MOXOMUMD
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Point blank....that's a stupid comparison.
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DHS and Epcot needs more for girls
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FettFan
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Not really. Anna was running away too....by trying to marry the first pretty face that she met.
copcarguyp71
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LOL...sorry, just so skewed it made me laugh.
Disney has never been ALL ABOUT one particular group. It is as much a melting pot as a utopian society could ever hope to be. Do what you and your kids enjoy and leave the rest behind but looking for a sympathetic ear on this one sided argument will only garnish more of the same that you have already had reign down upon you.
morningstar
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I thought about it a little. In general I don't like the idea of saying this is for boys and that is for girls, but if you really try hard, here is how I think you could categorize the Future World pavilions.
Spaceship Earth: girls. The theme is communication. If communication is the province of one or the other gender, it's girls. They are more interested in socialization, whereas boys might be more inclined to the axiom, "Actions speak louder than words."
Innoventions: skip it. It's too many different exhibits lumped together to analyze it all.
Energy: balanced. No one really cares about the fossil fuel message. We're here to see the dinosaurs, which are animals. As you said, animals have equal appeal.
Seas: balanced. Likewise this is about animals.
Mission: Space: boys. Rockets are shaped like ... you got it.
The Land: boys. Actually I'd guess more women than men count gardening as a hobby, but to be fair, since Energy is about the dinosaurs, The Land is about Soarin'. And I guess more men than women have pilot's licenses.
Test Track: boys. Generally speaking, boys do show more interest in cars than girls.
Imagination: girls. Imagination is about creativity. If we have to choose a gender that has more claim to creating, it's females, on biological grounds.
So I count 3 for boys, 2 for girls, and 2 balanced. Pretty fair. Really other than MS and TT, it's a tough call.
World Showcase's appeal depends a lot more on age than gender. Kids under 13 might not be that interested, 13-21 might or might not, and for 21+, it is sometimes their favorite part of Disney World.
Spaceship Earth: girls. The theme is communication. If communication is the province of one or the other gender, it's girls. They are more interested in socialization, whereas boys might be more inclined to the axiom, "Actions speak louder than words."
Innoventions: skip it. It's too many different exhibits lumped together to analyze it all.
Energy: balanced. No one really cares about the fossil fuel message. We're here to see the dinosaurs, which are animals. As you said, animals have equal appeal.
Seas: balanced. Likewise this is about animals.
Mission: Space: boys. Rockets are shaped like ... you got it.
The Land: boys. Actually I'd guess more women than men count gardening as a hobby, but to be fair, since Energy is about the dinosaurs, The Land is about Soarin'. And I guess more men than women have pilot's licenses.
Test Track: boys. Generally speaking, boys do show more interest in cars than girls.
Imagination: girls. Imagination is about creativity. If we have to choose a gender that has more claim to creating, it's females, on biological grounds.
So I count 3 for boys, 2 for girls, and 2 balanced. Pretty fair. Really other than MS and TT, it's a tough call.
World Showcase's appeal depends a lot more on age than gender. Kids under 13 might not be that interested, 13-21 might or might not, and for 21+, it is sometimes their favorite part of Disney World.
cw1982
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I don't think anyone would argue that little girls should NOT be able to play house or play princess... but my whole point in my original response was that Disney is a great opportunity for parents to encourage their kids to branch out from those stereotypes. That's just like saying there's nothing wrong with little boys playing with GI Joes or footballs. Doesn't make it any less okay for them to enjoy all that the WDW parks have to offer either.
Gabe1
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I know this may sound like sarcasim after all the money Disney has just invested in new Fantasyland. But am I the only one who notices the lack of attractions geared toward females and families with little princesses of our own at DHS and Epcot? Like I said this may sound like a sarcastic post considering how Frozen is now one of Disneys most successful films, and all the princess-oriented material found in new Fantasyland at MK. But other parks need at least just one or two quality attractions at either park that are geared to the ladies. Sure there is B&B and Playhouse Disney at DHS which features Sophia The First, and Epcot has princess meet and greets at different locations, but if you count all the attractions at both parks, both major and smaller, it seems to be geared mostly toward boys. The reason i did not mention Animal Kingdom is because animals are mostly bi-gender in popularity, meaning both little boys and little girls will be entertained by seeing animals and animal related shows or exhibits. But look at Epcot which is my least favorite park. Most girls young and old are not into all the science, space exploration, and cultural offerings. That is more educational and geared for the males. It is hard to even spot Belle or one of the princesses around World Showcase unless you know the exact times they will be out and appearing. Then you have Epcot Character Spot which is fine and enjoyable for our little princesses, but Figment, Energy, TT, Soarin, not too many girls will be begging mommy and daddy to take them to see an attraction on where fossil fuels come from.
