DHS CARS LAND

[The Duck]

DCA gets CL and BVS. UNI gets Potter.

WDW gets Circusland and theme-destroying cartoon bathrooms. Paris gets the vomit-inducing Toy Story Playland. So shockingly bad and misguided it is not even a cheesy parody of a Disney park anymore.

Here's proof. WOW that's bad!

 

[|Q|]

DCA gets CL and BVS. UNI gets Potter.

WDW gets Circusland and theme-destroying cartoon bathrooms. Paris gets the vomit-inducing Toy Story Playland. So shockingly bad and misguided it is not even a cheesy parody of a Disney park anymore.

Well, to be fair, it has lame attractions and those parachute drop towers are awful, but TSPL it's a really good theme area by the WDSP standards. Actually i think that once they'll build TSMM it's goin to be pretty good.

THIS is the worst "themed" part in Paris

Here's the street view, if you wanna take a virtual stroll.

 

[SirLink]

And it is unmitigated crap. One of the sadder areas of the world's worst theme park.

A cheap Cars Land would plunge DHS into Paris Studio territory, the only tourist destination in Europe less desireable than hiking in the Chernobyl forests.

It isn't that bad...if they got/could afford what was proposed for them initially it wouldn't of been that bad though ...

 

[jt04]

It isn't that bad...if they got/could afford what was proposed for them initially it wouldn't of been that bad though ...

Now that I learned earlier in this thread that Lasseter is not on board for a full clone at DHS I think there is nothing to worry about. Likely it won't happen.

But a scaled down version that falls somewhere between the budgets for Paris and DCA would work. That leaves plenty of room for creative differences. Not to mention the finance folks.

 

[misterID]

Urgh Pixar, plus TDO were looking at how to change Radiator Springs to be like you were on the set of Cars(read cardboard). Anyway we heard long ago that JL didn't want it cloned domestically, plus we have heard everything ... bar Cars Land recently...

I swear I read him saying he'd like to see it at all the Disney Parks.

If JL feels that way then JL needs to get his butt in gear, live up to his WDC/WDI title, and get something mind-blowing for WDW lined up. It's pathetic. The reason we're even talking about a Carsland clone is because he, and the majority of WDC suits, only seem to be interested in the DLR, which they all admit is their real love... Leaving WDW as the redheaded stepchild in the care of the wicked stepmother and step sisters. (Cinderella reference, ha!)

TDO's blame can only go so far. Burbank makes all the decisions, ultimately, and imo, they are just as much at fault for everything that is wrong at WDW, possibly even more, than TDO.

 

[misterID]

Now that I learned earlier in this thread that Lasseter is not on board for a full clone at DHS I think there is nothing to worry about. Likely it won't happen.

But a scaled down version that falls somewhere between the budgets for Paris and DCA would work. That leaves plenty of room for creative differences. Not to mention the finance folks.

I'm seriously doubting JL has the kind of power people seem to think, or initially thought he had. He doesn't seem to have any stroke other than his baby project at DCA.

If he did have that sway, Tony Baxter would still have a job, and he'd be working on bringing his "baby" project in Imagination back to life on a grand scale right now.

If the Powers That Be want the cloned Carsland, we're getting the cloned Carsland.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm seriously doubting JL has the kind of power people seem to think, or initially thought he had. He doesn't seem to have any stroke other than his baby project at DCA.

If he did have that sway, Tony Baxter would still have a job, and he'd be working on bringing his "baby" project in Imagination back to life on a grand scale right now.

If the Powers That Be want the cloned Carsland, we're getting the cloned Carsland.

Lasseter used up a lot of his clout in keeping Cars Land on track.

 

[wdwfan4ver]

And it is unmitigated crap. One of the sadder areas of the world's worst theme park.

A cheap Cars Land would plunge DHS into Paris Studio territory, the only tourist destination in Europe less desireable than hiking in the Chernobyl forests.

No wonder Disneyland Paris is debt.

Ratatouille Kitchen Calamity isn't enough to fix that mess. Even if Disney Park Studios get gets a Marvel Land before the end of the decade, it isn't enough to fix the problem over there.

That Park needs the DCA treatment.

 

[jt04]

Lasseter used up a lot of his clout in keeping Cars Land on track.

