-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Country Bears????
- Thread starter Wade
- Start date
General Grizz
New Member
Much agreed.
General Grizz
New Member
What time of day, and did you see the show? What was the exact date?
Poncho1973
New Member
I'm sorry to make this personal, but you are such a pain in the rear!
Please note that downtimes in attendance happen OFTEN at some of these older/less glamorous attractions. You aren't the end-all/be-all of attendance.
I've personally seen CBJ with next to nil attendance MANY times. I've seen it stuffed beyond the doors more times than I can count as well.
General Grizz
New Member
Thank you! Evening would explain it, I suppose.
Edit: Also - - many guests judge the attraction's attendance by taking a look at the queue while not going into the attraction. Usually when this is the case, the theater has just loaded (maximum 332), and an empty queue is left for a few minutes. On regular days, the area would be filled by 5 minutes to showtime (with a 12 minute of gatherings). The same case is similar to Carousel of Progress, but this would typically recieve less guests per theater because of the constant 5 minute load cycles.
(Poncho - hope this doesn't sound like B.S. The information comes from hours of being in the queue area - I admit to that - and during all parts of the year, as well as information gathered by emails from Cast Members.)
To put this in more technical terms: "The OHRC for the jamboree is 996 per hour. This number is based upon the theater capacity (332) and a goal to average three shows per hours. . . [t]hirteen hours times 996 per hour is nearly 13,000 potential. Hitting nearly 10,000 is great and makes for a busy day."
GenerationX
Well-Known Member
In my case, the next generation (my 4, 6, and 8 year old kids) saw this ... and were bored silly. My wife and I were also not entertained by this attraction. If CBJ still has "high" attendance figures (debatable), I would bet that is due to its nostalgic value. This attraction needs a major infusion of humor, dazzle, and/or memorable music. Or be replaced by an attraction that has those attributes.
cindy_k
Well-Known Member
I think this depends on the child too. My 10 year old saw it and was highly entertained. Especially by the old Bear and his non-politically correct song.
*strum* there was blood on the ground *strum* blood on the ground.
We walked around singing bear jamboree songs for the next day or so and we'd cracking up laughing everytime.
Cindy in NY
aimster
Active Member
:: breaks into song ::
Mama don't whup little Buford
Mama don't pound on his heeeaaad
Mama don't whup little Buford
I think you should shoot him instead...
BANG!
Yep we got nothin' but high-class stuff on this show.
Hey, could someone possibly make me an avatar of Henry? He's always been my fave of the bears.
Mama don't whup little Buford
Mama don't pound on his heeeaaad
Mama don't whup little Buford
I think you should shoot him instead...
BANG!
Yep we got nothin' but high-class stuff on this show.
Hey, could someone possibly make me an avatar of Henry? He's always been my fave of the bears.
SirGoofy
Member
Before Splash came around and before I rode Space(I used to be a scaredy cat lol), this was my favorite attraction at MK. It is funny and extremely entertaining. If it is ever replced I would seriously protest. They've already gottoen rid of JII and Horizons, and I'm at the breaking point.
General Grizz
New Member
That's the magic of the Magic Kingdom - there's something for everyone ("in Disney bounds" :lookaroun
).How's this for Henry?
Disney Hog
New Member
I don't think they need to replace it, but rather update it a little. My kids were fairly confused after seeing the show. They love the movie and know all of the characters (in the movie). When we were watching the show my 8, 6 and 3 year-old kept asking when they would see the country bears.
We have been to Disney World a lot of times and always skipped the show because we weren't very interested. So, when we went in February and since the kids love the movie, we decided to see it. As a first-time viewer I felt it was lacking. The sound system did seem to be sub-par and overall it wasn't great. Of course, this is my personal opinion as I do not have deep childhood memories that attach me to this ride.
Growing up in Houston, I would go to Astroworld all of the time and they had something there 25 years ago called the Longhorn Stampede Review. It was apparently a knockoff of the CBJ, but it was much better.
In my opinion, I would rather see an update with the new characters they had in the movie instead of getting rid of it all together. I think Disney has raised expectations of the younger viewer who's only exposure to the Country Bears is the movie. After seeing the movie, its hard to accept the old version. It would be the same thing if Steamboat Willie's Mickey started to host the House of Mouse. My kids would probably stop watching.
O.K. Grizz- Let me have it.
