Daily Beast - "Workers Reveal Disney Is Covering Up Its COVID Cases"

[HarperRose]

Yes cause this is a forum. When you click an article especially a click bait one and leads you to that website, they are getting clicks and get paid for their click baits. If you don't click, they don't get paid.

You can't form an intelligent opinion if you don't know what you're commenting on. People still try, but it rarely works in their favor.

 

[Archie123]

That’s what they want you to think.

Time to replace that tin foil hat of yours!

 

[GimpYancIent]

Time to replace that tin foil hat of yours!

So the disinformation campaign by anonymous sources is working. The pot is now stirred.

 

[Chi84]

Between the member who won’t read the article, the member who can’t understand the article, and the members who can’t seem to know how journalism works, I’m not sure it’s possible to have a beneficial conversation about the article.

You forgot the people who have nothing at all to say about the article but post anyway.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Time to replace that tin foil hat of yours!

That’s standard equipment in this case

 

[Archie123]

That’s standard equipment in this case

Heavy is the head that wears the (tinfoil) crown.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The news here is that (verified) CMs are claiming that Disney is withholding information from them re: co-workers who are out due to getting/being exposed to coronavirus. The Daily Beast isn’t saying that Disney covered anything up, its’ saying that CMs are saying it. The “anonymous” sources are not anonymous to the reporters. The reporters know who these people are and has verified that they are, in fact, CMs.

Are you serious with this? A company can't just tell employees about other employees' medical conditions.

The biggest red flag in this article is the way they play fast and loose with Downtown Disney in California and the Walt Disney World theme parks in Florida as if they're the same thing.

 

[_caleb]

Are you serious with this? A company can't just tell employees about other employees' medical conditions.

I am serious. You're aware of how contact tracing works, right? If CMs may have been exposed to the virus at work, the employer has an obligation to notify them. I'm not saying Disney should disclose an employee's medical conditions, only if an employee has been (potentially) exposed. If Disney's policy is that that COVID-positive CMs cannot come to the workplace but then they knowingly call COVID-positive CMs back to work, that's a problem.

The biggest red flag in this article is the way they play fast and loose with Downtown Disney in California and the Walt Disney World theme parks in Florida as if they're the same thing.

Can you please show me where they played "fast and loose" or confused Downtown Disney in California and WDW in Florida? Other than the opening paragraph, which mentioned the reopening of the Florida resort for the NBA bubble, I don't see mention of WDW. The only reason WDW was mentioned at all was to set up the story by contrasting a well-publicized story about reopening (the NBA bubble, which the reporter says was well-resourced) with this, lesser-known story about reopening in CA (these parks are still closed, so it may be news to readers that CMs have been reporting for work).

Did you read the article?

 

[SteamboatJoe]

There is so much labor posturing going on that its hard to decipher fact from "fact".

 

[_caleb]

There is so much labor posturing going on that its hard to decipher fact from "fact".

Huh? Do you mean labor unions?

The Daily Beast article indicates that "No one across 11 unions contacted by The Daily Beast could confirm the total number of COVID-19 cases among the workforce."

 

[Parker in NYC]

Does anyone else miss the days where you could find a news source that was fact based, non-biased and without an underlying political/social agenda? The way these "news" outlets attempt to pass speculation off as fact, and twist elements to fit their agenda, is disgusting and irresponsible.

See every vaccine “article” from here to eternity. Without the romp on the beach!

 

[SteamboatJoe]

Huh? Do you mean labor unions?

The Daily Beast article indicates that "No one across 11 unions contacted by The Daily Beast could confirm the total number of COVID-19 cases among the workforce."

No, just in general . Feels like Disney employees publicly complaining about the company is very en vogue right now.

 

[_caleb]

So the disinformation campaign by anonymous sources is working. The pot is now stirred.

What disinformation campaign? Which anonymous sources?

 

[scottieRoss]

I am serious. You're aware of how contact tracing works, right? If CMs may have been exposed to the virus at work, the employer has an obligation to notify them. I'm not saying Disney should disclose an employee's medical conditions, only if an employee has been (potentially) exposed. If Disney's policy is that that COVID-positive CMs cannot come to the workplace but then they knowingly call COVID-positive CMs back to work, that's a problem.

Can you please show me where they played "fast and loose" or confused Downtown Disney in California and WDW in Florida? Other than the opening paragraph, which mentioned the reopening of the Florida resort for the NBA bubble, I don't see mention of WDW. The only reason WDW was mentioned at all was to set up the story by contrasting a well-publicized story about reopening (the NBA bubble, which the reporter says was well-resourced) with this, lesser-known story about reopening in CA (these parks are still closed, so it may be news to readers that CMs have been reporting for work).

Did you read the article?