I would think the success of Carsland not only restored any lost clout but gave him even more clout. They had to replace the sidewalk in less than a year because guests wore out the first one.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I would think the success of Carsland not only restored any lost clout but gave him even more clout. They had to replace the sidewalk in less than a year because guests wore out the first one.

The success is given more to the brand than the actual content of the land.

 

[SirLink]

I'm seriously doubting JL has the kind of power people seem to think, or initially thought he had. He doesn't seem to have any stroke other than his baby project at DCA.

If he did have that sway, Tony Baxter would still have a job, and he'd be working on bringing his "baby" project in Imagination back to life on a grand scale right now.

If the Powers That Be want the cloned Carsland, we're getting the cloned Carsland.

1)Ike and JL have a lot of power within the TWDC machine
2)Tony didn't like JL for coming in - Little Mermaid has a distinctive plastic JL feel to it. Tony liked Pete Docter and had a good relationship with him not JL
3)If JL doesn't want it he will but his retirement on the line - combined with a refocused WDAS, Disney mangaemnt would mostly sacrifice Iger in order to JL.

I swear I read him saying he'd like to see it at all the Disney Parks.

If JL feels that way then JL needs to get his butt in gear, live up to his WDC/WDI title, and get something mind-blowing for WDW lined up. It's pathetic. The reason we're even talking about a Carsland clone is because he, and the majority of WDC suits, only seem to be interested in the DLR, which they all admit is their real love... Leaving WDW as the redheaded stepchild in the care of the wicked stepmother and step sisters. (Cinderella reference, ha!)

TDO's blame can only go so far. Burbank makes all the decisions, ultimately, and imo, they are just as much at fault for everything that is wrong at WDW, possibly even more, than TDO.

TDO wanted CarsLand ... TDO could of said they wanted an exciting counter-point to Harry Potter and thy most likely would of been presented with something good, but they are risk adverse, hence them wanting Cars Land

Most of suits think there is no growth potential, hence timeshares and NextGen. TDO is systemic - they are the ones who like to value engineer. So Burbank might approve a $500million project that takes 2 years to complete and they decide to push it over 3 years and reduce it by $50million. Hence Car(d)s (Board)Land...

 

[jt04]

The success is given more to the brand than the actual content of the land.

To some extent. Of course if they had built the Paris version, I am certain DCA would not have gained an inch.

Carsland was the perfect solution for DCA. They needed something to make that park a "must see". Carsland has done that. And it fixed the problem of visual intrusions. Obviously a lot of thought went into it.

Hopefully as much brilliance goes into whatever response Disney has for Universal/Sea World etc. My opinion is the FLE and Pandora are only the beginning. And since they are not likely to do anything with Marvel at WDW in the short term, that leaves Pixar and Star Wars.

Here is my guess. Iger is going to want to leave a Marvel legacy in the parks before he leaves. That would have to go to DL.

They also must be anxious to exploit the Star Wars IP as soon as they can. WDW makes sense because they need something major to respond to Potter in addition to Pandora. And I expect an expansion of Pixar Place is in the discussion.

So, I think this is what they are trying to figure out right now. We need another Disney Decade.

 

[GoofGoof]

TDO wanted CarsLand ... TDO could of said they wanted an exciting counter-point to Harry Potter and thy most likely would of been presented with something good, but they are risk adverse, hence them wanting Cars Land

Most of suits think there is no growth potential, hence timeshares and NextGen. TDO is systemic - they are the ones who like to value engineer. So Burbank might approve a $500million project that takes 2 years to complete and they decide to push it over 3 years and reduce it by $50million. Hence Car(d)s (Board)Land...

They spent the $500M given to them for FLE. I think if given the opportunity TDO would jump at a $500M budget for Carsland and/or DHS. I agree that they are risk adverse and that is why Pandora is still dragging. Given the budget to build a sure thing like Cars Land would be a no brainer. The real question is will they keep it maintained?

 

[GoofGoof]

To some extent. Of course if they had built the Paris version, I am certain DCA would not have gained an inch.

Carsland was the perfect solution for DCA. They needed something to make that park a "must see". Carsland has done that. And it fixed the problem of visual intrusions. Obviously a lot of thought went into it.