We have been to Disney World a lot of times and always skipped the show because we weren't very interested. So, when we went in February and since the kids love the movie, we decided to see it. As a first-time viewer I felt it was lacking. The sound system did seem to be sub-par and overall it wasn't great. Of course, this is my personal opinion as I do not have deep childhood memories that attach me to this ride.
Growing up in Houston, I would go to Astroworld all of the time and they had something there 25 years ago called the Longhorn Stampede Review. It was apparently a knockoff of the CBJ, but it was much better.
In my opinion, I would rather see an update with the new characters they had in the movie instead of getting rid of it all together. I think Disney has raised expectations of the younger viewer who's only exposure to the Country Bears is the movie. After seeing the movie, its hard to accept the old version. It would be the same thing if Steamboat Willie's Mickey started to host the House of Mouse. My kids would probably stop watching.
O.K. Grizz- Let me have it.
mickhyperion
Active Member
I love the Country Bear Jamboree!
One problem with the audio that I've noticed is in the finale - the bear band seems to be be too low. The vocals are loud enough, but the band isn't.
One problem with the audio that I've noticed is in the finale - the bear band seems to be be too low. The vocals are loud enough, but the band isn't.
General Grizz
New Member
*Grizz starts examining war options against Disney Hog*. . .
*recalls Cranium Command scene*
Ahem. Uh, what was that?
As far as the MOVIE goes. . . here's the thing. It was at fault. Although I'm sure many families who saw it were delighted, the film was a "Disney failure" as far as popularity/outcome was. The roots of the Country Bears is what it is exactly right now. And I fear that any movie tie-in would lower attendance (mostly because a chunk of the fans who come aren't looking for something 'high-tech' or 'hip,' but something original. . . again, nostalgia is a big factor - but nostalgia is the biggest factor for the Magic Kingdom itself anyway, no?)
I digress.
If Disney wants to do something with bears (modernize, use the movie characters), they have *two sets* of animatronics to work with that were taken out from Disneyland. Do something at Disneyland. Disney's California Adventure. But to close down the first 'Magic Kingdom original hit' which has great attendance, that'd be a VERY bad decision on any level (minus for the fans who actually want to experience the movie "in person").
I am sorry that your kids's dreams didn't come true. Unfortunately, Disney changed history. . . but this change would escalate to the stress of the 32 year growing majority (and the new generations) who gr(e/o)w up with bears and the Magic Kingdom.
But, take a look at what they're doing with "it's a small world" - enhancements, new lighting, new sound. That's always a welcome improvement.
If it were my way, I'd keep the show exactly how it is, remove the animatronics, reconstruct their personalities to the highest technological degree, and redo the audio system. The threat with closing the bears, now, is the scary factor of the Enchanted Tiki Room - Under New Management (a long term failure) that Disney could possibly take with Walt Disney World's bears. I'm sure that the Tiki Room will have to undergo FURTHER changes because of its current status.
Meanwhile, bears are at a high. I'm trying to rack up this weekend's attendance figures - - wish me luck.
By the way, check out the Christmas show next time - - you may find it more entertaining.
*recalls Cranium Command scene*
Ahem. Uh, what was that?
As far as the MOVIE goes. . . here's the thing. It was at fault. Although I'm sure many families who saw it were delighted, the film was a "Disney failure" as far as popularity/outcome was. The roots of the Country Bears is what it is exactly right now. And I fear that any movie tie-in would lower attendance (mostly because a chunk of the fans who come aren't looking for something 'high-tech' or 'hip,' but something original. . . again, nostalgia is a big factor - but nostalgia is the biggest factor for the Magic Kingdom itself anyway, no?)
I digress.
If Disney wants to do something with bears (modernize, use the movie characters), they have *two sets* of animatronics to work with that were taken out from Disneyland. Do something at Disneyland. Disney's California Adventure. But to close down the first 'Magic Kingdom original hit' which has great attendance, that'd be a VERY bad decision on any level (minus for the fans who actually want to experience the movie "in person").
I am sorry that your kids's dreams didn't come true. Unfortunately, Disney changed history. . . but this change would escalate to the stress of the 32 year growing majority (and the new generations) who gr(e/o)w up with bears and the Magic Kingdom.
But, take a look at what they're doing with "it's a small world" - enhancements, new lighting, new sound. That's always a welcome improvement.
