Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Figgy1]

The hospitalization and ICU data is available. According to the CDC, as of 7/10 in the entire state of FL, there were 601 COVID ICU patients. This represents less than 10% of ICU beds. I call BS on a nurse being "deployed" to Jacksonville due to ICUs filling up. Most likely just a hospital that is understaffed in the ICU and needs nurses.


I completely disagree with your opinion. What the FL law has done is reign in cities and counties that were having endless restrictions that were not necessary based on statistics. From day one we were told by Dr. Fauci that the reason for mitigation measures was to flatten the curve so that the healthcare system was not overwhelmed. As long as the healthcare system isn't being overwhelmed there is no justification for mandated mitigations.

Beds do not equate to available staff.

 

[seascape]

There's a whole segment of the population THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE CHOICE YET.

The unvaccinated are giving the virus time to adapt to target that demographic.

ETA: You know...the one that really loves WDW and can't get vaccinated yet.

The unvaccinated have made a choice, but It effects others who for medical reasons are unable to be vaccinated. The people who refuse the vaccine are the selfish ones, not those under 12. Take the vaccine and make life better for others or be selfish but admit you don't care about anyone but yourself. DO THE RIGHT THING. GET VACCINATED, WASH YOUR HANDS AND STAY HOME IF YOU ARE SICK.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Unvaccinated can transmit to kids who catch without symptoms or serious effects and then transmit to others, making the likelihood of an eventual variant that overrides the vaccine greater.

Hi choir! I hope your day is going well.

 

[crawale]

Case number case numbers.

What a useless number at this point.

Hospitalization rates and deaths are the number.

If the hospitals are overwhelmed we will need to mitigate again.

Otherwise just figure out how many unvaccinated Americans are left.

That is the amount of “case numbers” coming at some point in the future.

If someone is not vaccinated they will catch covid.

This is never going away it will be with us forever.

Unless we want to mitigate forever we need to accept that people who choose not to protect themselves are at a high level of risk. People who choose to protect themselves are at a greatly reduced risk level.

The risk will always be there.

Totally agree. My grandsons all had COVID with no symptoms - had to be tested because their parents had COVID. Son had 24 hour flu. Daughter in law's symptoms lasted a week like a bad flu case. No one was vaccinated. No one ever talks about those who have had COVID and survived which must be millions. They now have natural immunity plus they probably had a very mild case. If all the mitigation worked then why did U.K. which locked down masked to the extreme have so many deaths? None of the ridiculous measure employed have worked. If you are going to get it you will, if you are going to die - you will die of something eventually. Recovery is 99.99% so we just need to live our lives, get out in the fresh air and make the most of whatever time we have rather than acting insane.

 

[crawale]

So

The unvaccinated have made a choice, but It effects others who for medical reasons are unable to be vaccinated. The people who refuse the vaccine are the selfish ones, not those under 12. Take the vaccine and make life better for others or be selfish but admit you don't care about anyone but yourself. DO THE RIGHT THING. GET VACCINATED, WASH YOUR HANDS AND STAY HOME IF YOU ARE SICK.

if there is one person who cannot take the vaccine the rest of the population must protect them? No! People have the choice and should continue to have the choice to be vaccinated or not. People can mask, stay indoors, do whatever or live their lives. This is the first time in history that well people have had to be quarantined to protect sick people.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Tennessee is up 250% over last week.

Did you see photos of downtown Nashville over the 4th of July? It looked insane.

We're not through this yet, thanks to people who won't get vaccinated.

That’s part of problem but if everyone would continue to wear masks and distance in crowded and indoor public settings it would help as well.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Totally agree. My grandsons all had COVID with no symptoms - had to be tested because their parents had COVID. Son had 24 hour flu. Daughter in law's symptoms lasted a week like a bad flu case. No one was vaccinated. No one ever talks about those who have had COVID and survived which must be millions. They now have natural immunity plus they probably had a very mild case. If all the mitigation worked then why did U.K. which locked down masked to the extreme have so many deaths? None of the ridiculous measure employed have worked. If you are going to get it you will, if you are going to die - you will die of something eventually. Recovery is 99.99% so we just need to live our lives, get out in the fresh air and make the most of whatever time we have rather than acting insane.

If 99.9% of Covid-19 cases recovered, that would only mean around 3,300 people would have died.
Worldwide, according to the WHO, 97% recover, but that still translates to more than 3 million deaths.

Where do you get the 99.99% ?
If that were really the case, do you really think we would have all gone through all of this?

 

[Trauma]

Do you realize just how small the virus is? Masking is like trying to stop a marble with a chain linked fence. You go ahead and mask if you like. However you do not have the right to expect others to do the same.

So I’m not sure if you even read anything I posted.

First of all masks have proven effective Im not going to waste time arguing that with you.

What I was saying is with the new Delta strain we don’t know if masks have lost some efficacy in the same manner the vaccine did.

My stance on this has been to follow the science.

So if you are vaccinated you can return to normal life not wearing a mask except special situations where still required like a hospital.

If you are not vaccinated wear your freaking mask on the way to the pharmacy to get your shot.

 

[Jrb1979]

I am out after this. I hate the attitude of "I'm vaccinated and I don't care anymore". Many in here are too busy .

All of this could have been avoided if they put in place systems to make sure those not vaccinated wear a mask. IMO all places of large gatherings should have required proof of vaccination to enter. IMO you don't want to be vaccinated you pay the consequences

 

[Trauma]

Did you see photos of downtown Nashville over the 4th of July? It looked insane.



That’s part of problem but if everyone would continue to wear masks and distance in crowded and indoor public settings it would help as well.

