whole version I was describing would be something like this:
http://terminator3.com/popups/pop_i...photography/TXreveal.jpg&width=600&height=401
That's it! Tell me if the links don't work. Thanks! :wave:
Craig & Lisa
Active Member
the last time I was on the attraction we came up to the part where the dino is swallowing the smaller one you could see part on the metal going into the mouth, looked really stupid, at the end of the ride I informed the CM about it he seemed to give me then idea that he already knew and nothing was going to be done about it, I guess it depends on where you are in WDW as to how much they'll get something done.
t3techcom18 said:
GOOD POINT!! I think the building itself USED to be more noticable and attractive to guests before "Dino-Rama" was thrown into the mix. Because of Dino-Rama, the crowd-patterns throughout Dinoland have been completely altered. People entering Dinoland used to meander toward the Dinosaur building even though it was in the back, because the pathways led to it. Now, people miss the building altogether.
Unfortunately, as we all know, Dino Rama is not going anywhere soon.
Disney should at least consider adding more directional signs in Dinoland to advertise Dinosaur.
Testtrack321
Well-Known Member
Pre-Dino Rama (and pre-Dinosaur) the building was much more noticeable and MUCH MORE tantalizing with the huge Dino Institute posters with the open house information. I really do prefer the current storyline, but some sprucing up of the building would be nice (think reducing the trees and shrubs around it would highlight it more).
But still, my main problem is the ride itself right now.
But still, my main problem is the ride itself right now.
dave2822
New Member
IMO Dinosaur has gotten better since it's opening. Countdown to Extinction wasn't dark enough. The attraction is still excellently themed and has a great storyline.
The Dino-Institute is supposed to be plain and unassuming, it adds to the chaotic experience and to the surprise. Again, perhaps, this is an example of Animal Kingdom being themed too much, to the point of realism (i.e. DinoRama).
Remember that a lot of those signs were used initially, when the park and the attraction opened, to guide the guest yes, but also to advertise. With AK opened 7 years, and the attraction being such a landmark of the park, there is less of a need to post banners. There are many signs pointing you to Dinosaur, just for path's sake, like EPCOT points you to Test Track. But no more need for promotion, I suppose.
And I haven't noticed the problems with the attraction like some of the posters have, maybe I'm lucky. I already posted I don't have a problem with lack of fog, but I would like to see some of the other minor problems attended to. However, I'm still very thrilled with Dinosaur, I guess I'm easy to please.
The Dino-Institute is supposed to be plain and unassuming, it adds to the chaotic experience and to the surprise. Again, perhaps, this is an example of Animal Kingdom being themed too much, to the point of realism (i.e. DinoRama).
Remember that a lot of those signs were used initially, when the park and the attraction opened, to guide the guest yes, but also to advertise. With AK opened 7 years, and the attraction being such a landmark of the park, there is less of a need to post banners. There are many signs pointing you to Dinosaur, just for path's sake, like EPCOT points you to Test Track. But no more need for promotion, I suppose.
And I haven't noticed the problems with the attraction like some of the posters have, maybe I'm lucky. I already posted I don't have a problem with lack of fog, but I would like to see some of the other minor problems attended to. However, I'm still very thrilled with Dinosaur, I guess I'm easy to please.
dxwwf3
Well-Known Member
dave2822 said:
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident that one of the changes from the CTX to Dinosaur makeover was that some black light bushes were added at various points to make it LESS dark. I do know for a fact that some portions of the ride were slightly toned down during the change as well. It is mostly noticeable during the opening segment and during the turns. But it does seem to be better the past few years as opposed to when the Dinosaur version first opened (Maybe it's just my imagination, but it does seem rougher now than the first month "Dinosaur" opened).
dave2822 said:
I agree with you here. I like the Dino Institute setup and the unassuming nature.
t3techcom18
Well-Known Member
dxwwf3 said:
Yeah, that's true, but it isn't showing the attraction's full attention that it should, especially now as Dino-Rama is leading people away from Dinosaur, and into Dino-Rama, they should go and put up more interestings things to generate attention and interest. I agree with you there, Testtrack, the outside in CTX was much more interesting in that version before it was changed to Dinosaur. I say it's themed good, but I could get a LOT better. For me, it actually isn't that convincing....looks like some weird rundwon museum instead of the grandeur of what a museum is suppossed to be like, exploiting their discoveries and several other things with it. But I think that if you put in more interesting things, as like I said, the Time Rover being upside down outside, the transformer grid, etc., I think it would generate more attention.
