Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Well if it works……….still immoral in my mind. Still bribery by another name.

What's immoral is Krispy Kreme's incentive to get a shot, a free glazed donut everyday for 2021 at KK locations just by showing your vaccination card.

 

[Communicora]

Welcome to Florida folks. Where fewer than half of the 12-15 year olds have been vaccinated. Where there was little to no encouragement for them do to so. Where schools open in a couple of weeks without mask mandates, allowing the Delta variant plenty of fuel to spread at will infecting scores of parents and grandparents. Not to mention the kids themselves. Where hospitals are filling up, cases are running rampant and local officials scramble to look for solutions in a state where a whole lot of people don’t give a )&*%# about anyone but themselves.

Do I sound angry? You bet. Thanks to stubborn and unvaccinated workers at my mother-in-law’s nursing home, she and an entire wing of residents have now tested positive for COVID.

She is an Alzheimer’s patient and was one of the first to get the vaccine when it became available. Fortunately she is asymptomatic so far. She and the other vaccinated residents have been moved to a separate isolated wing of the home.

The unvaccinated have all been taken to the hospital.

So a big hearty thank you to those selfish and stupid individuals who think their “personal” decision not to vaccinate affects only them. Bravo for standing up for your “freedom.” The frail and elderly among us be damned.

We cancelled our vacation last week over this mess of a state we live in. Now we have to share this latest development with our children, and try to console my father-in-law who is furious and apoplectic. And heartbroken. Thanks to the callous lack of concern we find ourselves surrounded by here. Good day
to all and if you’re not willing to be part of the solution, sit down and be quiet. Because regardless of what some may think we are all in this mess together. That is all.

I'm so sorry. Alzheimer's is such a cruel disease and it is horrific to now have the extra worry associated with COVID. Thank you for sharing your story. I'll keep your family in my prayers.

 

[GoofGoof]

The pandemic could end tomorrow if everyone stood up against the real enemies, not each other.

….and got the vaccine. Agreed, it’s real simple

 

[Flugell]

Honestly what else is left to try? You can see what we're fighting against. I'd gladly donate to the cause if more people got vaccinated

I understand that completely and like everyone else haven’t got an answer. It just seems like a slippery slope and if people receive money for this- what else will they expect to be paid for?
If it goes ahead I truly hope it works but it could also be counter productive.
“Look how the authorities are trying to control us now! They want to pay us to give up our liberties and freedoms.” Can see it happening but hope greed wins.
Just can’t fathom out why people are anti Vaccination, understand the people that are fearful and genuinely anxious. Don’t think paying them will ease their fears though.
Wishing the “incentive payment” success though.

 

[sullyinMT]

Tax the ever-loving hell out of people who are medically able, but refuse to vaccinate. They're prolonging the pandemic and it's associated costs - let them pay for it.

We already vice tax other stupid to poor decisions like smoking, so I don’t disagree with this. Premiums should go up like 200% next year for each member of a plan that won’t get vaccinated. If they’re driving costs, they should pay. Even if the insurance companies need to legally pose it as a “credit,” every member of a plan 12+ (or whatever the age is by enrollment deadlines in Oct or Nov) should pay more. Heck, make that a thing for ALL vaccines, so that we don’t have a totally avoidable resurgence of a preventable disease in 20 years.

 

[Flugell]

What's immoral is Krispy Kreme's incentive to get a shot, a free glazed donut everyday for 2021 at KK locations just by showing your vaccination card.

Genuinely don’t understand why a company offering free donuts to the vaccinated (all) is immoral but paying the non vaccinated- if through choice - money to get vaccinated is acceptable.

 

[HeartOfTeFiti]

I’m ready for my Pfizer booster. Just say the word and I’ll get in line.

I just want a booster of any one of them. I had one J&J, and yes, I know some of you have told me not to worry about it, I'm covered, but I do worry about it, a lot!

 

[Lilofan]

Tax the ever-loving hell out of people who are medically able, but refuse to vaccinate. They're prolonging the pandemic and it's associated costs - let them pay for it.

Carnival and Royal Caribbean are on board requiring unvax to buy travel insurance and pay cruise line covid test prior to boarding.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I just want a booster of any one of them. I had one J&J, and yes, I know some of you have told me not to worry about it, I'm covered, but I do worry about it, a lot!

The sad face is for your worry...I'm sorry.

 

[Touchdown]

Next 5 years: Raise everyone over 18 taxes by $5000 a year uniformaly, then provide for a $5000 tax credit if you can prove your vaccinated or have a medical reason not to be. Still like this idea.

 

[correcaminos]

Tax the ever-loving hell out of people who are medically able, but refuse to vaccinate. They're prolonging the pandemic and it's associated costs - let them pay for it.

Valid... I cannot say I hate it but would rather see an incentive than punish. That's me though.