Sorry this rant is long but what i am getting at is why not just one or two attractions at each park that would really be of interest for little girls. A Tangled ride at DHS?? Please???? What about a Tangled or Frozen stage show? Belle was all about learning and imagination, so why not include her somewhere in the pavilion, especially since people are tired of the current imagination ride? Please do not think I am suggesting disney go all princess all the time. As much as i would like that, it would run off the male audiences. All I am saying is make more a balance at all 4 parks, not just MK.
What they said and many others. As a mother of a DD that just graduated from a top college with a double major in math and statistics, she was fortunate to visit WDW so many times and soak in the culture, educational offerings and science attractions that Epcot had. She was fortunate, there was more in FW when she was small and far less stereotypical girly stuff, bluck. She shunned the glitter of the Princesses early on. She wanted more for herself early on. Her father and I fostered her love of learning and supported her through her drive for higher education.
Need a mentor? There are so many women out there that would love the opportunity to be a positive influence guiding and showing you the possibilities for women in the 21st century. I'd start with a guidance counselor at school. Likely they have a mentoring program that can broaden your horizons. Best Wishes.
morningstar
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Don't forget that hip chick with the fro operating the computer in Spaceship Earth.
cw1982
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Um, having worked with kids of all ages, I can about promise you that the first phrase you suggested yelling would result in very little reaction beyond confused facial expressions from most kids of either gender... "adventure in communication" is hardly a comparison to the easy sentence of "Anna and Elsa [are] walking by right now." You're comparing apples and oranges here.
Californian Elitist
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Seriously!!! I understand the film was made in the 80's, but that's no excuse.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Yes, which is why I've said (in other threads) that her parents were terrible people.
However, think about the plot of the movie.
Childhood accident
Parents lock her in her room and don't let her "be herself" instead of working with her and teaching her to control and not be ashamed of her powers (sortof like...teaching someone the force, but without the mental and emotional discipline to control it, they turn to the dark side...except...she didn't turn to the "dark side"...though there was one moment where she was fighting off the men trying to kill her. But, I would have loved to have seen her (and her scriptwriters) flirt with this concept a lot more, instead of following a "relatable Frankenstein" character arch).
Due to this, at her coronation she is unable to control herself, and as a result is embarrassed and scared (sounds like Frankenstein, eh?) So, she runs off to the hills (hrm...) and builds herself a castle (like a child running off to their room and frumping under the bedcovers), while singing a catchy earworm of a song that is basically not much more then a massive temper tantrum.
Then she lashes out at her family and friends, even conjuring up a giant monster to potentially kill them.
Yep, any parent of a teenager would know exactly what she's acting like.
Only towards the end does her character expand a bit. But, honestly...I don't think she's all that great. Her sister is far more admirable.
Of course, this is my opinion.
AllydoesDisney
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Amen.
StarWarsGirl
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Why on earth would you put it that way with anyone?
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Touche. But, that was infatuation (we've all had it). She drops that for her love over her sister and goes off to find her pretty quickly.
AllydoesDisney
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I'm seriously picturing the OP having a stroke if her daughter comes home and says "Mom I want to be a scientist"
OK that was a little mean but that's the impression I've gotten based on this whole thing.
OK that was a little mean but that's the impression I've gotten based on this whole thing.
With my kids, I've seen:
Spaceship Earth - 5yo daughter loved it
Innoventions - both daughters & son loved different areas
Energy - they were all bored
Seas - daughters loved it
Mission Space - both daughter & son loved it. Though son wanted to go orange & daughter wanted green
Land - everyone loved Soarin
Test Track - everyone loved it. My 9yo daughter rode it more than my 10yo son
In short - all the kids loved it. There was really no discernable gender bias amongst my kids.
I suspect any attempt to break it up either goes to someone's particular kids or just perceived general themes. However, I've found the general themes meaningless as kids (at least my kids) today feel free to like what they like.
PUSH
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Angie, I was going to type something up, but cw1982 summed up my thoughts exactly. If you can't realize how your comments were offensive and stereotypical, then there is nothing I can say to you to get you to understand. I am sorry for your narrow-mindedness; you are truly missing out on some great things in life by limiting yourself to stereotypes. I hope you find a way to let those stereotypes go so you can make life more enjoyable for both yourself and those around you.
FettFan
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Sandwichland: Where every girl can find her Hero.
But in her case I suspect it was infatuation covering up her loneliness.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I do not disagree with you.
Also, I will say this..."edutainment" is boring to kids when their parents find it boring, and perhaps that's why EPCOT Center (in it's original glory) failed.
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