Great so we can’t reach herd immunity until 99%.
Choices are mitigate forever or let it rip.
So what do we choose?
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Great so we can’t reach herd immunity until 99%.
Choices are mitigate forever or let it rip.
So what do we choose?
Polkadotdress
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Disney Experience
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Wife is Moderna Phase 3 trial her second shot was mid October ( Literally halfway through our honeymoon).
She did not get symptomatic covid while she took care of me. But she was not tested either. ( I kept the room I convalesced in at a negative pressure and the AC has a RGF remi-halo to sanitize with hydrogen peroxide).
Disney Experience
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I read the thread and one of the linked papers (https://virological.org/t/viral-inf...ak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724)
Interesting read.
I can speculate more that I had delta in mid-June from some of the differences described in that paper. I had very high ct of 23.51 ( ie viral load 2000x the average original covid load.) as well as very fast onset of symptoms relative estimated exposure (2-3 days). That correlated to delta more than other variants.
Delta definitely makes achieving herd immunity harder. Papers ( ie not primary source material) in India are less concerned about Kappa. Both delta and kappa have been in India and they feel delta is winning the selective bias competition. Then again kappa’s advantage in vaccine escape may not be much of an advantage in a low vaccine rate country. Delta’s other advantages seem to win in India.
disneygeek90
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I’m tired.
Ahh look a chart of completely preventable infections!
If anyone wants to put forth an argument that the education system in the country is working just show them these charts.
I have zero eduction I mean none, some of my pets may be smarter than me, yet somehow I was still able to ascertain that the vaccine was a good idea.
What does that say about these people?
Is the education system so bad that you are better off without one?
What In the actual heck is going on?
This is beyond absurd and defies any explanation.
I don't think this is true of all of the people "who cared to mask up and social distance in the first place." Some will go back to pre-vaccination behavior, many will not. Human behavior is never cut and dried.
Improving the vaccines was also on the list.
Best choice is to vaccinate EVERYONE, while working on improvements to the vaccine. And yes, mitigate as necessary — but we have enough vaccine and infrastructure, we could get everyone vaccinated within a month.
Actually, if you read the whole thing — it’s 98% might not be enough. If the vaccine effectiveness is under 85%, and or the R0 is over 6, then it would be mathematically impossible to reach herd immunity with the current vaccines.
The problem today is young adults, those in their 30's and younger. These supposedly educated people are the reason for our insane increase in cases. Take the shot. You are to blame for the increase in cases, hospitalization and deaths. There is absolutely no reason to close the economy down again to protect a group of people who are just stupid and refuse to take the shot. The vaccine is readily available and easy to get. Cut off all government funds to anyone who refuses to take the shot. The rest of us should not have to suffer for their intentional stupidity. We, our kids and grandchildren should not have to pay for their stupidity. TAKE THE SHOT. WASH YOUR HANDS AND STAY HOME IF SICK.
From what I have seen Disney seems to listen to the CDC primarily. Once they have issued guidance within a few days Disney has modified their policies.
Per last night with Lester Holt on NBC, Walensky when asked "So the CDC is not recommending fully vaccinated people should mask up in indoor settings?" Her response, "NO we are not".
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...ing-vaccination-rate-and-schools-116850757956
Per last night with Lester Holt on NBC, Walensky when asked "So the CDC is not recommending fully vaccinated people should mask up in indoor settings?" Her response, "NO we are not".
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...ing-vaccination-rate-and-schools-116850757956
lazyboy97o
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Vaccines are not a force field. They don’t prevent the virus from entering your body or from replicating. They teach your immune system how to fight it when it gets in you.
DisneyFan32
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I'm scared CDC will do change guidelines for NJ/NY by fall.
correcaminos
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Until enough time has passed that immunity for all is greater.
Honestly I really don't need no cases. I need cases to be like a bad cold or better for the vast majority. However the vaccines are doing great to be fair. We are working on different boosters if needed.
Our hurdle is not the vaccines. It's people not wanting to be vaccinated.
I'm still far more convinced it will eventually be okay. How long depends on how quickly we can vaccinate all people.
No we can’t get everyone vaccinated within a month.
Doesn’t matter have much vaccine and infrastructure you have if people refuse to take it.
I agree with this. But the longer it takes to get everyone vaccinated, the bigger the window for things to get much worse.
Certainly, if we got 97%+ of people vaccinated, while we might not reach herd immunity, we probably would have the virus well enough contained to deal with it.
We celebrated our success a bit too early. Most of us will not have the will to go back to any mitigation, though it is being done in some locales and in other countries. What we really should do -- and should have done weeks ago -- Essentially enforced vaccine passports. While I'd never force the needle into anyone's arm, the vaccine should be a prerequisite for any person to hold a job in a public place, to travel, to enter a public venue like a restaurant, theater or theme park.
Israel is at 57.6% fully vaxed, UK is at 52.9%, the US is only at 48.3. But the bigger issue, US was ahead of the UK just a few weeks ago... UK is still rising at a good rate, Israel is starting to rise again as they just authorized 12+, while the US has flattened out. Most of Europe was way being the US, but at current trajectories, most European nations will surpass the US soon.
I had hoped a surge like Delta would encourage those with vaccine hesitancy to go get vaccinated. Instead, the anti-vaxers are actually hardening their position, they are digging in, they are getting political support. You have political leaders joining the anti-Vax crowd. You even have States pulling back from vaccine efforts. (I posted something recently, about Tennessee pulling BACK from all childhood vaccination).
So reading the comments of the more general public about the LA county mask mandate the stupidity is magnifying.
The most common comment I’m reading is
“This is proof that the vaccines do not work since we need to wear masks again. Don’t bother taking it.”
If this is where these people are intellectually we are not going to be able to change their mind.
Another interesting trend is the overwhelming majority of people who identified as vaccinated said they would not follow recommendations and would go so far as to drive to the next county to shop mask free.
This is going to turn into a giant mess.
The most common comment I’m reading is
“This is proof that the vaccines do not work since we need to wear masks again. Don’t bother taking it.”
If this is where these people are intellectually we are not going to be able to change their mind.
Another interesting trend is the overwhelming majority of people who identified as vaccinated said they would not follow recommendations and would go so far as to drive to the next county to shop mask free.
This is going to turn into a giant mess.
The French Rush For Vaccines After They're Told They'll Need Them To Go To Cafes
On Monday, 926,000 people booked their first dose through the online medical platform Doctolib — "an absolute record," the site says.
www.npr.org
So this is what happens when a leader gets out the stick.
danlb_2000
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Yes, it doesn't give perfect protection for getting sick, but it reduces you chance of serious illness and death to a level that is probably lower then a lot of other common causes of illness.
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