News Destination D23 2023

[mattpeto]

I edited my post to elaborate on the fact that the attractions built in the Asian parks that have co-ownership/etc do not by default have an exclusivity agreement.

We have seen nothing to imply that this attraction will feature an exclusivity agreement.

I thought Tron was under an exclusivity agreement? Or maybe that was just Remy's?

I guess that kills one of my earlier posts containing an argument that Disney can't use the new Zootopia attraction they are building in Shanghai DL. But I still stand by what I said, that I don't see Dinosaur going the Zootopia route anytime soon. It's too expensive to retrofit Dinosaur as it's a different ride system completely.

If anything gets green-light in the near future, it's whatever the plans they had at the site of Primeval Whirl. It's likely the Moana Splash ride.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I thought Tron was under an exclusivity agreement? Or maybe that was just Remy's?

I guess that kills one of my earlier posts containing an argument that Disney can't use the new Zootopia attraction they are building in Shanghai DL. But I still stand by what I said, that I don't see Dinosaur going the Zootopia route anytime soon. It's too expensive to retrofit Dinosaur as it's a different ride system completely.

If anything gets green-light in the near future, it's whatever the plans they had at the site of Primeval Whirl. It's likely the Moana Splash ride.

Tron & Remy were, but my point was that those two specific attractions were, it doesn’t mean every attraction built is.

The more we discover about the Zootopia attraction in Shanghai, I feel it’s more and more unlikely that it will be a complete copy, if they do go that route for Dinosaur.

Hopefully we find out more this weekend.

 

[erasure fan1]

can someone explain to me what about Dinoland has people wanting to keep it around? Is it DINOSAUR? Is it Dinorama? I can't crack it from my POV. I visited Animal Kingdom last month for the first time and was underwhelmed with that entire section of the park so I'm not sure if I'm missing something

You aren't really missing anything. I'd say it is in fact, Dinosaurs. I wouldn't want it to go for that reason alone. Do I love the area? Parts of it for sure. I think a lot of people want it to stay in the hopes that they give it some much needed attention. Of course the odds of Disney investing in an area of the parks that wouldn't have a merchandise ip tie in, is slim to none.

 

[Horizonsfan]

IMO, you could somewhat overlay Doctor Strange* to Dinosaur if they’re hell bent on IP. Switch the Dino Institute to the Sanctum Santorum, and convert the start and ending time portals into Inter-dimensional portals, leading us to a universe where dinosaurs still exist. Cue Dino mayhem.

* - one of the few Marvel characters of note that can be used at WDW.

 

[prberk]

I just hope that they do the history exhibits right, at least to honor the 100th anniversary of the company. That is what I am coming for.

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

IMO, you could somewhat overlay Doctor Strange* to Dinosaur if they’re hell bent on IP. Switch the Dino Institute to the Sanctum Santorum, and convert the start and ending time portals into Inter-dimensional portals, leading us to a universe where dinosaurs still exist. Cue Dino mayhem.

* - one of the few Marvel characters of note that can be used at WDW.

The only thing worse than replacing Dinoland with Zootopia would be replacing it with literal NYC

 

[lazyboy97o]

I believe what we learned today makes any Zootopia plans a significant stretch. A retrofit from the Dinosaur ride system is a massive undertaking. This isn’t replacing the animatronics/lighting effects like TBA or Frozen Ever After, it’s the whole ride system. It would be massively expensive and would hurt capacity during the closure.

Do we honestly think Disney would start with something from the ground up when they have a prototype opening featuring Zootopia soon?

Disney’s MO has been design a ride once and use it multiple parks. It saves the discovery, architecture, intellectual, engineering expenses and probably more I can think of.

Look how WDW grabbed up Tron and Remy’s. And how they put MMRR, MFSR and Rise on both coasts. Heck they are putting the Malestrom-Frozen Ever After redo at one of the international parks.

Besides, Shanghai DL likely has an exclusive agreement on their new attraction. We don’t even know if the ride will be a hit, yet.

Long-term, I would watch the success of the Fantasy Springs attractions, any of them would be good candidates to come to WDW or DL at some point.

If we get the “goods” - aka an attraction announcement” this week, it won’t be Zootopia at AK or I’ll be very wrong.

I do believe we will get the goods…I hope.

Your assumptions about cost savings are incorrect. They’re not that great when it comes to the architecture and engineering as it all need to be redone. This is why TRON and Ratatouille took so long between announcement (which is approximately when design began on both) and opening. The savings come from knowing the design intent, which would still be largely known even when converting to a different ride system and show space.

Exclusivity is not a default for all attractions in Asia. The issues surrounding exclusivity in Hong Kong and Tokyo don’t really exist in Shanghai so we shouldn’t assume every project there will have the same exclusivity.

 

[Horizonsfan]

The only thing worse than replacing Dinoland with Zootopia would be replacing it with literal NYC

You wouldn’t have to change the whole land to NYC. No different than they didn’t change all of Future World East to Knowhere for Guardians. Transitions can happen within the building to get you where you need to be.

If it’s keep Dinosaurs a part of AK, but overlay an IP vs no dinosaurs at all, I’m choosing the former. Zootopia should be at DHS, or at the very least an expansion of DAK.

 

[michmousefan]

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating….

I have serious doubts that any major announcements will be made as far as the Parks go.
The Dest-D Events just do not typically do this…it’s usually more small scale.
Whatever newsworthy announcements are in the pipeline will be saved for the big media splash that is the D23 Expo next year.
That is when the major projects are announced and other projects are showcased.

Well, except that one time when Bob Chapek was doing a presentation at the Expo and the ONLY time he showed any true excitement at all when the Target mascot ‘Bullseye’ the dog came on stage.
Yeah…
Remember that?
Priceless moment….and so Bob.