Hopefully as much brilliance goes into whatever response Disney has for Universal/Sea World etc. My opinion is the FLE and Pandora are only the beginning. And since they are not likely to do anything with Marvel at WDW in the short term, that leaves Pixar and Star Wars.

Here is my guess. Iger is going to want to leave a Marvel legacy in the parks before he leaves. That would have to go to DL.

They also must be anxious to exploit the Star Wars IP as soon as they can. WDW makes sense because they need something major to respond to Potter in addition to Pandora. And I expect an expansion of Pixar Place is in the discussion.

So, I think this is what they are trying to figure out right now. We need another Disney Decade.

Another Disney decade would be cool to watch unfold as a fan. I just hope they don't try for both and come up double small. A value engineered version of Cars Land and just a few Star Wars adds like a restaurant, themed bathroom and large Jedi academy. That would be the worst case scenario. I would be good with a full commitment to either and obviously a full commitment to both would be welcome, but not a half hearted attempt at both.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Crazy Idea: What if DLP got a consistent clip of quality expansions over a five to ten year period and they then tore down WDSP to build an entirely new park on its plot?

 

[jt04]

Another Disney decade would be cool to watch unfold as a fan. I just hope they don't try for both and come up double small. A value engineered version of Cars Land and just a few Star Wars adds like a restaurant, themed bathroom and large Jedi academy. That would be the worst case scenario. I would be good with a full commitment to either and obviously a full commitment to both would be welcome, but not a half hearted attempt at both.

Ideally I would prefer they go big on one franchise (Star Wars, Pixar Place expansion or Pandora) and then build the other two in phases. That way by the time the 50th rolls around all three new lands would be complete. In addition to the FLE-ing of the rest of the MK. They would then be poised for the next 50 years.

Just my two cents.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Given the budget to build a sure thing like Cars Land would be a no brainer. The real question is will they keep it maintained?

Pixar has a theme park division that among other things monitors shows and attractions based on Pixar IP. As shown recently with Rt 66's repaving at CL where Pixar people inspected the repaving and had them redo it which can be seen here (http://micechat.com/29124-disneyland-resort-monstrous-summer/)

 

[GoofGoof]

Pixar has a theme park division that among other things monitors shows and attractions based on Pixar IP. As shown recently with Rt 66's repaving at CL where Pixar people inspected the repaving and had them redo it which can be seen here (http://micechat.com/29124-disneyland-resort-monstrous-summer/)

Interesting. So if they build anything Pixar at DHS there will at least be a level of quality oversight above local management. I didn't know that existed, but it is a good thing. I would hope those folks would have the ability to also block too much value engineering in the design and construction phase.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Interesting. So if they build anything Pixar at DHS there will at least be a level of quality oversight above local management. I didn't know that existed, but it is a good thing. I would hope those folks would have the ability to also block too much value engineering in the design and construction phase.

They could always just cut out TDO (everyone but OPS) and WDI and just design it up in Emeryville.

 

[misterID]

1)Ike and JL have a lot of power within the TWDC machine
2)Tony didn't like JL for coming in - Little Mermaid has a distinctive plastic JL feel to it. Tony liked Pete Docter and had a good relationship with him not JL
3)If JL doesn't want it he will but his retirement on the line - combined with a refocused WDAS, Disney mangaemnt would mostly sacrifice Iger in order to JL.



TDO wanted CarsLand ... TDO could of said they wanted an exciting counter-point to Harry Potter and thy most likely would of been presented with something good, but they are risk adverse, hence them wanting Cars Land

Most of suits think there is no growth potential, hence timeshares and NextGen. TDO is systemic - they are the ones who like to value engineer. So Burbank might approve a $500million project that takes 2 years to complete and they decide to push it over 3 years and reduce it by $50million. Hence Car(d)s (Board)Land...

If this is all true, JL sucks, at least when it comes to WDW. There is more than one park than DLR. He should know, he was at EPCOT recently, pushing his wine.

It doesn't really matter what TDO wants or doesn't want, etc. Even by what you're saying, they could basically exclude TDO if they wanted, someone could come down and oversee the $500 million project.

And again, if the suits in Burbank see no potential in WDW other than time share and next gen, this isn't a TDO problem. And I hope they fall on their face. I've really never rooted for UNI like I am now.