Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

[CastAStone]

I am now going back and listening the the episodes from the start of the pandemic. It's interesting to go back and follow the story in retrospect.

Gosh once I start commuting again I might do that! It sounds fascinating.

 

[danlb_2000]

Pfizer has data showing their vaccine can be stored for two weeks at -5F. They are seeking FDA approval for this.

Pfizer asks FDA to approve storing Covid vaccine doses at higher temperatures

If the FDA grants Pfizer's request, it could make it easier to distribute the vaccine across the U.S.

www.cnbc.com

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Pfizer has data showing their vaccine can be stored for two weeks at -5F. They are seeking FDA approval for this.

Pfizer asks FDA to approve storing Covid vaccine doses at higher temperatures

If the FDA grants Pfizer's request, it could make it easier to distribute the vaccine across the U.S.

www.cnbc.com

"We can't keep up with demand."

"We need approval for a new way to store inventory for two weeks."

Both of those things can't be true.

 

[Seanual757]

Busier day for me so behind. I think being cautious with time lines is wise. I think we can see outdoor mask restrictions lightened. My kid is already going back to school full time this spring (though masks except eating and distancing in cohorts during lunch) . They are planning for Hamilton in fall here even. It could change but I am hopeful for a more normal summer.

Pretty sure Disney will keep current restrictions in place for the remainder of the year including masks. For Disney things have been working well. I could see them reducing the 6ft and park capacity but keeping masks in place until the end of the year. Too hard to determine who has had a vaccine unless you show your card and even that will be touchy.

I would like to see them bring back the two parties this year this can be done safely as they are doing now...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

My kid is already going back to school full time this spring (though masks except eating and distancing in cohorts during lunch).

"Already"? We've been in school full time since August.

 

[danlb_2000]

"We can't keep up with demand."

"We need approval for a new way to store inventory for two weeks."

Both of those things can't be true.

Those are two totally different issues. The first is about manufacturing capacity, the second is about how the vaccine can be handled when it get's to it's destination. Having a higher storage temperature will make the distribution logistics easier and maybe expand the places where the vaccine can be administered.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Those are two totally different issues. The first is about manufacturing capacity, the second is about how the vaccine can be handled when it get's to it's destination. Having a higher storage temperature will make the distribution logistics easier and maybe expand the places where the vaccine can be administered.

Didn't we solve that already? Send Moderna to the trouble spots and send Pfizer to the high density spots.

 

[danlb_2000]

Didn't we solve that already? Send Moderna to the trouble spots and send Pfizer to the high density spots.

More flexibility never hurts.

 

[ToTBellHop]

"We can't keep up with demand."

"We need approval for a new way to store inventory for two weeks."

Both of those things can't be true.

They can if the first is an immediate issue and the second is for a future concern. It took the FDA weeks to approve the 6-dose per vial request. They’ll want to review data on this and perhaps approve it by 4/1, when it makes sense as a goal.

 

[CastAStone]

Didn't we solve that already? Send Moderna to the trouble spots and send Pfizer to the high density spots.

Why not get the Pfizer approved at -5 and not have to spend resources worrying about it? My freezer in the basement can hit that temperature.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Why not get the Pfizer approved at -5 and not have to spend resources worrying about it? My freezer in the basement can hit that temperature.

Also, say the fancy freezer breaks. Right now, you need to rush the vaccines into arms or toss them. With this update, just toss them in any normal freezer and use them tomorrow. And, as you suggest, we are administering about 1.7 million doses per day now. We need to ramp up further to 4 million per day by April. This makes that more practical.

McDonald’s could legitimately function as a clinic and store vaccine next to frozen McNuggets. #OuchieThenNuggie

 

[MisterPenguin]

I imagine the thawing out process would be much quicker.

 

[danlb_2000]

Why not get the Pfizer approved at -5 and not have to spend resources worrying about it? My freezer in the basement can hit that temperature.

Vaccine party at @CastAStone's house!

 

[CastAStone]

Vaccine party at @CastAStone's house!

I’m already vaccinated and my wife is a veterinarian so she does vaccines every day. Let’s do it!

 

[correcaminos]

"Already"? We've been in school full time since August.

Good for you? Sorry failing to understand your point

Pretty sure Disney will keep current restrictions in place for the remainder of the year including masks. For Disney things have been working well. I could see them reducing the 6ft and park capacity but keeping masks in place until the end of the year. Too hard to determine who has had a vaccine unless you show your card and even that will be touchy.

I would like to see them bring back the two parties this year this can be done safely as they are doing now...

My comments were generic, and not Disney specific, sorry for confusing. But my post was about changes as a whole.

As for Disney, I am really unsure if Disney can keep enforcing as time goes on and crowds can grow tbh. I have a friend on Facebook who posted every single pic of them maskless though. Inside Epcot right at the entrance, in MouseGears, outside of food kiosks. Etc. This was a few days ago and it has me wondering.

Much like schools, there is no way they can increase capacity and keep 6' though. If we keep distancing and masks I do not see parties returning this year

Why not get the Pfizer approved at -5 and not have to spend resources worrying about it? My freezer in the basement can hit that temperature.

Get it approved? That's not how this works...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Fauci now says we might have vaccine results for high schoolers by fall and ages 5-11 in “a year”. Good grief. That seems unreasonable to me. It didn’t take a year to get these vaccines from discovery to market in the first place...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Fauci now says we might have vaccine results for high schoolers by fall and ages 5-11 in “a year”. Good grief. That seems unreasonable to me. It didn’t take a year to get these vaccines from discovery to market in the first place...

I mean... who cares? The risk for those groups is statistically zero.

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I said "STATISTICALLY zero," not "completely, totally, literally, absolute zero."

 

[sullyinMT]

Those are two totally different issues. The first is about manufacturing capacity, the second is about how the vaccine can be handled when it get's to it's destination. Having a higher storage temperature will make the distribution logistics easier and maybe expand the places where the vaccine can be administered.

Not to mention, more freezers already available that could increase storage. Then they could manufacture quickly and keep up with demand. While they're different issues, they are somewhat intertwined. This also really helps rural/neighborhood health clinics and pharmacies with standard med freezers to receive more doses from state distribution.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I mean... who cares? The risk for those groups is statistically zero.

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I said "STATISTICALLY zero," not "completely, totally, literally, absolute zero."

Well, it means we are giving up on herd immunity. So they need to stop talking about it, then.

 

[correcaminos]

Fauci now says we might have vaccine results for high schoolers by fall and ages 5-11 in “a year”. Good grief. That seems unreasonable to me. It didn’t take a year to get these vaccines from discovery to market in the first place...

Except they have to go through trials once the teen group is done. Plus he's making guesses. Once they start enrolling kids we'll have a better idea.

Trials began about 5-6 months before approval if my math is right.