"Digital Fastpass" coming to DLR next month

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BrianV

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I'm really bummed. Was looking forward to using the legacy FP system for my first visit. MM+ is a mixed bag at WDW but as other have said, headliners are impossible to book less than 60 days in advance. Added to that my smart phone isn't compatible with the Disneyland App for whatever reason so I cannot download it (The WDW app is comparable.). Hoping it is still just in testing for my first and potentially only ever visit to DLR is April. :(
 

jmuboy

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This will be a mess to start no doubt. Just like magic bands was

Potential problems.

Not everyone has a SmartPhone.

Not all SmartPhones will connect to a 4G type of Network, especially Foreign Tourists.

Unlike WDW, Disneyland and DCA do not offer free WiFi to guests inside the parks.

If Disney did opt for free WiFi, with all the locals, how much access points do they need??? I presume the system would be overloaded quite a bit.

And then when the full system is up and running, I do see the Three Disney owned Hotels get special perks, such as long times in reserving in advance, and maybe more FP to be held at one time.

Do they offer a perk to those tourist buying a three day or longer parkhopper like they currently do with Magic Mornings?

Do you offer a perk to purchasers of more expensive AP's, or make an add-on available for purchase for an enhanced FP experience?

Tjis will be interesting to see, but I doubt they will get it right the first time.
 

Darkbeer1

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This will be a mess to start no doubt. Just like magic bands was

Oh, I think we all see the issues and potential problems. I think the key is how quickly will Disney respond to the issues, or will they get stuck in red tape, and blaming Guests for "just not understanding" how to use it.

What happens if my phone dies due to battery issues? Does every person need their own SmartPhone? If not, when folks return, does each person have to scan their own "hard" ticket to enter the FP line?

Just as the FP was when it started, and even today, you have the haves and have-nots. I know I was the first to try to educate the masses with the "Joy of FastPass guides" when you learned what would trigger a FP (at first, a Ralphs Frequent Shopper card worked), then when they figured out that they needed something more than just looking for "a" barcode in the right place and started with the correct number sequence and keeping track of that number being used yet, learning which FP machines talked to each other, (At first, they didn't at all). So we had the connected and unconnected attractions. Then they realized that locals would just bring in their friends AP for the day (when the friend didn't plan to go, or coming later (You met them at the Entrance Plaza area) to get multiple ones, so you had the real-time verification with the turnstiles, and that the entire party had to be present, and then Disney added the "show" FP's, etc. But Knowledge was power to maximize the FP system.

Now you need to provide the right equipment (at your own expense, such as the phone, the 4G network costs, and more than likely a back-up battery for safety. (Or be restricted in using it during the day to make sure it doesn't run out), having enough free memory to install the Disneyland App, and how much bigger will be the new version that works with the new digital FP's?

And then getting the "regular" guest to understand they need to install the App to access the opportunity to get the FP's.

And then we have the special perks. I remember when Walt Disney Travel would issue special "Any Time/Any FP ride" FP's usually as part of a Hotel Package.. Amazing how many of those ended up in the CM's pocket and handed to their friends later and got re-used multiple times.

So do the Disney owned Hotel guests get an early time to start requesting them, do they get to hold "more" FP's at the same time? Does WDTC also offer a perk to the Good Neighbor Hotel packages (not as good as the Disney owned Hotels, but still something an AP holder or a walk up guest doesn't get?

And we can keep going...

So Disney has addresses issues in the past, sometimes quicker than others. *The Anytime FP's" was found to be a problem by TDA early, but since WDTC had already advertised, printed flyers for Travel Agents, etc. they couldn't stop the program until the end of the year. (Red Tape).

And I think if Disney decides they have to place free Wi-Fi in the parks, they will be dealing with a lot of issues, simple things like we know that inside specific buildings and attractions, it will be hard to provide service, similar to how 4G networks don't always work. To the needed Bandwidth and access nodes (amount of users at one time). I can see the bean counters saying to install what they think is the minimum and then address shortages and add what is needed, so they don't over power the system. (aka costs).

I know they learned some things from FP+ at WDW, including that there are a lot of problems/issues and they needed to come up with something different. Now Disneyland will become the Guinea Pig, and will have to see if they want to attach Hotel Room Keys to the app, will it allow room charges for food/merchandise to the Credit Card on file, and for which members of the group?