I’m trying to figure out if you are 2 different people with the same screen name?

You keep pushing for masks and social distancing but yesterday you where spreading anti Vax nonsense.

 

[DisneyCane]

If 99.9% of Covid-19 cases recovered, that would only mean around 3,300 people would have died.
Worldwide, according to the WHO, 97% recover, but that still translates to more than 3 million deaths.

Where do you get the 99.99% ?
If that were really the case, do you really think we would have all gone through all of this?

There are many more infections than cases. That's why. The number probably isn't 99.99%, it's almost certainly over 99%.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m trying to figure out if you are 2 different people with the same screen name?

You keep pushing for masks and social distancing but yesterday you where spreading anti Vax nonsense.

Just me, myself and I. Which one would you like to respond?

I’m not anti-vax - no matter what they would certainly appear to be working right now! I do think there are some legit concerns about the vaccines and how they have been “expedited” - I don’t think there is any evil plot. But the FDA is supposedly going to add a second warning to the J&J vaccine beyond the blood clots. Will the fda add a warning about the heart issues on Pfizer after the study? Lots of questions.

Asking those questions shouldn’t make someone anti-vax.

And even IF I was anti vax why would anti-vax and pro mask have to be polar opposites?

 

[lisa12000]

For the person who said that children are less likely to get the virus - try telling that to our schools and colleges abd young adults up to 18 where there are an average of 6000 cases reported a day in the uk - yes they’re not severe, yes they’re not in hospital mainly (although my friends child with crohns is in hospital with covid alongside PIMS) but you know what it’s meant they missed their last weeks at primary school/ secondary school/, they didn’t take their exams, they haven’t had proms or trips out, they’re constantly isolating - don’t dismiss the indirect effects of covid spread on children, irs much more than that virus itself - and I’m one who advocates us opening up next week as we need to really, but doesn’t mean I’m not worried for those age groups.

We have hit a brick wall with vaccinations now - I just can’t see any other way of slowing and reversing our spread than vaccinating fhe 12-17 year olds otherwise their educating is going to be trashed next year as well

 

[DisneyCane]

Unvaccinated can transmit to kids who catch without symptoms or serious effects and then transmit to others, making the likelihood of an eventual variant that overrides the vaccine greater.

Hi choir! I hope your day is going well.

There have been studies done that have determined that spread from people who never develop symptoms isn't really a thing. The asymptomatic spread turned out to be a lot more pre-symptomatic spread. Other studies conclude that spread from children to adults doesn't happen at a high rate either.

The COVID version of chicken little is the constant speculation about a future variant that might evade the vaccines.

 

[LaughingGravy]

There have been studies done that have determined that spread from people who never develop symptoms isn't really a thing. The asymptomatic spread turned out to be a lot more pre-symptomatic spread. Other studies conclude that spread from children to adults doesn't happen at a high rate either.

The COVID version of chicken little is the constant speculation about a future variant that might evade the vaccines.

Please provide a source for ONE study indicating that spread from people who never developed symptoms (meaning they had it) isn't really a thing. Just one. Please?
"There have been studies done"= "People have said.."

Tell you what...I will trade. Here is a link to a real study with sources indicating otherwise. Please provide an equivalent for your case.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/full article/2774707

 

[Heppenheimer]

Do you realize just how small the virus is? Masking is like trying to stop a marble with a chain linked fence. You go ahead and mask if you like. However you do not have the right to expect others to do the same.

The virus mostly travels within respiratory droplets, which are certainly large enough to be caught in a standard medical mask. So, no, its more like trying to stop a tennis ball with a chain linked fence.

 

[Andrew C]

I am out after this. I hate the attitude of "I'm vaccinated and I don't care anymore". Many in here are too busy .

Nah. I don't think you are really out. And it is not that people don't care. It is that they are not interesting in continuing mitigation efforts because the sillies refuse to get vaccinated. And yes, I am out to events. Just went to a county festival over the weekend and it was tons of fun. As a vaccinated person, going out isn't going to change the path we are on anyways. That is up to the unvaccinated people and the virus...

All of this could have been avoided if they put in place systems to make sure those not vaccinated wear a mask. IMO all places of large gatherings should have required proof of vaccination to enter. IMO you don't want to be vaccinated you pay the consequences

That is all fine and well, until you actually sit down and think of the practicality of putting something like this in place for an extremely diverse population of 350 million people (not to mention the diverse businesses) with opinions all over the place from state to sate, county to county, urban to rural....

 

[DisneyCane]

Please provide a source for ONE study indicating that spread from people who never developed symptoms (meaning they had it) isn't really a thing. Just one. Please?
"There have been studies done"= "People have said.."

They were posted in this thread a few months ago. If I have time I'll dig them up. There were statements by Dr. Birx and/or Fauci about it. I can't remember which.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Nah. I don't think you are really out. And it is not that people don't care. It is that they are not interesting in continuing mitigation efforts because the sillies refuse to get vaccinated. And yes, I am out to events. Just went to a county festival over the weekend and it was tons of fun.


That is all fine and well, until you actually sit down and think of the practicality of putting something like this in place for an extremely diverse population of 350 million people (not to mention the diverse businesses) with opinions all over the place from state to sate, county to county, urban to rural....

Part of the problem is that some of those opinions aren't based on fact...they're based on lies that are purposely being perpetuated by people who know better.

 

[Andrew C]

Part of the problem is that some of those opinions aren't based on fact...they're based on lies that are purposely being perpetuated by people who know better.

And what am I to do about that....other than to tell people that I know who are unvaccinated that they should really get vaccinated? (really, everyone I know is vaccinated...)