I understand that completely and like everyone else haven’t got an answer. It just seems like a slippery slope and if people receive money for this- what else will they expect to be paid for?
If it goes ahead I truly hope it works but it could also be counter productive.
“Look how the authorities are trying to control us now! They want to pay us to give up our liberties and freedoms.” Can see it happening but hope greed wins.
Just can’t fathom out why people are anti Vaccination, understand the people that are fearful and genuinely anxious. Don’t think paying them will ease their fears though.
Wishing the “incentive payment” success though.

Welcome to America? I'll be honest, I've been paid for the trial. I'd give it all up to another if they vaccinated.

I do understand fears and anxiety of course. I just cannot tell if some are that afraid or if it's something else that incentives would help. Incentive to end this pandemic here so we can work globally should be enough, but it's not.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Valid... I cannot say I hate it but would rather see an incentive than punish. That's me though.


Welcome to America? I'll be honest, I've been paid for the trial. I'd give it all up to another if they vaccinated.

I do understand fears and anxiety of course. I just cannot tell if some are that afraid or if it's something else that incentives would help. Incentive to end this pandemic here so we can work globally should be enough, but it's not.

I've seen so much purposeful and willful ignorance that I'm done with carrots. Get the carriage whip out, baby.

 

[HeartOfTeFiti]

Welcome to Florida folks. Where fewer than half of the 12-15 year olds have been vaccinated. Where there was little to no encouragement for them do to so. Where schools open in a couple of weeks without mask mandates, allowing the Delta variant plenty of fuel to spread at will infecting scores of parents and grandparents. Not to mention the kids themselves. Where hospitals are filling up, cases are running rampant and local officials scramble to look for solutions in a state where a whole lot of people don’t give a )&*%# about anyone but themselves.

Do I sound angry? You bet. Thanks to stubborn and unvaccinated workers at my mother-in-law’s nursing home, she and an entire wing of residents have now tested positive for COVID.

She is an Alzheimer’s patient and was one of the first to get the vaccine when it became available. Fortunately she is asymptomatic so far. She and the other vaccinated residents have been moved to a separate isolated wing of the home.

The unvaccinated have all been taken to the hospital.

So a big hearty thank you to those selfish and stupid individuals who think their “personal” decision not to vaccinate affects only them. Bravo for standing up for your “freedom.” The frail and elderly among us be damned.

We cancelled our vacation last week over this mess of a state we live in. Now we have to share this latest development with our children, and try to console my father-in-law who is furious and apoplectic. And heartbroken. Thanks to the callous lack of concern we find ourselves surrounded by here. Good day
to all and if you’re not willing to be part of the solution, sit down and be quiet. Because regardless of what some may think we are all in this mess together. That is all.

Wow. That's terrible. I am so sorry. Positive thoughts and well wishes to your mother in law, and your entire family.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m ready for my Pfizer booster. Just say the word and I’ll get in line.

We're testing.... many may not need it though! It's really not bad if you do though. Not as severe as 2nd shot.

 

[sullyinMT]

I understand that completely and like everyone else haven’t got an answer. It just seems like a slippery slope and if people receive money for this- what else will they expect to be paid for?
If it goes ahead I truly hope it works but it could also be counter productive.
“Look how the authorities are trying to control us now! They want to pay us to give up our liberties and freedoms.” Can see it happening but hope greed wins.
Just can’t fathom out why people are anti Vaccination, understand the people that are fearful and genuinely anxious. Don’t think paying them will ease their fears though.
Wishing the “incentive payment” success though.

To your first thought, I now see why you’re so opposed to or concerned about the payouts. Perhaps because we’re so desensitized to government programs/payouts for so many other aspects in our lives, is why there’s a kind of numb reaction to this one.

I see what you’re saying, I really do. I’d just rather have my state/jurisdiction do something like this than have my taxes increase to pay for gov’t healthcare subsidies for the willfully sick. Kind of similar to why I’d rather those same subsidy programs my taxes help provide pay for addiction treatment and mental health than pay for their aftermath.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Welcome to Florida folks. Where fewer than half of the 12-15 year olds have been vaccinated. Where there was little to no encouragement for them do to so. Where schools open in a couple of weeks without mask mandates, allowing the Delta variant plenty of fuel to spread at will infecting scores of parents and grandparents. Not to mention the kids themselves. Where hospitals are filling up, cases are running rampant and local officials scramble to look for solutions in a state where a whole lot of people don’t give a )&*%# about anyone but themselves.

Do I sound angry? You bet. Thanks to stubborn and unvaccinated workers at my mother-in-law’s nursing home, she and an entire wing of residents have now tested positive for COVID.

She is an Alzheimer’s patient and was one of the first to get the vaccine when it became available. Fortunately she is asymptomatic so far. She and the other vaccinated residents have been moved to a separate isolated wing of the home.

