DisneyCane
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The most important to me is taco Bell. Can't beat happy hour for a cold drink or freeze! Much more convenient than the one on 192.
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News Crossroads Plaza Faces Demoliton
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DisneyCane
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jakeman
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I just can't in this thread anymore.
It's been a year since this surfaced. At the end of the day, if a civil engineering firm (or whoever handles traffic theory or whatever it's called) had a better plan to address traffic in that area that saved Crossroads, don't all you tinfoil hat wearers think that it would have been made public by now?
You guys enjoy your conspiracy theories and paranoid gesticulations.
It's been a year since this surfaced. At the end of the day, if a civil engineering firm (or whoever handles traffic theory or whatever it's called) had a better plan to address traffic in that area that saved Crossroads, don't all you tinfoil hat wearers think that it would have been made public by now?
You guys enjoy your conspiracy theories and paranoid gesticulations.
Casper Gutman
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Did you read the article in the OP you cited as “fact?” It explicitly mentions alternative plans, one that would have preserved Crossroads and one that would only have moved a few businesses - so yeah, they’ve been “made public.”
How many plans do you think they looked at that would have used some of Disney’s property? I bet you could handle traffic really well if you knocked down a couple hotel plaza structures.
And is Disney’s history of exerting inordinate influence over state and local government, well documented in the scholarly text I mentioned and quite common among large corporations, a “conspiracy theory” and a “paranoid gesticulation”?
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MinnieWaffles
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We've gone a 7-page thread without someone mentioning the Sweet Tomatoes that's round the back? I'll miss that one a lot for a nice plate of salad and healthy food after a week of Disney food!!
The conspiracy theorists on this thread are hilarious.
The conspiracy theorists on this thread are hilarious.
donsullivan
Premium Member
There is another Sweet Tomatoes down on 192 in Kissimmee, a couple miles west of World Drive near the Target.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
Yes, the only reason this is being discussed on a WDW message board is because the center is near WDW.
This is, far and away, the most convenient shopping center to WDW. It allows guests to get relatively cheap food and goods without really leaving the Disney bubble. I have been to WDW dozens of times and I couldn’t tell you how to find another grocery store, but I sure know Goodings - and Perkins. If you don’t think WDW is pleased to see it go, you haven’t been paying attention to WDW.
The idea that Disney, the region’s biggest employer and a financial powerhouse, doesn’t get special consideration from state and local government is infantile and ignores massive amounts of evidence.
A lot of people in this thread are arguing in very bad faith. As for getting a life... we’re ALL posting on a theme park message board. Best not to throw stones.
s8film40
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Disney buys land,
Disney develops shopping center on said land,
Disney sells shopping center and land to another company,
Government comes in and takes land and businesses for new road to in part support development brought about by Disney.
If this was intentional on Disney's part it was genius!
Disney develops shopping center on said land,
Disney sells shopping center and land to another company,
Government comes in and takes land and businesses for new road to in part support development brought about by Disney.
If this was intentional on Disney's part it was genius!
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I'm bummed about this. Loved a quick meal at Fuddruckers. Goodings was good in a pinch (no pun intended - but there's still Winn Dixie up the street). I agree with the post earlier that Disney should bring in a few mid-range chain dinning options. We already have a Benihana, Earl of Sandwich, and McDonald's on property and it would be nice to see a Friday's, Chilis, BWW, Outback, New Fudds (or the like).
Hopefully if the development over by Western Way is still being considered....maybe we'll get some of these options.
Hopefully if the development over by Western Way is still being considered....maybe we'll get some of these options.
JoeCamel
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Yes it was....
Horizons78
Grade "A" Funny...
Alright then. We didn’t want this fight, but it is upon us.
Time to chain myself to the toppings bar at Fuddruckers.
Tastiest protest ever.
Time to chain myself to the toppings bar at Fuddruckers.