If it were my way, I'd keep the show exactly how it is, remove the animatronics, reconstruct their personalities to the highest technological degree, and redo the audio system. The threat with closing the bears, now, is the scary factor of the Enchanted Tiki Room - Under New Management (a long term failure) that Disney could possibly take with Walt Disney World's bears. I'm sure that the Tiki Room will have to undergo FURTHER changes because of its current status.
Meanwhile, bears are at a high. I'm trying to rack up this weekend's attendance figures - - wish me luck.
By the way, check out the Christmas show next time - - you may find it more entertaining.
BalooChicago
Well-Known Member
No, in all seriousness. Don't get me wrong, I love WDW, been there every other year since I was 2, and am going in 6 days with my Fiancée, who has never been, but were WDW to lose any of those three rides it would loose it's "Disney"ness to me and I would stop going. And I am stubborn enough to do it too
(There are a bunch of other rides that a combined loss would do it for me too...COP... BTMRR... Space Mountain... Mainly Magic Kingdom rides...)
Disney Hog
New Member
Thanks for going easy on me Grizz.
I agree that it is Disney's fault that they recreated the Bears and have in turn created their own conflict. That was merely an example from my young children and could lead to declines as that generation grows older. The movie was a flop, but the video sales were pretty good. We never saw it in the theatre, but it is shown in our house probably once a week.
I like your aproach to a rehab. Put new technology in it in order to spice it up. I think Disney even made a jab at their own ride in the Goofy Movie. It indirectly made a joke out of an old antiquated animatronic possum show that the parent loved and the children did not. My fear is that it could stay too nostalgic for too long and ultimately get the chop.
My point was, do something before it is too late. Do something before it is cheaper to junk it. I think your idea could be dead on.
I agree that a lot of people like it and I hope they never get rid of it. I hope people continue to see it to at least encourage a high-tech rehab.
I agree that it is Disney's fault that they recreated the Bears and have in turn created their own conflict. That was merely an example from my young children and could lead to declines as that generation grows older. The movie was a flop, but the video sales were pretty good. We never saw it in the theatre, but it is shown in our house probably once a week.
I like your aproach to a rehab. Put new technology in it in order to spice it up. I think Disney even made a jab at their own ride in the Goofy Movie. It indirectly made a joke out of an old antiquated animatronic possum show that the parent loved and the children did not. My fear is that it could stay too nostalgic for too long and ultimately get the chop.
My point was, do something before it is too late. Do something before it is cheaper to junk it. I think your idea could be dead on.
I agree that a lot of people like it and I hope they never get rid of it. I hope people continue to see it to at least encourage a high-tech rehab.
General Grizz
New Member
*shakes hands*
Thank you for your visionary sacrifice. If it were my choice, I'd have Disney hire the Country Bear body suits from the movie visit your house for a day and execute my plan, but what can I do? :hammer:
Disney Hog
New Member
One more point when dealing with the Country Bears Movie.
Since it was a flop and since Pirates of the Carribean and the Haunted Mansion were good movies, does this send a message to the higher ups that this is the opinion of the population in general?
Since they do not have a good feel for the pulse of their park guests lately, would this be something that they would consider?
Didn't Mr. Toad's Wild Ride flop and the ride closed shortly thereafter?
Just a watch out. I would hate a ride like this to be blindsided as it is apparent that so many people do like it.
Since it was a flop and since Pirates of the Carribean and the Haunted Mansion were good movies, does this send a message to the higher ups that this is the opinion of the population in general?
Since they do not have a good feel for the pulse of their park guests lately, would this be something that they would consider?
Didn't Mr. Toad's Wild Ride flop and the ride closed shortly thereafter?
Just a watch out. I would hate a ride like this to be blindsided as it is apparent that so many people do like it.
General Grizz
New Member
LMAO WOODY!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haunted Mansion didn't do nearly as well as Pirates of the Caribbean, but Bears just didn't hold the "appeal." By what I see at Walt Disney World, it's not a reflection of the attraction.
In fact, attraction attendance soared up in 2002 and 2003 after the movie (which is quite interesting). That, or it could have been the general increase in MK attendance (which seems to be at a peak right now).
Haunted Mansion didn't do nearly as well as Pirates of the Caribbean, but Bears just didn't hold the "appeal." By what I see at Walt Disney World, it's not a reflection of the attraction.
In fact, attraction attendance soared up in 2002 and 2003 after the movie (which is quite interesting). That, or it could have been the general increase in MK attendance (which seems to be at a peak right now).