The unvaccinated have all been taken to the hospital.

So a big hearty thank you to those selfish and stupid individuals who think their “personal” decision not to vaccinate affects only them. Bravo for standing up for your “freedom.” The frail and elderly among us be damned.

We cancelled our vacation last week over this mess of a state we live in. Now we have to share this latest development with our children, and try to console my father-in-law who is furious and apoplectic. And heartbroken. Thanks to the callous lack of concern we find ourselves surrounded by here. Good day
to all and if you’re not willing to be part of the solution, sit down and be quiet. Because regardless of what some may think we are all in this mess together. That is all.

I'm so sorry for you and your family and MIL and will keep you all in my thoughts. I've had to watch a few family members regress and lose their memories...such a painful thing.

 

[Turtlekrawl]

Pfizer’s 2nd Quarter presentation lightly describes a number of interesting areas they are pursuing including trials of covid treatments, early covid booster vaccine trial results ( non delta), lyme disease, mrna flu shots, etc.

https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021-Earnings-Charts-FINAL.pdf

I saw that and almost posted it too. Booster results are quite interesting. Potential for ”100 fold increase in delta neutralization post 3rd dose.”

Sounds impressive.

But… only 23 people in study, not peer reviewed, presented at earnings conference…

Will wait and see if that data holds up.

 

[DisneyFan32]

What is there to gain from closing businesses down and stopping the world in its tracks? What is the political gain in that? I really want an answer to what there is to gain. Wouldn’t it be more profitable for everyone to just open everything up, kill the restrictions, and sail forth? Or do you think this is all a pharmaceutical conspiracy?

I usually detest asking so many questions - especially when they sound like ultimatums. But I really really really really want to know what is to be gained, economically and politically from trying “to milk” this thing for all its worth. Virtue signaling? Is that it? That’s great when 500 restaurants and shops have shut down in NYC. But yes, let’s throw them under the bus to prove some political point?

I think many restaurants and shops will be reopening by September/October or November as the virus cases are so low as many people are vaccinated in NYC and NJ. I'm also expecting transportation such as Amtrak, NJ Transit as subway trains, buses and planes will stop using masks by this fall.

 

[sullyinMT]

Next 5 years: Raise everyone over 18 taxes by $5000 a year uniformaly, then provide for a $5000 tax credit if you can prove your vaccinated or have a medical reason not to be. Still like this idea.

How would you feel about a 10-20% “plus up” of the Child Tax Credit for minor dependents who are vaccinated? I know it’s not the same thing as what you’re proposing, but do you think we should be driving the needle on vaccinating everyone or just adults?

It’s an honest question. I think my answer would be different in light of different levels of community transmission.
-ETA: I’m more understanding of a parent being a little hesitant with a new vaccine and their child. I’ve lost patience for adults.

 

[Disney Experience]

I saw that and almost posted it too. Booster results are quite interesting. Potential for ”100 fold increase in delta neutralization post 3rd dose.”

Sounds impressive.

But… only 23 people in study, not peer reviewed, presented at earnings conference…

Will wait and see if that data holds up.

Yes I agree with all of your points such as it is a small sample size.

I was also interested to see they are working on a covid therapy(Oral COVID-19 Protease Inhibitor). Phase 2/3 study started with EUA in time for Christmas. May be good across a broad range of coronaviruses.

First in Class Science: Oral COVID-19 Protease Inhibitor
• HighSARS-CoV2 mutational rate, continued global impact & vaccine hesitancy creates likely sustained need for therapeutic
• Addressable market maybe up to 100s of millions of patients which include high risk, low risk and close contact
• Development plan for Pfizer’s protease inhibitor is designed to evaluate potential impact on these populations
•3CL protease is virally encoded protein that is essential to the viral lifecycle across a broad spectrum of coronaviruses with no close human analogue
• Goal to reduce SARS-CoV-2 viral load and decrease or prevent symptoms of COVID-19
• Oral Inhibitor exhibits potent in vitro antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2(single and combo use)
‒ Anti-viral activity seen across multiple coronaviruses and potentially all known COVID-19 variants
• Oral inhibitor shows robust preclinical antiviral effect and good preclinical safety profile
• Enabled by >100x selectivity for coronavirus 3CL proteases vs human proteases
• Good tolerability, no safety findings up to dose of 500 mg twice a day with ritonavir / 10days in healthy volunteers
• Phase 1 pharmacokinetics studies indicate exposure >5xEC90 for antiviral effects
• Phase 2/3 study started Jul.2021; Potential US EUA submission Q4 2021
COVID-19: Coronavirus Disease 2019; SARS-CoV-2: Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2; 3CL: 3C-like; EC90: 90% effective concentration