Tastiest protest ever.
cheezbat
Well-Known Member
Absolutely hate that this is happening. The Taco Bell is my favorite in the Orlando area. The Fuddruckers, Tom and Chee, and Sweet Tomatoes are my favorite of those chains restaurants as well. Just ate at the Uno the other day. First time I ever got drunk was at the Chevy's there. (That's one of the last locations in central Florida.) many great memories at the Pirates Cove too.
When you have history with a particular place you hate to see it go. While I can go to Taco Bell in any city in America, it isn't the same as the better service and higher quality food I've received at this location over many others...and That particular Pirates Cove holds many great memeories.
So for those of you who just see this as 'just another shopping center', maybe you should consider places that were special to you...and think about how you'd feel if they all got torn down and taken away from you. Crossroads was a good part of the last 17 years of my life. Good times at places with friends and family.
When you have history with a particular place you hate to see it go. While I can go to Taco Bell in any city in America, it isn't the same as the better service and higher quality food I've received at this location over many others...and That particular Pirates Cove holds many great memeories.
So for those of you who just see this as 'just another shopping center', maybe you should consider places that were special to you...and think about how you'd feel if they all got torn down and taken away from you. Crossroads was a good part of the last 17 years of my life. Good times at places with friends and family.
Disney built this shopping center, so it is part of the company's history.
For tens of thousands of tourists every year, for decades, Crossroads was a major destination for food, drinks and shopping. Yes, it's a generic shopping center but for myself and many others it was an essential part of a trip to Disney. You must remember visiting Disney 20-25 years ago, Downtown Disney had few options, the Dining Plan didn't exist (mercifully) and way more people had vehicles. With all of this combined, people would frequently drive their cars to real restaurants and bars, just off property. Add to this the fact that for many Disney Cast Members, particularly those in the College Program, relegated to Vista Way or Chatham, Crossroads was a place to grab a quick bite and escape the Disney bubble.
It's become less necessary with time and is a product of its age, but the reason people speak of it with such passion is that there is somewhat of a nostalgia factor tied into it al.
MinnieM123
Premium Member
We all have our special memories of that place, for various reasons.
This was over 20 years ago, but one of my fondest food memories was from a restaurant (don't recall the name) located in the Crossroads Shopping Plaza. A friend of mine who lived nearby WDW, took me there for dinner one evening. I don't remember my entree, but what stood out in my mind, all these years since, was that I had the BEST slice of Key Lime Pie!
Ever since, I've tried Key Lime Pie in other restaurants, but they just can't compare to that one heavenly slice I had so many years ago. LOL . . . 
ryguy
Well-Known Member
Totally get what your saying here. In its hey day it was a nice place to go and eat and get some groceries. Kinda has lost it's luster now. I think I would rather have the new road system because of how bad it can get in that area. Really should have been done years and years ago.
Something that has happened to literally everyone. Older you get, the more it will happen. Keep the memories and move on.
Rich Brownn
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There's even a more nostalgic connection - the land where Crossroads is was once the first area Disney had opened to the public..... way back when it was where the trailers were for the initial hiring (even before Hotel Row was built).
Casper Gutman
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You seem to be confusing your subjective memories with those of other posters.
People are moaning because A) they do have feelings of nostalgia for Crossroads and fandom, which drives this board, is enormously dependent on nostalgia; this makes it particularly noteworthy that for 20 years or so WDW has made a habit of blithely ripping apart objects of nostalgia (GMR, UoE, WoM, Horizons, Imagination, Toad, Snow White, Poly, well-themed hotels, etc., etc.). This is a pattern.
B) The Crossroads offered an affordable alternative to the increasingly absurdly overpriced food on WDW property. It also offered items no place at WDW sells. The proximity was vital, particularly for guests, tired from a day in the park, who didn’t want to drive significant distances through unfamiliar city streets to find cheap (or available) goods and services. However you look at it, that proximity is why it is being destroyed.
One interesting question; what reason did Disney give for selling the land?
Casper Gutman
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For fans of WDW at its peak, it happens A LOT.
Fudrucker's is the only thing I will miss, but there are now so many other good burger places now that I am fairly certain I will get over it with a minimal amount of therapy.