Anyway…
I fully expect low key ‘announcements’ at Dest-D this weekend and perhaps a confirmation or two regarding things we already know are happening.
Small scale stuff, but still things we will probably be glad to get some additional insight into.

Temper expections.

Secretly hoping the Epcot panel will be excellent.
The allure of material supposedly unearthed from Marty Sklar’s archive makes it sound promising.
After the Epcot panel, they are inviting us all over to the Park…for something special…


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Actually, if they make any large-scale announcements this week, it could signal that the Expo might be cut back or curtailed. I can see them reducing the scale to one annual "Destination D23" event, alternating each year between WDW and Disneyland, but I hope that's not the case. I enjoy the Expos...

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

No different than they didn’t change all of Future World East to Knowhere for Guardians. Transitions can happen within the building to get you where you need to be.

Cosmic Rewind takes place in Future World. The Doctor Strange building (idk what it’s called) is in New York.

Regardless there’s no chance in hell a Doctor Strange ride would also be a dinosaur ride.

 

[Rhinocerous]

The only thing worse than replacing Dinoland with Zootopia would be replacing it with literal NYC

I wouldn’t mind. I’d be able to go to WDW much more often. We could also use the extra parking in Chester & Hester’s.

 

[Horizonsfan]

Cosmic Rewind takes place in Future World. The Doctor Strange building (idk what it’s called) is in New York.

Regardless there’s no chance in hell a Doctor Strange ride would also be a dinosaur ride.

If you’re going to be pedantic, the actual attraction & half of the pre shows takes place in a Nova ship and space. Only the queue “exists” in future world world discovery.

Yeah, no s*** it’s not happening. It was just an idea I had if they’re determined to shove modern IP everywhere.

Actually, if they make any large-scale announcements this week, it could signal that the Expo might be cut back or curtailed. I can see them reducing the scale to one annual "Destination D23" event, alternating each year between WDW and Disneyland, but I hope that's not the case. I enjoy the Expos...

Last year’s parks panel debacle, coupled with the film/tv production cuts, lead me to think they probably do want to lower the excitement/expectation level for the Anaheim expos.

 

[James Alucobond]

If you’re going to be pedantic, the actual attraction & half of the pre shows takes place in a Nova ship and space. Only the queue “exists” in future world world discovery.

Yeah, no s*** it’s not happening. It was just an idea I had if they’re determined to shove modern IP everywhere.


Last year’s parks panel debacle, coupled with the film/tv production cuts, lead me to think they probably do want to lower the excitement/expectation level for the Anaheim expos.

Doctor Strange would make more sense to me in Wonders of Life. Add some Eye of Agamotto-esque arches and whatnot to the exterior of the dome, and adapt the theater doors to be location-shifting portals similar to those in the Sanctum. The dome interior could use the same screens planned for PLAY! and shift from place to place. "Allowed" Marvel meet-and-greets could be hosted in the dome proper, and the theaters could be utilized for attractions related to the multiverse and string theory. Possible new pavilion name could be Mysteries of the Multiverse? That at least keeps the Marvel stuff somewhat together.

 

[mattpeto]

Your assumptions about cost savings are incorrect. They’re not that great when it comes to the architecture and engineering as it all need to be redone. This is why TRON and Ratatouille took so long between announcement (which is approximately when design began on both) and opening. The savings come from knowing the design intent, which would still be largely known even when converting to a different ride system and show space.

Exclusivity is not a default for all attractions in Asia. The issues surrounding exclusivity in Hong Kong and Tokyo don’t really exist in Shanghai so we shouldn’t assume every project there will have the same exclusivity.

There is still massive savings with developing one attraction that can be used in multiple parks.

TBA is a just another example of that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There is still massive savings with developing one attraction that can be used in multiple parks.

TBA is a just another example of that.

The savings are not that massive.

The two Splash Mountains were very different from each other. Your example is evidence of my point, the savings are in the story and design direction, not the technical specifics of the facility.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

IMO, you could somewhat overlay Doctor Strange* to Dinosaur if they’re hell bent on IP. Switch the Dino Institute to the Sanctum Santorum, and convert the start and ending time portals into Inter-dimensional portals, leading us to a universe where dinosaurs still exist. Cue Dino mayhem.

* - one of the few Marvel characters of note that can be used at WDW.

Could also do Shang Chi and have the jeeps take you to Ta Lo (like there are jeeps that go there in the movie) and see the fanciful creatures there, have some sort of conflict that Shang Chi saves us from, etc.

 

[mattpeto]

The savings are not that massive.

The two Splash Mountains were very different from each other. Your example is evidence of my point, the savings are in the story and design direction, not the technical specifics of the facility.

Okay I can buy that. Still a big savings.

 

[SoFloMagic]

They would have to break ground today to have a fleeting hope at having a whole new land ready by 2025. Realistically if announced soon, I would say 2026

Based on epcot construction speed, they'd need to break ground today to open something to counter universals fourth park in 2035

 

[SoFloMagic]

What are they going to talk about for an hour?

-Here's a recap of our instagram posts this week.
-Disney100 hits epcot in two weeks. Heres the cupcake
-recap stuff we already know about
-some dates if we're lucky

After the Epcot panel, they are inviting us all over to the Park…for something special…


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#latenightsplashpad

 

[CastAStone]

can someone explain to me what about Dinoland has people wanting to keep it around? Is it DINOSAUR?

It’s not the best but I do think it’s better than people make it out to be.

The Boneyard is an A+ playground.

Restaurantosaurus is underrated and has free refills which is ️

Dinosaur is indeed fun but needs piles of maintenance.

TriceraTopSpin is the best of the 4 basically identical spinner rides at WDW.

Dino Sue is very cool.

I will miss it but also I support replacing it.