What happens if the phone is stolen in the park?

I can keep going.

Looks like Guest Services CM's will be very busy for awhile......
 

TP2000

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Just to throw this out there...

I looked at the Disneyland App tonight before dinner, around 7:30pm. Wait times in both parks were huge.
Haunted Mansion Holiday - 150 minutes
Tower of Terror - 150 minutes
Racers - 120 minutes
Space Mt. Ghost Galaxy - 120 minutes
Soarin', Star Tours, Midway Mania, Indy - 90 minutes
Peter Pan, Alice, Matterhorn, Pirates - 50 to 60 minutes

Even at this late hour several big E Tickets are at 120 minutes. On a non-holiday Saturday in October with several ranks of AP's blocked out. Cause everyone goes to Harry Potter Land now anyway and no one goes to Disneyland after the 60th with no new rides or entertainment. :cool:

We all know what Disneyland looks and feels like when wait times are that high. Now boot 75% of those people out of queues and into walkways, staring at their phone waiting for their next digital Fastpass to be ready. Yikes.
 

mickEblu

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I've heard many concerns about wifi. I have a hard time believing Disney would roll this out without park wide wifi. I fully expect their to be wifi in place by the time the digital FP system is is officially rolled out.
 

drizgirl

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I've heard many concerns about wifi. I have a hard time believing Disney would roll this out without park wide wifi. I fully expect their to be wifi in place by the time the digital FP system is is officially rolled out.


I also wonder how they could do this without park wide wifi. But I think what they're doing 11/20 would probably be considered more of a "test" of the proposed system.
 

Ismael Flores

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Well, it has been the excuse that Disney has stated as to why they don't install WiFi in the parks in California. That it would create more folks not in queues, just waiting for Fantasmic!/Parades/Fireworks and similar stuff. Since most of them are AP holders, they are willing to take their time and just hang out with friends.
Couldn't they just do a dedicated system with limitations. That's not difficult to do. I have traveled around the world where many countries offer wifi in their downtown areas and its use is limited. Many had things like twitter blocked out.

The system can be set up so that it meets its purpose and monitored so that certain things are blocked out
 

flynnibus

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Fast pass only works for medium capacity attractions. The people eaters like PoTC it pointlessly inflates lines. The low capacity like TSMM, Matterhorn or Pan it exacerbates an already overwhelming demand and drives standby through the roof.

Sorry, this is a blanket statement that doesn't work because it ignores the single most significant factor... how much FP you distribute in the time window. It's not about high or low capacity attractions, its about the ratio you distribute.. and people's willingness to wait.

Even having 'only' FP would be viable, if you ensured access to the ticket lotto was balanced in a way to ensured guests wouldn't be excluded based on their visiting needs... because you set the exepctation up front. The issue is when people are willing to wait excessive amounts of time (boosting standby) because they don't feel comfortable they will get another shot at the attraction for less wait.
 

Phroobar

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I think there should be less public free WiFi. Most people don't have a portable firewall when they use public WiFi. Its really easy to hack people's phones.
 

FerretAfros

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Just as the FP was when it started, and even today, you have the haves and have-nots. I know I was the first to try to educate the masses with the "Joy of FastPass guides" when you learned what would trigger a FP (at first, a Ralphs Frequent Shopper card worked), then when they figured out that they needed something more than just looking for "a" barcode in the right place and started with the correct number sequence and keeping track of that number being used yet, learning which FP machines talked to each other, (At first, they didn't at all). So we had the connected and unconnected attractions. Then they realized that locals would just bring in their friends AP for the day (when the friend didn't plan to go, or coming later (You met them at the Entrance Plaza area) to get multiple ones, so you had the real-time verification with the turnstiles, and that the entire party had to be present, and then Disney added the "show" FP's, etc. But Knowledge was power to maximize the FP system.
For what it's worth, during the final days of the legacy FP system in WDW, the FP machines returned to their old tricks. There was a brief window (including the peak 2013 Christmas/New Years week and Marathon Weekend 2014) where the FP+ system was fully functional for hotel guests, but the paper FP system remained in place for off-site guests. During that transition, the paper FP machines still enforced rules for when you could get the next FP, but only if you tried with the same card. If you had multiple cards, you could rack up countless FPs, in addition to the FP+ reservations.