Just a few facts that need to be clarified
1. As was pointed out earlier. The CDC defines exposure to COVID as someone who has spent 15 continuous minutes without a mask with someone who has a confirmed Covid-19 PCR test. Their guidelines are that anyone that does not meet those requirements has "not been exposed" and subject to need for quarantine
2. If you have been exposed, you should quarantine for:
a. 14 days if you do not get a PCR test
b. until you get back a negative test results from a PCR test taken 4 days or more after exposure up to 14 days total.
c.if symptoms develop, until 5 days after onset and 24 hours after the end of fever (whichever is longer)
3. Employers are not only NOT required to tell employees if someone tests positive for COVID, they are prohibited from telling employees. They can legally only tell you if you may have been exposed (See #1 above). COVID diagnosis is private protected health information under HIPPA. Test results, however, are reported to local health officials and they can decide if they need to take further action.
4. Employers like Disney have to balance competing interests of OSHA that require a safe workplace(but do not define what that is in a pandemic) and HIPPA that prevents the disclosure of protected health information. That is part of the reason that the Senate wants to include a safe harbor for businesses in their next COVID bill.

 

[_caleb]

Just a few facts that need to be clarified
1. As was pointed out earlier. The CDC defines exposure to COVID as someone who has spent 15 continuous minutes without a mask with someone who has a confirmed Covid-19 PCR test. Their guidelines are that anyone that does not meet those requirements has "not been exposed" and subject to need for quarantine
2. If you have been exposed, you should quarantine for:
a. 14 days if you do not get a PCR test
b. until you get back a negative test results from a PCR test taken 4 days or more after exposure up to 14 days total.
c.if symptoms develop, until 5 days after onset and 24 hours after the end of fever (whichever is longer)
3. Employers are not only NOT required to tell employees if someone tests positive for COVID, they are prohibited from telling employees. They can legally only tell you if you may have been exposed (See #1 above). COVID diagnosis is private protected health information under HIPPA. Test results, however, are reported to local health officials and they can decide if they need to take further action.
4. Employers like Disney have to balance competing interests of OSHA that require a safe workplace(but do not define what that is in a pandemic) and HIPPA that prevents the disclosure of protected health information. That is part of the reason that the Senate wants to include a safe harbor for businesses in their next COVID bill.

Thanks for clarifying. This is what I had in mind (though may have done a poor job of communicating). This is also what the article in The Daily Beast says CMs are concerned is not happening at DL.

 

[Chi84]

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Just a few facts that need to be clarified
1. As was pointed out earlier. The CDC defines exposure to COVID as someone who has spent 15 continuous minutes without a mask with someone who has a confirmed Covid-19 PCR test. Their guidelines are that anyone that does not meet those requirements has "not been exposed" and subject to need for quarantine
2. If you have been exposed, you should quarantine for:
a. 14 days if you do not get a PCR test
b. until you get back a negative test results from a PCR test taken 4 days or more after exposure up to 14 days total.
c.if symptoms develop, until 5 days after onset and 24 hours after the end of fever (whichever is longer)
3. Employers are not only NOT required to tell employees if someone tests positive for COVID, they are prohibited from telling employees. They can legally only tell you if you may have been exposed (See #1 above). COVID diagnosis is private protected health information under HIPPA. Test results, however, are reported to local health officials and they can decide if they need to take further action.
4. Employers like Disney have to balance competing interests of OSHA that require a safe workplace(but do not define what that is in a pandemic) and HIPPA that prevents the disclosure of protected health information. That is part of the reason that the Senate wants to include a safe harbor for businesses in their next COVID bill.

What is your source for saying HIPAA (not HIPPA) applies? HIPAA is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act and would only apply to an employer if the employer is a health plan, a health care clearinghouse or a health care provider. If an employer shares or relies on health information, there could be grounds for a disability discrimination claim under the ADA. According to the CDC website guidelines for businesses, "If an employee is confirmed to have COVID-19, employers should inform fellow employees of their possible exposure to COVID-19 in the workplace but maintain confidentiality as required by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)." It's true that HIPAA prevents the disclosure of protected health information, but only by the entities to which it applies and it does not generally apply to employers such as Disney.

 

[Goofyernmost]

When I was in the publishing business that entire article was what we called "filler crap". Disney hiding Covid!. How and what possible difference does it make. Florida opened everything up and anyone going there, unless completely brain dead, should be aware of what is going on in Florida. No surprises! The CM's live in Florida, the rate of infection in Florida is humongous. Everyone knows that. The real news would be that no one would ever be exposed to it in WDW. The moment you arrived in Florida you are a target. It is not Disney's job to babysit all those alleged grownups about the possible dangers of setting foot in the place. In other words who cares. This whole Pandemic has not been kept a secret.

 

[_caleb]

When I was in the publishing business that entire article was what we called "filler crap". Disney hiding Covid!. How and what possible difference does it make. Florida opened everything up and anyone going there, unless completely brain dead, should be aware of what is going on in Florida. No surprises! The CM's live in Florida, the rate of infection in Florida is humongous. Everyone knows that. The real news would be that no one would ever be exposed to it in WDW. The moment you arrived in Florida you are a target. It is not Disney's job to babysit all those alleged grownups about the possible dangers of setting foot in the place. In other words who cares. This whole Pandemic has not been kept a secret.

I’d love to hear your thoughts after you’ve had a chance to read the article.

 

[GimpYancIent]

What disinformation campaign? Which anonymous sources?

Exactly! I knew you would get it.

 

[Giss Neric]

We are discussing the Daily Beast article. I understand that every click generates revenue for The Daily Beast, and you are free to click or not click the link. But if you’re not willing to read the article, you really can’t have much of value to contribute to a thread discussing the article, can you?

Yes, you are absolutely right from the start. I agree with you more than my opinions.