Also, even though the attraction is pretty good itself, and the one feature I would like to have to remain would be when you first encounter the Carnotaur, and it's pitch black and you hearing it roaring right next to you at full volume. THAT scene always gives me the creeps ever since I first rode, and it's always done perfectly. The other stuff...it's pretty good, but it looked good then when it opened in 1998, but it doesn't look good now...it actually sort of looked outdated now...and this is one of the problems I say that WDI and TWDC is facing right now: they are building more and more attractions with the emphasice (sp?) on the present, but not the future...Sure, there are still rides and attractions that still do this, to look towards the future and it's done well, but Dinosaur, I personally think, was imapcted from the limited budget AK was given during construction, and was never released to it's full potential. Right now, I don't think that it's at the true potential of the ride to become a favorite among people. Sure, it's cool and entertaining, but I think it's something they more theming to empasize the theming and also put it more interesting for all peoples of all ages and also of all time, not to be specific for just one period of time.
I just think as though the gear shift on Dinosaur is stuck on 1998, and not like other rides that the gear shifts every year, gets more attention and also newer things...Dinosaur at the present moment is like a ride in denial, not getting anything new, and the ride system was really cool, and very good, but it soon went old, and the bumpiness was gone, it made Dinosaur as a ride with dinosaurs and with lots of bumps, but little bumps, not the realistic huge bumps that it was that before.
A little question to ask: I remember hearing a guest riding Indiana Jones Adventure in DLR, and having back problems because of it, and the ride vehicles are the same thing in Dinosaur, why didn't they tone down IJA and did it to Dinosaur? or did they?
t3techcom18
Well-Known Member
Yen_Sid1 said:
Yeah, I do remember that, and I do think that they should have kept it, it was an interesting little detail to the whole experience. Btw, your sig and avatar are cool!
:wave:
HM999thGhost
Member
I have noticed that you do seen the foliage when going through the time tunnel.. but it could just be that they are running the time rovers as close together as possible to get the crowd in so that can happen.. but they need to take into account that the entire attraction doesn't look that great with them that close since every once in a while where you end up basically going in a circle you see another vehicle entering as you're leaving.
On to how terrifying it is.. haha I've always been an easy scare for my family and this attraction horrified me the first time I went on it when they take your picture so of course my dad always makes fun of me... ohh well.. but one time we stopped there before the Carnatour came out and it said "We have lost traction" numerous times i might add which made us all wonder what they were going to do since we werent moving just rocking and hearing the sound of wheels turning. then we suddenly started moving and the carnatour jumped out at us.. LMBO we should have bought that picture I have to say it was probably the most scared group of people ever.. haha
Pardon my off topicness..
On to how terrifying it is.. haha I've always been an easy scare for my family and this attraction horrified me the first time I went on it when they take your picture so of course my dad always makes fun of me... ohh well.. but one time we stopped there before the Carnatour came out and it said "We have lost traction" numerous times i might add which made us all wonder what they were going to do since we werent moving just rocking and hearing the sound of wheels turning. then we suddenly started moving and the carnatour jumped out at us.. LMBO we should have bought that picture I have to say it was probably the most scared group of people ever.. haha
Pardon my off topicness..
TheDisneyMagic
Well-Known Member
I have a question regarding the change from CTX to Dinosaur, did the orinigal used to have Bill Nye the Science Guy in it, I am sure I remember from the first time that I rode the attraction that he was in the Pre Show (it stood out because he is obiously in UOE aswell). But since the change I am sure he is not there now, was the pre show entirely re-done or am I thinking of an attraction elswhere?
Thanks.
Thanks.