If I'm not mistaken, the 3 FPs in this photo were obtained with a 5-year old WDW room key, a used/expired DLR ticket, and a grocery VIP card, all while simultaneously holding a full roster of FP+ reservations. That was an especially fun trip!
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With the aggressive AP base at DLR, I have to think that they would minimize or completely bypass that transitional time to avoid abuse. Then again, considering how terrible the resorts are at sharing information with one another, I wouldn't be surprised if DLR had no idea that this ever happened and will eventually happen to them too
 

DisneyRoxMySox

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I will never understand why they didn't take the legacy FP system and make it paperless. When I first heard of MM+, I envisioned people walking up to the FP+ distribution area and tapping their MagicBand to "download" a FP for the current available return window. You refresh your app, see your FP+ return time in your plans and the time you could obtain another one.

Am I alone in thinking this could be done? You would still need a "runner" as some have mentioned and of course moving between parks.
 

drizgirl

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I will never understand why they didn't take the legacy FP system and make it paperless. When I first heard of MM+, I envisioned people walking up to the FP+ distribution area and tapping their MagicBand to "download" a FP for the current available return window. You refresh your app, see your FP+ return time in your plans and the time you could obtain another one.

Am I alone in thinking this could be done? You would still need a "runner" as some have mentioned and of course moving between parks.


I think MM+ was developed to gather data to help Disney do exactly what they have been doing in the parks lately....... adjust staffing according to the advance booking information they get from FP+. They didn't do it as a convenience to their customers, but as a way to lock people into their plans in advance so they can adjust park hours and staffing levels to save as much money as possible.
 

Phroobar

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They could always just have minimum attraction staff and one coaster train like Magic Mountain does. Sure the wait times will be hours but who cares as long you buy stuff. They could give you more virtual fast passes based on your gross spending for the day.
 
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Deleted member 107043

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I think MM+ was developed to gather data to help Disney do exactly what they have been doing in the parks lately....... adjust staffing according to the advance booking information they get from FP+. They didn't do it as a convenience to their customers, but as a way to lock people into their plans in advance so they can adjust park hours and staffing levels to save as much money as possible.

I agree with you except the part about convenience. Years ago I read that Disney's number one customer complaint across the Parks division was long waits for attractions, and from that Fastpass, and ultimately MM+, was born. Maybe I'm naive but I believe guest satisfaction and data collection played big roles in driving the development of MM+.
 

drizgirl

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I agree with you except the part about convenience. Years ago I read that Disney's number one customer complaint across the Parks division was long waits for attractions, and from that Fastpass, and ultimately MM+, was born. Maybe I'm naive but I believe guest satisfaction and data collection played big roles in driving the development of MM+.


I'm one who thinks FP+ has actually made wait times longer, so I find FP+ more inconvenient than legacy. Waits might be shorter on the rides you actually get a FP for, but if I want to reride a headliner, my odds of doing it by FP are now far lower than they were with legacy FP. Or even if I want to ride more than one headliner at Epcot or DHS.
 
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Deleted member 107043

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One thing people fail to take into consideration in these FP discussions is the dramatic increase in DL attendance since FP was introduced. Not saying that the advent of FP hasn't had negative affects on guest behaviors in the parks, but the roughly 5 million additional annual visitors that weren't there in 1999 when the system was introduced are contributing to overcrowded walkways too.
 

drizgirl

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One thing people fail to take into consideration in these FP discussions is the dramatic increase in DL attendance since FP was introduced. Not saying that the advent of FP hasn't had negative affects on guest behaviors in the parks, but the roughly 5 million additional annual visitors that weren't there in 1999 when the system was introduced are contributing to overcrowded walkways too.


No doubt about that.

But when I'm talking about "longer lines" I'm talking about the difference in wait times between legacy FP and advent of FP+. Regardless of how many more people are in the parks, if the system makes it harder to get as many FPs, you're going to be 1) waiting in more standby lines, which are always longer than FP lines or 2) riding things less.
 

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